90% of people buy boots that are too stiff

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Originally Posted by uglymoney

I'm all ears though.

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Oh for the love of god. Please don't encourage him.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Oh for the love of god. Please don't encourage him.

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But...but..what if dolphin turns heel her? Stiff pun intended.

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Originally Posted by uglymoney

Same bindings. Canting is stock. Adjusting canting is beyond my technical area of expertise and we are talking about a U12 racer. I'm all ears though.

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Canting is not for and aft its lateral IE if someone is under or over edged.

Ramping is for and aft.

If I had to guess the Tecnica are too upright in either ramp or forward lean compared the old boot and shimming the heel of the binding between the binding and the ski will fix it. probably 2mm again this is guess, if it was my student I would test with a video of the skier and then put a 2mm shim between the heel of the boot and binding. Ski on easish terrain just to test because this can affect the binding release.

Note - an internal heel lift is not the same thing , yes it will raise the heel up but it will also open up the ankle. Internal heel lift should only be used for limited dorsiflexion and generally the binding/boot system should be adjusted(typically lifting toes) to keep the lower leg coming out of the boot at the current angle.

If you are sincerely want help send me a PM. Short BSL are more affect by ramp than longer BSL. If you have video of the skier it will make it more clear to me what is going on. Also how is the shell fit?

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Oh for the love of god. Please don't encourage him.

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I dont see you trying to help him.......

Do you know how boot alignment works?

Wow, this forum gets a lot of replies. I wasn't trolling just sharing my experience.

Another thing common boot fitting wisdom gets wrong IMO is: your toes should brush up against the front of the boot when standing straight up and pull away when flexing forward. Granted this is just a guideline, it's really the rest of the fit that matters, but fuck that. If your toes brush against the front of the boot then when you land a big air with your weight to the rear at all you'll smash your toes against the front of the boot. On my new boots that fit me excellent for an all day fit (not sized down, which I would only want for racing) my toes don't touch AT ALL. Of course you'll need to find a boot that fits the rest of your foot correctly and still has that much room in the toe box which may not be possible. But I'm really happy my new boots fit that way. They were the only ones I tried on that did.

Okay, now we know you’re trolling

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

I dont see you trying to help him.......

Do you know how boot alignment works?

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Thanks. Food for thought for sure. I still have the old boots to compare. Definitely will take a look.

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

Checking in, dickwaving goes in this thread right?

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Yes.

Unrelated: I find it hard to really drive my custom 215cm Wrenagades with Pivot 27s hard in anything softer than a 170 flex

Betelgeuse? Is that you?!?

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

The best skiing solution I've found (thanks to LVS for the idea) is to run Lange plugs (which have a lot of rebound) with an expert booster tight on the liner (under the shell) and then the stock power strap over the shell but not super tight. The booster provides a nice elastic rebound and keeps things snug to your shin, while the power strap helps avoid blowing through the full flex of the boot.

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This is super interesting. What does the back of the cuff look like? Do you stack the straps and use the same rivets?

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Originally Posted by SuperFun

Wow, this forum gets a lot of replies. I wasn't trolling just sharing my experience.

Another thing common boot fitting wisdom gets wrong IMO is: your toes should brush up against the front of the boot when standing straight up and pull away when flexing forward. Granted this is just a guideline, it's really the rest of the fit that matters, but fuck that. If your toes brush against the front of the boot then when you land a big air with your weight to the rear at all you'll smash your toes against the front of the boot. On my new boots that fit me excellent for an all day fit (not sized down, which I would only want for racing) my toes don't touch AT ALL. Of course you'll need to find a boot that fits the rest of your foot correctly and still has that much room in the toe box which may not be possible. But I'm really happy my new boots fit that way. They were the only ones I tried on that did.

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they probably say that ^^ cuz most people buy boots that are too big

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

Okay, now we know you’re trolling

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$20 says his next post tells us we really should be buckling our lower two buckles first.

Friend, one of the best skiers on the hill, doesn’t even buckle his lower buckles on one boot cuz they’re broken. For him, his fit is so dialed, he doesn’t mess with them and doesn’t feel the need.

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Originally Posted by ntblanks

This is super interesting. What does the back of the cuff look like? Do you stack the straps and use the same rivets?

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Yep, just add the booster under the stock strap using the same rivet. Can post a photo if it's helpful.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Friend, one of the best skiers on the hill, doesn’t even buckle his lower buckles on one boot cuz they’re broken. For him, his fit is so dialed, he doesn’t mess with them and doesn’t feel the need.

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Same (not that I'm one of the best skiers on the hill), haven't touched my lower buckles in ages. But that doesn't mean my fit is dialed -- they're a smidge too narrow and probably can't make any more room. So it's a double-edge sword, that one. But all the boots I've found were just way too stiff, I had an unreasonable amount of instep volume. So I think that's part of it.

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Originally Posted by Pseudonym

Just saying.... Wikifeet Mikaela... fap fap fap

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How does she not have black toenails?

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Originally Posted by old goat

How does she not have black toenails?

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She stays out of the backseat, and doesn't have excess volume in the toebox of her boots.

Black toenails are from your toes having enough room to move that they repeatedly smack the fronts/tops of your shells. Okay, I suppose poor heel/ankle hold could lead to the same kind of impact, but you get the point.

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Originally Posted by old goat

How does she not have black toenails?

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Because her boots fit?

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

If you think Vail Mountain can handle 55,000 visits in one day, your smoking crack! The daily max is less than HALF of that, more like 38% of that number.

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Hey it's just a number that I pulled off the interwebs that they themselves published.

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

So you're saying we actually DO want the red ones? But seriously, I had no idea. Can you elaborate?

A few years back I went down to a 120 flex thinking they would be a little more forgiving on drops and for touring. Once I broke them in I came to realize that wasn't true at all and they were making me work harder, and eventually felt a bit sloppy. Went back to 130 and the difference in being able to ski more with my skeleton than my muscles was noticeable immediately. It was also a reminder that as much as breaking in new boots sucks, I probably need to do it more often. It's just hard to do once they feel dialed in and comfortable.

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Listen to the blister podcasts on boots with onenerdykid, they’re crazy informative. In one of them he talks about how the colored plastic pellets can affect flex - not that it matters to mere mortals, but studs like Hirscher could tell the difference between light red and dark red. Still not sure which of those colors is faster...


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Originally Posted by EWG

$20 says his next post tells us we really should be buckling our lower two buckles first.

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this post has it figured out.

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Originally Posted by PlayItLeo

Listen to the blister podcasts on boots with onenerdykid, they’re crazy informative. In one of them he talks about how the colored plastic pellets can affect flex - not that it matters to mere mortals, but studs like Hirscher could tell the difference between light red and dark red. Still not sure which of those colors is faster...

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You realize this is bullshit and based on no scientific studies? Boots are colored for branding purposes, so they can sell you the same shell next year for full price with a new colorway. Hirscher was probably wearing stiffer socks one day.

I want multi color boots. Red heels for a tight fit, green toe box for my fat metatarsal and a intermediate yellow instep. Maybe a gradient upper for progressive flex?

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Originally Posted by SuperFun

Another thing common boot fitting wisdom gets wrong IMO is: your toes should brush up against the front of the boot when standing straight up and pull away when flexing forward. Granted this is just a guideline, it's really the rest of the fit that matters, but fuck that. If your toes brush against the front of the boot then when you land a big air with your weight to the rear at all you'll smash your toes against the front of the boot. On my new boots that fit me excellent for an all day fit (not sized down, which I would only want for racing) my toes don't touch AT ALL. Of course you'll need to find a boot that fits the rest of your foot correctly and still has that much room in the toe box which may not be possible. But I'm really happy my new boots fit that way. They were the only ones I tried on that did.

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I actually agree with this. 12-13 years ago I was fitted this way and would cram my foot into a 25.5 for a "racer" fit, but I was constantly losing toenails. Finally said fuck it and went up a size and wished I had done so sooner. Especially since I have a high instep.

Daught, you’re a dope smoking hippy who wants an excuse to buy Rasta boots. Me too.

For the rest of you heathens, 90% of people who ski probably have more fun skiing than 10% of the skiers here fucking with one part of their gear or another all day.

Me, I’m fat, decent technique, little over average height with a couple, three hundred days on Salomon 120 flex boots. My feet have never been happier. I’m flexing through them a little sometimes. It’s okay. They fit awesome and I don’t want to deal with new boots so I don’t. I guess they’ll break someday and I will be sad.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Daught, you’re a dope smoking hippy who wants an excuse to buy Rasta boots. Me too.

For the rest of you heathens, 90% of people who ski probably have more fun skiing than 10% of the skiers here fucking with one part of their gear or another all day.

Me, I’m fat, decent technique, little over average height with a couple, three hundred days on Salomon 120 flex boots. My feet have never been happier. I’m flexing through them a little sometimes. It’s okay. They fit awesome and I don’t want to deal with new boots so I don’t. I guess they’ll break someday and I will be sad.

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I spent about 2 week dialling in my Alignment in 2012.....I havent touched it once since then and just set up all my skis with the same ramp angle. Once you get something figured out you just have it figured it out. No reason to keep messing with it.

I just get the red ones...always.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

I just get the red ones...always.

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Simpleton.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Simpleton.

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don't knock what works

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Originally Posted by stealurface831

don't knock what works

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I bet he's part of the 90% of skiers here who has more fun than the 90% of people who ski with too stiff of boots. No knocking. People who use simpleton as an insult belong in the asshole thread in PR.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Friend, one of the best skiers on the hill, doesn’t even buckle his lower buckles on one boot cuz they’re broken. For him, his fit is so dialed, he doesn’t mess with them and doesn’t feel the need.

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I have a pair of FTs with the lower removed. Fit dialed, no problem.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Friend, one of the best skiers on the hill, doesn’t even buckle his lower buckles on one boot cuz they’re broken. For him, his fit is so dialed, he doesn’t mess with them and doesn’t feel the need.

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Wait...you guys buckle them? I thought those things were like for looks? Buncha amateurs.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Friend, one of the best skiers on the hill, doesn’t even buckle his lower buckles on one boot cuz they’re broken. For him, his fit is so dialed, he doesn’t mess with them and doesn’t feel the need.

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Complete bullshit until you/him posts a video of him skiing and a certain someone can evaluate!

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

You realize this is bullshit and based on no scientific studies? Boots are colored for branding purposes, so they can sell you the same shell next year for full price with a new colorway. Hirscher was probably wearing stiffer socks one day.

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100% not compete bullshit.. and most manufacturers have plenty of data to back it up

I'm 150 lbs and an advanced (not expert by any means) skier. I'm still learning to keep my boots flexed (Lange 140 Xt3) and it's a battle in the trees, bumps super steep stuff. But I think it's just a skill thing, because when I adjust I can flex them.. I think.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

You realize this is bullshit and based on no scientific studies? Boots are colored for branding purposes, so they can sell you the same shell next year for full price with a new colorway. Hirscher was probably wearing stiffer socks one day.

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If you had the same boot, injected in the exact same plastic, but the left one was black and the right one was red/white/yellow/whatever, and you left them sitting in the sun, which boot do you think would get softer, quicker?

That test aside, color affects the feel of the boot, but only to certain degree and 99.99% of the general skiing population don't feel it. There are racers who say they can totally feel the difference between certain colors and their test times show it (even when boots are lacquered and they can't see it).

What also affects the feel of the boot is the percentage of color added to the plastic mixture and I would say this is more tangible than which color is being tested. A normal amount of color (called master badge) is around 2-3%. If I reduce that down to 0.5% or up to 6%, this certainly causes the plastic to behave differently.

There's a reason our race boots don't change color year to year and have remained constant for at about 10 years now. Yes, Atomic's brand color is red, but we don't change the shade of it. The athletes like where it currently is and changing it is a huge ordeal.

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Originally Posted by TeleBeaver

Pretty sure we all "mostly try to ski powder" and I'm also pretty sure that we all mostly DON'T ski powder. .

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Speak for yourself.

Edit: to jump onto the radness of the last posts. I can definitely feel the color of my boots. I wear comfortable colors only.

i skis with my boots in walk mode sometimes
and still slays it
but im a 10%er

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Simpleton.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

People who use simpleton as an insult belong in the asshole thread in PR.

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Need a link? I'll see ya in there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

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Originally Posted by skifishbum

and still slays it
but im a 10%er

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The weed thread is one thread further.

Just to give your dick waving a direction.
And after this thread I can picture timber ridge in his chateau conversing with the mundane and telling his world economic forum friends about the needs of the average Joe in the evening.

I regularly clap my 130's.