PSA: 191 full rocker mantras for sale in slc https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2111112l%22%7D
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PSA: 191 full rocker mantras for sale in slc https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2111112l%22%7D
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Hmmmm, interesting.
I'm around 5'10" and between 205 and 220 in a season. Charging the firm on these up to maybe 4-10" of fresh.
As a FOG, I never come off the reco line. Doubt I'd do that. I put a ski through it's flexing paces so I tend to steer clear of boards with multi mounts. Try to keep it to one set, so testing out fore/aft placement has rarely appealed to me.
Not set in stone tho...
Keep in mind that I also have a 295-mm BSL, which may also be a factor. Mounted on the line, the 191 M102 feels like I cannot get forward enough to really get that ski to bend into a turn the way I like. First ski in a long while that felt really long in the shovel. Coincidentally, I also have a 191 K108. It has a wider shovel, but isn’t a challenging to get to bend into a turn. Same Warden 13 demos on both skis. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djongo Unchained
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Just heard that Revolt 114 is coming. Eder was on the Blister Review podcast and mentioned it, 114mm waist, directional charger. Got my rep to confirm. Must have been what the pics last winter of Mac and Eder were testing.
@bandit - yeah, my bsl is 326 so that may well be a factor. I prefer to ski the shovel but use the tails pretty extensively.
I kinda felt the k108 hand flexed pretty damn stiff but expect the m102 to be a classic big mountain charger. Volkl has a long history of building skis popular with the jh locals. As stiff or more than most gs models imo.
I wouldn't call the revolt line "directional" at all... is the 114 going to have a more traditional mount point? Because the rest of the revolt line is very progressive on recommended mount point.Quote:
Originally Posted by naedward81
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Ya I heard the reference to the 114 in the Eder Blister podcast. Wondering about that “directional” comment as well. The Revolt 104 and 121 getting mounted soon. Going -2cm on the 180cm 104 (-3.75cm) and -1cm on the 184cm 121 (-3.75cm). It would surprise me if a Revolt 114 was way further back than say -6cm? If so, why call it a Revolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
Here’s hoping it’s a 181cm at -5cm!
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That’s what I am hoping for.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I mounted my Revolt 121s -2.5 from rec. They skied awesome from that.
Am I crazy or are the rocker lines deeper in the mantra/secret than the katana?
I bought my wife some secret 102 and I was just staring at them next to my katana and I swear the secret has more rocker. Less taper, similar camber, stiffer, but more rocker in the narrower ski... which is a little surprising.
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M6 vs Mantra 102 for daily driver in CO? Rarely ski groomers, mostly tight trees and bumps and billygoating. Have other skis for deeper pow.
I skied the M6 last season for 4 days in Andermatt. I loved it but felt it only had one weak spot, I wanted it to go faster.
So I bought a pair of M102's as I feel they're gonna be a tad more stable at speed.
The M6 in a 184 would be my go to for what you're talking about.
I demo'd the 191 and feel that would be overkill in the tight spots. YMMV
Sooth Ski measurements say Katana has deeper rocker lines than M6 Mantra in 184s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I only demoed both for a couple runs apiece, but I feel like the M6 would be better for your purposes. The M102 felt a little more locked in and it was stiffer so a bit more of a handful in very tight spots. In my opinion you should consider fully rockered Volkls (M4 Mantra, 100eight, V-Werks Katana, old Katanas).Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Thought these were worth sharing. Was in the middle of trying to convince the wife last night that full price VWerks Katanas were a long term value decision (thanks for the idea Benneke!), when these popped up on Marketplace. Minty 2015 (?) 191s for $500 CDN. Gentleman said his father skied them 3 times, and honestly, had he cleaned the rust off the edges from storage, he could have convinced me they'd never seen snow. Gonna pull the Jesters and mount a Duke PT 12 for Spearhead slack duty. Christmas came early.
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Surprised (in a very good way) at how little splay these have. These tick all the boxes (traditional mount, 2000ish grams, 190ish length, 25m+ R), but been afraid of going reverse. No more. Amped to get on these. Thanks all for the assist.
Edit to add: 189.5 straight pull, bump @ -14, 2042/2054 grams, 25.9m R stated.
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Nice, thanks for the input guys. I'm 6'2" and 190lbs, but I was 220 the last few seasons. Never had a hard time flexing skis, but that might be different now with my new found skinniness. I don't expect it to be a problem though. haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djongo Unchained
Lately I've been on some 4frnt MSP99s that are OK, but I never loved them till I beat them up a bit. Definitely want something a little burlier in the flex category. My other skis are ON3P BGs.
I guess I can't go wrong either way though.
Fucking jealous. You wanna sell those clamps?! Or don’t sell the clamps and I would do inserts on them for the dukes and the jesters and use your pt heel piece and a jester toe when you aren’t touring on them. I do that on my nocta. Those toe pieces are expensive to break.
Thanks Joey. Not sure what I'm going to do with the clamps yet. Plan was to stick to a 5 clamp rule to reduce quiver bloat, but these kinda fell in my lap, soo...they're currently on the line so have to overanalyze that first and take it from there. Felt like I got away with something nefarious when I got home with em. Pretty rad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Congrats on dropping 30 lbs. I'm only down 15, but curious to see how it translates on snow. Haven't skied the M6 so cant help the comparison, but the 191 M102 on the line, felt a bit cumbersome at very slow speeds in tight spots as compared to say 189 B97s or 191 K108s (both at +1). They're manageable, but stiff (almost CMD 118 stiff) and heavy swing weight; sized down though could be a different story. Freight trains on the groom, and I had no problem bending em when up to speed. I'd also like to try em forward, cause chances are I was doing it wrong. 6'2, 200#. Good winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Those carbon topsheets are so beautiful, and so difficult to find in good shape. Nice job Sylvan!
Thanks for the assist! Been fun reading all the VWerks K mini threads over the last year, and realizing the following these have generated over the last 8 (?) years from numerous mags. Serendipitous for sure as I missed out on a sale pair in the Spring for twice the price, but I'll take it! Need to ski these first, but already starting the Katana 112 research, haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Ok so different lengths, but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
Below is my 177 k108 and my wife's new 170 secret 102.
The bases are taped where they naturally touch... I'm just keeping the bases touching to show it and the tape is a good visual indicator.
The rocker lines are definitely deeper on the secret (/mantra) in this case.
The secret have been raised up so the bindings are in roughly the same place for comparison.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a5754abc57.jpg
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Sorry for the shit photo but I can email full res
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Saturday afternoon “what shall I mount on these?” musings…
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Your rec mount from center on just one of those will be same distance as three of my mounts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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Very nice lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
You should mount them for a 27.5.
All katana shootout review coming soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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Probably should do that. I’ve owned four pairs of the metal 112-mm waist Katanas (1st year 190, 2nd year 183, rockered 190, and now rockered 184). I had barons on the V-Werks but ditched those a few years back. Thought about Shifts but leaning towards Duke PT’s. Will probably mount some demos on the Green Ninja’s so my kid can ski them, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
The K108 is my favorite, though. [emoji6]
This is telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I talk to some friend who are skiers but not as keen as I am and I keep trying to tell them how good the skis are these days.
Nostalgia is fun but modern designs are sooooo good.
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They are all great skis and definitely share the same DNA, even the V-Werks. The full rocker design is so good on a day when one is hanging off-piste on the steep and deep. They are just a smidge too wide, have a pretty large turn radius, and are “meh” on groomers to be a resort charger for most people.
For most resort days, the K108 is a much more fun, versatile, yet as competent charger (as you already know). It’s definitely the best resort-friendly Katana. It’s funny that the Katana was originally thought of as a fat Mantra. The K108 is the model that best meets that description.
The V-Werks is probably the most appropriate application of the original Katana design for the way Pow get chewed up so quickly these days. Use it as a 50/50 touring rig. It’s great in Pow and handles pretty well once things get tracked out. However, it’s got a reasonable weight for the up. The original owner of the metal Katanas put Barons on them. That right there shows you how much things have changed over the past decade plus.
Just skied my wife's new 170cm secret 102.
On the icy WROD they were noticeably more precise than my longer 177 K108... and even in the 170 they felt great, surprisingly not "short feeling".
And I did a test where I leaned way back to see if the heels would punish that... nope... release easily even leaning way back. I was testing this to make sure my wife won't get owned by these since she's more of an intermediate skier and they are quite stiff.
I'm now super confident she can handle them and I might even keep taking them out myself... very fun!
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M102's were never demanding, just heavy so if you ski bad you're overdoing it on the effort side and wear out faster. Though if you size up and aren't a strong person i could see them running away from you if you really fuck up.
Yeah makes sense... I feel the same way about my katana. I was worried about them being too much but they are definitely not and my wife even skied them one full day last year and had zero problems even in the 177.
She commented that one of the things that she liked about my katana was the increased weight... so she talked me into getting her the secret instead of the blaze.
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Reading this and Katana 108 threads made me want to get some? Anyone selling M102 or K108 in 191?
Edit: found one!
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Day 6 had me on my M102 191's for the first time this season on pretty good cruising conditions. Sometimes you forget in the off-season, but wow, what a ski! Awesome and scary at the same time. Something about being on a ski that has no speed limit, at least one that I will never find. They remind me so much of my old blue/orange cochise 193's I used to ride. Two thumbs up for sure.
Nice! Looking forward to your thoughts and impressions after you get out on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robik
The 193 OG Cochise comparison is likely to get some attention here. I’ve only spent one day on the 191 but will agree that they felt like they had no speed limit. I’m impressed by those who can manage and enjoy these beasts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Pabst
I'm with my little snowboarder today and despite the conditions and speed limitations of my kiddo it's definitely not demanding or clunky at slower speeds. It definitely wants to run and be on more open terrain. In the last few years I've been experimenting with more progressively mounted skis, tighter radius etc. but this one feels so intuitive and reliable that I'm thinking of letting go the majority of my quiver, get Blaze 106 for touring as it seems to be very close to K108 in it's profile but lighter and be done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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^^^ you are correct that the blaze 106 skis remarkably similar to the katana. I have both and both have been super intuitive from the first run.
The blaze has a little more rocker and a little less camber and I liked mine a little further forward (+1.5 to +2cm) than my katanas (+1cm).
I played with mount points on both skis with demo bindings but now have g3 zed on the blaze for touring and pivot 15 on the katana for resort.
The blaze is light but not ultralight... but a great compromise between weight and performance... if you don't mind a couple hundred more grams on the up than some other skis, and you like the katana you will definitely be happy with the blaze.
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I'm pretty happy with my current touring setup: Line Vision 108 189/ATK FR14/Tecnica ZGPT but could see Blaze as more stable. Definitely stoked with K108!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-10s-and-skins
that’s a solid deal.