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Doubt you'd be happy in the XT3 140s. If you're skiing plug boots, and dobermans no less, you'll be pretty hard pressed for any touring boot getting close to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Closest plug boot I've been in is the OG Salomon ghost/falcon shell. Can say that the xt3 140 isn't there. It is a good crossover boot though.
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I know they won’t ski close to an actual plug. Would never ski inbounds. Just wondering if they’re a boot that can tour and doesn’t totally suck in regards to both fit and ski feel? Currently in Salomon MTN lab with is crammed with all sorts of passing in the heel ankle to make them skiable. But can feel the forefoot of the boot expand when I flex into them really hard. Also have scarpa rs130. That fucker is narrower than a Doberman plug in the toe and bigger than a five gallon bucket in the heel ankle.
I ski a ZB, but with grinding for width from the styloid forward along with a small 1st met punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
The xt3 fits me without any punching for width, but the heel pocket is significantly wider than the ZB. They fit me okay and for sure a hell of a lot better than the MTN lab which feels like a bucket in the heel in comparison.
They do bow out a bit which is annoying, but I am tall with a mini foot and good ankle range so I can do that to most boots.
Definitely worth a try, btw I also like how the zero g fits me. The hoji pro could've been cool, but the heel pocket is huge.
You ski a dobie 150 or 130?
Anyone ski the xt3 140 and the nordica promachine 130, and can comment on downhill performance for a 200 pounder?
Currently in 160 tuned down to a 140. But I’ve skied 130 and 150 (tuned down). I must have bought up and used all the 150/160 flex boots. I used to be able to buy them for peanuts, but the supply has gone dry. Bought 2 pairs of the civilian Doberman for a song, thinking maybe a more comfort boot might be nice. Skied 2 days, felt like a drunk beater. ZB seems like it’ll work out well and I’ve got a great deal on them. I’m down to the zero g and the xt3, or if I can find an old tlt5 to build a Frankenboot out of. Worried the zero g is too light. Hard to try boots on right now due to COVID and the fact I feel bad going in somewhere right now knowing I won’t buy in a shop. Used to use the backcountry brick and mortar store in slc for such window shopping but they’re not allowing people in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
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It always amazes me to see people bitch about taking ski boots off on this forum... you sound like my mother.
There are always compromises. Figure out how to deal with it. Leave the liner on your foot and pull it out of the shell if you think it’s hard to take off. What’s more important? Fit and performance or Ease of entry and exit?
Data point: I don’t think the heel of the zero g is as tight as Lange free tour LV green ones), Vulcans or Lange rx130lvs. I’ve got tour wraps in the zgtp and will likely need some kind of padding to lock things down. I suspect I’d have preferred the xtd when it comes to fitting my narrow heel, low volume foot/ankle but I got the zgtps super cheap and will make them work.
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Good info and my deal on Lange is significantly better
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I don’t know if it’s the boot. I just pulled my stock Lange liner and did a tour wrap MV and I lost heel lock that my tongue liner had. But my feet are a ton warmer. So now after doing that I’m thinking the move is to just run two liners. My Lange liner for long tours and then use the intuition at the mtn on the lifts. I’m also wishing I had just done a regular power wrap now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyski
Good point. Don’t love tongue liners so haven’t tried stock zgtp but have my doubts given that they’re thinner than tour wrap. Will give it a shot
Does your mom wear size 13 street shoes but cram her foot into an 11.5 ski boot while having limited dorsiflexion and multiple other issues that make any and all boots painful to get into? Then she has a right to complain just like everyone else. And yeah, we deal with it, for the performance aspect, but that doesn’t mean we can’t bitch about it. These boots are more difficult to get in and out of for me than the 20 or so other boots I’ve owned, so they are on that side of the spectrum. My comments are to give that perspective to other people considering the boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Geez, it was just an observation. No need to get your panties all wadded up... And I did state I really like how they ski and fit once on so, there's that. Lighten up, Francis.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Is she in a Hawx Ultra XTD?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Anyone have a line on gripwalk soles for the XTs? Can't seem to find them anywhere.
Which XT? There are three GripWalk soles - regular, non-tech XT, XT Free/XT3 with pins, XT Free without arch pad plus a WTR sole for the 16-17 XT Freetour (no GripWalk for that year).Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
This is probably why my dumbass can't figure out what I need. This is the actual photo of my boot sole.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
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Check your PM's . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
If they are just gong to sit in a drawer, I'l take your alpine soles that you remove. PM me if you willing to mail them to me. I burn through a bunch of these each season.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
How true, and with arthritis in my first metatarsal, big toe, especially painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
I switched to hoji free, and it's easy to get in and out and it skis better, stiffer and a good liner.
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Have you personally tried this with the XT3? The liner catches on the rubber overlapping the walk mode. Happens with both intuitions and leather lace-up from my plug boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Personally I find the XT3 harder to get on/off than my plug boots (provided they're both reasonably warm).
When i have the langes and slept in my car, like for Shasta, i would take the liners out, then stick a hot nalgene in the shell, for 10 minutes, then they were ready to put in. Otherwise, impossible.
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So, yeah, the heel hold is better with the stock liner, but man alive the stock liner is annoying in comfort and skiability in other ways. You know how it feels when hot shower water hits sunburned skin? That's how about 30% of my feet felt after a long day in the stock liner. Doesn't happen w/tour wraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyski
Strange. Sounds just like the Lange and the liners in them. Great heel hold but cold and not comfortable. Tour wrap is the opposite. Toasty warm and comfy, but heel hold sucks. I was scouring the interwebs and saw someone talking about using a power wrap for touring instead because there is more volume around the ankle to start in the power wrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyski
I toured this morning in my stock liners, and then skied in my tour wraps this afternoon and it was amazing.....
But my XT3 tour pros will be here tomorrow I believe so hopefully there is a decent liner in those.
Day 1 on these today. Got the LV. Coming from XTfree pro LV. Both with the same Zipfits.
This is a much better boot. Walks significantly better. Skis more powerful, especially rearward support. Also it’s blue.
I’m already having the issue some mentioned of it flicking itself out of walk mode to ski mode en walking. Any solutions yet?? Thx.
Loosen your upper cuff. That’s all I’ve found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
So is the walk-mode being modified for next season? Or will it be the exact same boot?
same same as of this moment, I'd bet all the boots for 2022 are made alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Put hand warmers between the overlaps of the lower cuff, right at the bend of the ankle. Boots will go on like butter. When done, put the hand warmers in a ziplock bag and squish out all the air. The hand warmers can be reused for a week with this technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
Have you noticed a difference in fit between these and the xt free lv?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Back from 7 days in the Eastern Sierras and just wanted to say that I love this boot - by far the best AT boot I've ever skied. It skis like a real boot, and I'll gladly schlep the extra weight up hill for the downhill performance it delivers.
I also use zipfits and the walk mechanism reverting back to ski mode is really a non-issue as long as you have the upper cuff loose (buckle flipped open with the bail on the touring slot and power/booster strap completely loose). I thought I would miss the ability to have the cuff buckled yet still in walk mode (e.g. Dynafit Vulcan with a bungee knot to block the buckle from going in the hole), but it never felt loose or sloppy in technical terrain.
FWIW I had a pair of XT free LV's when they first came out and they didn't seem to feel 'exactly' like the same fit as my RS/RX's, but these do.
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Originally Posted by YoEddy
This is super interesting. I have the Lange rx 130 lv and it’s by far the best alpine boot I’ve used and fits perfectly.
Also have the xt free lv pro model (the version right before the xt3 came out). To me they seem to fit the same. I’m not a fan of the griamid lower shell.
Are you sure the xt3 fits the same as the Lange rx? If so, I’m 100% buying the pro model and using my zipfits and a booster strap. Thanks very much for the info.
Yes they fit the same. Yes they rip. Don’t buy the pro model if you are going to put a booster and different liner in them. Zero difference from the 130 and it will save ya a few bucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD12
Walk mode mechanism still sucks. Works better in my new xt3 tour pro. But that shell is definitely a 99mm. It’s not quite as wide as my xt3 100 I have, but it’s wider then the LV 97mm.
And if you are a 28.5 and interested shoot me a pm. There are a brand new pair in the box sitting upstairs that could be a good deal for someone.
28.5 I am! Lmk how much. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Yup - fit exactly the same as my RX130 and RS140 (all 3 LV). And, I agree the RX130 is the best free ski boot I've ever had - before then I always just used my race boots, but I cant those at 1.5°, which I learned as I get older is too aggro for steep technical terrain.
I don't know why but the XT free LV felt slightly different to me (narrower toe box), but that said I got rid of them because they skied for shit and had no rear cuff, and not because of the slightly different fit. Maybe it was just in my head because I disliked how they skied so much.
Alright, I've got about 5-6 days in an XT3 Tour Pro... and kinda have some questions. Wondering if it's a boot that should have it's own thread, given the amount of discussion that's happened in this thread and the 21/22 Gear Rumors one. I don't wanna create threads for the sake of it, also don't wanna cunt up an existing one if not appropriate.
Grabbed a pair of XT3lv on clearance. Fits pretty good out of the box, as GregL noted, it feels a bit wider lasted than the RXlv. Will need the navicular and big toe punched out and should be good to go.
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hey guys. I've been skiing a pair XT3 130s (100mm last) this season, put 20ish days on them in bounds, and another 5 days touring. bought with custom footbeds and using the stock liners. I've been dealing with pain and swelling on my lower shin, just above the ankle (on one leg only). I think it's the "corner" where the lower shell turns up and overlaps with the bottom of the cuff, where there seems to be a rivet covered by rubber. first time I went back to the bootfitter, we added heel cups as I thought maybe my foot was moving a bit inside the shell, but that hasn't fixed the issue. at first I could pretty much tough it out and thought it might resolve as the boots/liner broke in, but as the season has gone on it's gotten worse and right now after 3 days in a row of touring my leg is quite swollen in the spot where it's irritated, and it feels like this issue is not going away. anyone else deal with this and have suggestions? I'm obviously going back to my bootfitter but just curious if others have experienced this.
Yes. My left foot is having what sounds to be the exact same issue. I put about 35-40 days on mine with a few days of touring as part of that and am now done for the season but developed the problem and it didn't go away. In fact, I have a pretty pronounced bump on the front of the shin, just above the ankle joint that's not going away. I'm probably going to have my doctor take a look at it as it seems to be like a cyst. I also noticed that my Achilles has some soreness and my heel tingles and hurts when I walk 5 miles or so. I want to wait to see if it resolves itself but after about two weeks, swelling is still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardboiled
So what’s the consensus? Is the 130 and the 140 sharing the same liner with different colors? Or- is the Lange website accurate in calling the 130 a “Full Liner” and the 140 a “Race Liner”?
Pretty adamant claims in this thread that the 130 and 140 are the same boot minus spoiler and power strap.
Lange claims quite clearly that they have different liners.
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Definitely different liners. I can't say whether the 140 liner provides 10 more stiffy points though because i use zipfits anyway.
FWIW after skiing the spring in the XT3 I can say they are my favorite AT boots to date. I actually forgot what boot I was in a few times (although also due in part to the new Duke PT clamps).