It’s a bullshit law that rules science out of a process that is supposed to be ran by biologists from the Idaho State Fish and Game. I respect the job IDFG does. Our legislature has been taking small jabs at them for a number of years.
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It’s a bullshit law that rules science out of a process that is supposed to be ran by biologists from the Idaho State Fish and Game. I respect the job IDFG does. Our legislature has been taking small jabs at them for a number of years.
Thanks mang. Appreciate the local context.
Believe it or not, this is one area I’d appreciate hearing from one James Piotrowski.
Believe it or not I truly know Pio would have voted the high road on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
This. And the worst part is it would set precedent in Idaho for legislative game management. Idaho is one of only a few states left that is entirely managed by F&G. Those fuckers used wolves as a patsy to get this thing going, knowing people are too dumb to recognize the precedent it sets when there are wolves involved. I have nothing against wolf hunting when done legally and within management boundaries, but this is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Best part is it's basically shitty hunters asking the government to help them hunt elk by reducing wolves. I'm a shitty archery hunter but I don't blame wolves for my struggles. And the few ranchers I know don't give a shit about wolves.
Like I said earlier, worst-case scenario for wolves is too many wolves. The article stated there are 1,500 wolves in Idaho, and the state's management plan (created in 2002) calls for 150. Obviously if the population had been effectively managed prior to now, such a drastic 90% reduction would not be on the table. But by not keeping numbers in check, it has resulted in significant public backlash among hunters and ranchers and others directly affected by wolves.
Kind of doubt the extreme reduction will ever come to pass though. We'll see.
What's really incredible is this bill goes against our state constitution and will absolutely end up in court. The insulting part of it all is the 2002 management plan never spells out the number 150. It does spell out breeding pairs and management tactics for above and below the target. The plan also outlines that the objectives are to keep enough of a population to stay off the ESA. It also defines who manages the population-IDFG and who would create a wolf management committee if needed-IDFG and USDA in coordination. I doubt any of these legislators have actually read the management plan and are contradicting about 95% of it with this bill. On top of that, Idaho's elk population has been steady and hitting target numbers for many years.
Bunch of fucking assholes.
Not that anyone looks at state law... and really, if Idaho botches our management plan, the Feds take back over and the hunting of wolves will be over per the plan and most likely wolves will go back on the ESA. Not real big picture thinkers around these parts.Quote:
36-103. WILDLIFE PROPERTY OF STATE — PRESERVATION. (a) Wildlife Policy. All wildlife, including all wild animals, wild birds, and fish, within the state of Idaho, is hereby declared to be the property of the state of Idaho. It shall be preserved, protected, perpetuated, and managed. It shall be only captured or taken at such times or places, under such conditions, or by such means, or in such manner, as will preserve, protect, and perpetuate such wildlife, and provide for the citizens of this state and, as by law permitted to others, continued supplies of such wildlife for hunting, fishing and trapping.
(b) Commission to Administer Policy. Because conditions are changing and in changing affect the preservation, protection, and perpetuation of Idaho wildlife, the methods and means of administering and carrying out the state’s policy must be flexible and dependent on the ascertainment of facts which from time to time exist and fix the needs for regulation and control of fishing, hunting, trapping, and other activity relating to wildlife, and because it is inconvenient and impractical for the legislature of the state of Idaho to administer such policy, it shall be the authority, power and duty of the fish and game commission to administer and carry out the policy of the state in accordance with the provisions of the Idaho fish and game code. The commission is not authorized to change such policy but only to administer it.
One of the wolves being tracked in California has made it down and over to slo county
Seems the bone of contention is how many wolves is “too many” and lots of the pro-cull crowd want not many wolves around.
Sure science is a thing but setting population number objectives based in part on estimated human conflict (as Wisconsin did) is inherently political in its choice of how much conflict is “ok”.
Legislative overrule of Fish and Game management for population reduction is dumb... just like Colorado's ballot initiative mandating "reintroduction" of wolves.
I support hunting with numbers managed by scientists, but leave it to the pros.
Pretty obvious though right? Our politicians are flat out liars and pieces of shit. This wolf bill isn’t even the most outrageous and hypocritical bill passed this year by a long shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
House Majorty Leader Moyle said wolves are decimating the elk population. RMEF is generally against wolves and had this to say on 2020 elk in Idaho.
https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/ida...nting-outlook/
Maybe our legislators don’t want to settle for gold.Quote:
Fish and Game is currently meeting or exceeding its population goals for bull elk in 17 of 22 elk zones, and 16 out of 22 for cow elk, Ward said. The elk harvest in 2019 was down from the prior year by about 8 percent, but it was still good for fourteenth highest of all time, and fifth highest in the past decade. The statewide elk harvest has exceeded 20,000 annually for the last six years, which has not happened since the all-time high harvests between 1988-96.
“We are in the second Golden Age of Idaho elk hunting,” Ward said.
He would have overturned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
If only this approach could be codified or put in an easy to read pamphlet to hand out to all these guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Are you asking legislators to actually research something before passing a law about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
GOLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
This page makes me hate some people even more...
I would like to hunt a few of those fucks.
The Idaho legislature is bat shit crazy looking to interfere w every facet of life. They want to usurp the professional responsibility from the education, f&g, and public health for a start.
They have also limited the public’s ability to initiate ballot initiatives.
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And it begins.
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/lo...3-c132e463dfe3
If this happens, IDFG will lose about a third of its fed funding. That third is about 15% or so of its overall budget.
Bunch of fucking amateurs running this state.
Hello California Comrad ! There is many places you can hunt rednecks in Idaho ! First you can take a look at this https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/idaho/ and then go to any red county listed most popular bar and announce your new "hunger games" plan to hunt rednecks. Don't forget to tell them you are from California ! It will add to your new popularity !Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
The same goes with Conundrum ! We all know he lives in the North End of Boise . A very diverse white neighborhood. The people who live in the North End are actually hated by most of the people in areas that aren't in the North End of Boise in the state of Idaho. If Liv2Ski wanted to talk shit about hunting humans in Conundrum's neighborhood it won't be a problem considering how diverse the 99% white rich liberal neighborhood the North End of Boise is. There is a reason Conundrum has plates that don't have 1A on them. Reason being everyone in Idaho hates Boise 1A people who travel in state to deep red areas and recreate. But the egotistical liberal Boise North Enders have plates that disguise themselves. Or so they think.
Everyone in Idaho hates Boise North End Liberals . Believe me I'm on the inside of the takeover of Idaho. To hopefully turn Boise into Portland and turn Idaho into California like Conundrum wants. I'm taking the long game Conundrum is just virtue signaling to his e frends on this washed up forum. I will make a change ! #RESIST
Hope you’re well Brett.
CHOOT EM
Wolves are rad... and they're good for the ecosystem... so here's your chance to stick up for them in Idaho. We may just be grasping at straws here, but why not tell IDFW what you think:
https://idfg.idaho.gov/form/public-s...o-wolf-seasons
Camper shoots, injures Idaho family’s dog after mistaking her for a wolf
Rob Kolb and his 16-year-old daughter, Piper, were backpacking at North Fork Lake in the Boulder Mountains with their Alaskan malamute, Suki, when the dog wandered to a nearby campsite. A camper there believed Suki was a wolf and fired three bullets from a handgun, striking the dog in the head and neck.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...er-for-a-wolf/
Go get em Idaho!
The irony of GOP governments micro managing so many aspects of the lives of their constituents after decades of lip service around small government is astounding. Not surprisingly we have similar shit here in Utah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeless Sinner
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Originally Posted by jmedslc
Yes, it's pathetic.
I am so fucking sick of idiots with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
JHFC?!?!? Where to even begin? Was this the guys first day…of ever being outside ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
The man woulda shit his pants if he saw a real wolf holy shit. In a twisted way, Good for the dog that the assailant was depending on Wally World ball ammo to defend himself against wildlife.
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I hope there was a man around to ram that guys pistol up his ass. Shoot my Malamute, one of us is going to die. I will never visit that fucked up state.
Uh...Why the fuck bring a dog backpacking in the first place? And why the fuck are you letting it get into other people's camp? Lots of dumbshit dog owners in the world. Unfortunately the dogs sometimes pay the price.
"The man reportedly told the Kolbs that he closed his eyes when pulling the trigger to shoot at Suki."Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
There’s a dumbfuck alright, the dumbfuck with the pistol he didn’t know how to use.
Imagine, after reading that story, the first thing you say is "who brings a dog camping?"Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Another TGR hot take that makes me question humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
From TFA:
"The man who shot Suki, whom the Kolbs declined to identify publicly, said he’d seen her running toward his dog and thought she was a wolf. He told Rob he fired a warning shot in the air before shooting twice at Suki with a .44. Once he saw Suki’s collar, he realized he’d made a grave mistake."
"“He did all the right things after the big wrong thing,” including paying for Suki’s vet bills, Rob said.
The group of men even offered to carry the 100-pound dog out of the backcountry, but she managed to hike 3.5 miles and more than 1,200 vertical feet out to the road.
The man who shot Suki drove the Kolb family to their vehicle, which was farther from the trailhead, and they raced back to Ketchum to get her medical attention. "
“The shooter feels really remorseful … I think we changed his life,”
OK so the idiot gun owner is in his own camp at night and sees this giant 100lbs dog closing on his lil fifi, shot first and asked questions later.
This coulda been prevented by the idiot big dog owner not letting his dog roam other campsites unsupervised in the middle of the night!
The dogs are the only innocents in this. Glad the dog is relatively minimally injured for getting hit with two rounds from a .44!
If I shot every rando large dog that ran up to me and or my dogs, I'd have shot a shit load of dogs. But I haven't, and, by some slim chance I guess, none of those were wolves either.
Seems like homie may have used poor judgement here... Not a whole lot of solo wolves roaming around campgrounds where multiple vehicles, families and dogs are present, IME.
The fucking article points out it was 8:30 in the morning
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Around 7:30 the next morning, Rob got up to use the bathroom. He noticed it was raining, so he returned to the tent for some more shut-eye. Suki, who’d left the tent with him, stayed outside.
About an hour later, Rob said in a phone interview, the Kolbs were awakened by a gunshot that was “crazy close.” Two more shots rang out in rapid succession.
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Originally Posted by dannynoonan
It was 3.5 miles from a trailhead, and it was raining so hard to say what kind of visibility.
Update story w pics.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...og-after-mist/
Sounds like the other campers were lucky that the dog took bullets to the head, and not the other campers.
Also, I was taught that as a responsible firearm user, you should be 100% certain of what you were shooting at (and what was beyond it). That right there, would not have passed the old "is that fat ass dog-lookin thing in a populated campground a wolf or not" test.
These two things can be true at the same time:
1) if you own a dog, especially a big one like a malamute, you need to control your animal and be aware of its location
2) firing into the air and closing your eyes while shooting at a dog (because you suspect it may be a wolf) is gross fire arm negligence. this person shouldn't carry
With Idaho's fear mongering to wolves and the right saying the answer to most things is having a gun, welp this is a predictable situation. I dunno if the malamute was approaching or chasing the shooter's dog, but I can understand that guys concern. For real - who doesn't want to protect their own dog? Recognize that any dog owner knows that 99 out of 100 of these encounters are benign. If I shot every wondering camp dog over the life of my last dog, there'd be body pile a 1000 deep. Completely unnecessary.
Mixing ignorance, fear and weapons is a bad combo - being educated and trained in exercising judgement is where you need to put your capital. Buying the weapon is the easy part - that's the beginning of your work.
This story could be titled “When Idiots Collide”
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I threatened that Wolf fuck from the beavers with a .44. Took the Dragons +2.5 and made a little dough.
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Originally Posted by dannynoonan
Why do you insist that it was a "populated campground"?
How do you know what was down range from the dog?
I get the fact that you want to make the shooter look as bad as possible, but making shit up to fit your thinking is a waste of time.