Neighbors...

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Originally Posted by isisis

Thanks for the great advice...on his "website," he does have some specifics on numbers of event guests & hours of noise (150 guests/event noise up until 11PM), but nothing about limiting the noise or the frequency or numbers of people attending his shooting range/classes. Hopefully we can make things a little more complicated for him by bringing up additional issues & questions at the hearing. And if it all does happen, we will definitely monitor his activities, in case we need to call the authorities.

Cross-posted from the "Mice in the house" thread: "We had a pack rat living in our hay shed. Those things are disgusting! But instead of killing it, we live-trapped it & let it loose at the end of the driveway of some distant neighbors that we haven't been real fond of lately.����"



Thanks, that is somewhat encouraging. I am just glad we found out about his idea via the neighborhood grapevine, because I seriously think he would have just gone ahead with his plans without going through the CUP process. Trust me, that is the type of person he is. I mean, he has already published a website FFS. :frown:
I will do additional research on exactly what type of "nuisance" this would pose (Public? Private?) & how it applies to my locality. While I do live in a pretty rural area, there will definitely be several dozen nearby residents affected, not to mention any Public that wants to recreate safely. I suppose when/if it happens, we will consult with someone well-versed in the local laws, but again, I live in a pretty regulation-free area. This is the downside of "freedom," I suppose... :rolleyes:

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Post up the website address.


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Originally Posted by isisis

what type of "nuisance" this would pose

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Put vanilla before your handle

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Originally Posted by wannabe

What about the increase in traffic to his house? Is it a county road or private, either way, is the roadway suited for that increase?
Does a turn lane or traffic study need to happen?

This all happened in my town this year from a potential campground/ raft company

All the neighbors that live on the rural road that the traffic would drive on made a petition, set up in town and had anyone that wanted to sign it.

Made a big deal that the owners are from the city, and want to change the dynamics of the area.

Anyway the neighbors made such a noise that the project is on hold.

Maybe not dead but the owners have to jump through a ton of hoops now.

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I really appreciate all the suggestions!
I doubt my neighbor reads this forum but I don't want a target on my back! :eek: Anyway, I'll risk giving this info: I live in the Gem State & definitely not in one of "blue" counties. The politicians & the locals here all favor the 2nd amendment & private property rights. If this proposal were taking place in the "blue" county right next door, it would probably be a non-starter.

Wannabe, we live on a dead-end road. County-maintained up to his place, private after his place. Very little traffic other than the neighbors, & occasional recreating public, hunters etc. There is a decent-sized subdivision over the hill with strict CC&Rs. I am trying to spread the word, but several neighbors are afraid of confrontation. This guy is without a doubt a "QAnon" Theory Subscriber; he actually built a block tower with portholes on his property! :eek: He could make life very unpleasant for all of us. :frown:

If you would like the link to the website, I would be happy to send it to you, please pm me.

^I was going to suggest getting out before any craziness goes down and let the new owners deal with it, but a block tower with portholes sounds like it has already begun.

step 1 - get bigger guns.....

step 2 - fire them enough to annoy him...

step 3 - negotiate from a position of strength...










step 5 , profit.....

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Originally Posted by SKIP IN7RO

^I was going to suggest getting out before any craziness goes down and let the new owners deal with it, but a block tower with portholes sounds like it has already begun.

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Well, in all fairness, he claimed the block tower was for "watching wildlife..." :rolleyes:

Geebus, I've lived in almost every corner of BC in more than a half dozen small towns, and I've never encountered crazy the likes of which are being described here.




I suppose that could mean I am that neighbour....

Nah, unpossible.

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Originally Posted by isisis

... I live in the Gem State & definitely not in one of "blue" counties. ...

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“‘blue’ counties”? There’s more than one?!?

;)

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Originally Posted by BCMtnHound

Geebus, I've lived in almost every corner of BC in more than a half dozen small towns, and I've never encountered crazy the likes of which are being described here.




I suppose that could mean I am that neighbour....

Nah, unpossible.

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yeah but its America eh

Acquaintance of ours in the country--a developer had an easement across their property and wanted to use it to mine gravel for the nearby development he was planning. They fought it with the county and the developer lost. He made one mistake--the proposed development was called Mohammed Acres.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

“‘blue’ counties”? There’s more than one?!?

;)

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The tides are turning. Great state of Ada and the recent influx has us pushing 4-5 counties depending on which topic you’re inquiring about.

Learned a bit about isisis’s situation and it really is a bummer. It would be nice to see more places like that left alone.

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Originally Posted by DeathRaven

The neighbor who takes care of their yard and finally got sick of the leaves from the slacker nextdoor blowing on their clean lawn. More likely that this is passive aggressive behavior than friendly.

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Hey man, I've been meaning to ask you: how's that event venue/rifle range coming along?

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

“‘blue’ counties”? There’s more than one?!?

;)

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I was wondering about that too

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Originally Posted by isisis

I really appreciate all the suggestions!
I doubt my neighbor reads this forum but I don't want a target on my back! :eek:

If you would like the link to the website, I would be happy to send it to you, please pm me.

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Totally understand the reticence to confront that kind of person. Really unfortunate situation you found yourself in. At the same time, the guy has a right to earn a living within the laws and regulations of the area so i think the fairest way to go about handling the situation is to get together with your neighbors and draft up some limits (hours, # of guests, activities, etc) to his conditional use permit that you all can live with and present them to the guy and the County.

Last resort would be leak the website info and mags could make and then cancel reservations, and leave a google trail of stanky-ass reviews a mile long pretty easily. Think of how shit-talky this place gets during the summer and fall... now imagine if that could be channeled toward your cause.

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Originally Posted by isisis

<snip> County-maintained up to his place

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Have you discussed with him the obviously libtard nature of this sort of egregious socialism? :fmicon:

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Totally understand the reticence to confront that kind of person. Really unfortunate situation you found yourself in. At the same time, the guy has a right to earn a living within the laws and regulations of the area so i think the fairest way to go about handling the situation is to get together with your neighbors and draft up some limits (hours, # of guests, activities, etc) to his conditional use permit that you all can live with and present them to the guy and the County.

Last resort would be leak the website info and mags could make and then cancel reservations, and leave a google trail of stanky-ass reviews a mile long pretty easily. Think of how shit-talky this place gets during the summer and fall... now imagine if that could be channeled toward your cause.

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I'm sorry, but your last paragraph totally flips the coin and makes the maggot the asshole neighbor, not the guy trying to use his property in an entirely legal way currently.

I don’t know the laws in your state, but conditional use and special exceptions are rarely granted if there is a shred of meaningful opposition in PA where I live. Band together as neighbors and show up at the public meetings. Consider protecting your investment in your property by jointly hiring an attorney to channel your thoughts and present the most meaningful opposition. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

I'm sorry, but your last paragraph totally flips the coin and makes the maggot the asshole neighbor, not the guy trying to use his property in an entirely legal way currently.

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Usually 3 choices in a landuse dispute, to put broad categories on it. I've seen all 3 strategies employed, though rarely #3 and only when its gotten personal as its never the smart financial decision:

1) Work it out amicably, usually through a compromise (either agreed to, or mandated by a jurisdiction).
2) Resign your position and kill the project or move away. not worth the fight. C'est La Vie. Plenty o' Fish.
3) Out asshole the asshole. fight fire with fire and/or fight a war of attrition until the opposition gives up.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Totally understand the reticence to confront that kind of person. Really unfortunate situation you found yourself in. At the same time, the guy has a right to earn a living within the laws and regulations of the area so i think the fairest way to go about handling the situation is to get together with your neighbors and draft up some limits (hours, # of guests, activities, etc) to his conditional use permit that you all can live with and present them to the guy and the County.

Last resort would be leak the website info and mags could make and then cancel reservations, and leave a google trail of stanky-ass reviews a mile long pretty easily. Think of how shit-talky this place gets during the summer and fall... now imagine if that could be channeled toward your cause.

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Thanks, I appreciate the input. He absolutely does have the right to earn a living, I get that. Given previous encounters, & the fact that his actions to this point have not followed the local laws & regulations (what little there are), I am not optimistic about compromise...but we will be group-minded & work towards the goal of resolving things peacefully. And I'll keep your "last resort" in my back pocket (nuking from orbit is probably not an option):biggrin:

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Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

I don’t know the laws in your state, but conditional use and special exceptions are rarely granted if there is a shred of meaningful opposition in PA where I live. Band together as neighbors and show up at the public meetings. Consider protecting your investment in your property by jointly hiring an attorney to channel your thoughts and present the most meaningful opposition. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Right, guys a gun nut, don't want to turn this around into the squeaky wheel GETTING greased.

I live between two hot to trot recently divorced women.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

I'm sorry, but your last paragraph totally flips the coin and makes the maggot the asshole neighbor, not the guy trying to use his property in an entirely legal way currently.

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Yeah, thanks, all joking aside, that really isn't my style. Releasing a pack rat at the end of his driveway is the extent of my mischief & that plan will probably literally backfire because he will probably use that for target practice! :D

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

I live between two hot to trot recently divorced women.

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Pictures !!!!

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Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

I don’t know the laws in your state, but conditional use and special exceptions are rarely granted if there is a shred of meaningful opposition in PA where I live. Band together as neighbors and show up at the public meetings. Consider protecting your investment in your property by jointly hiring an attorney to channel your thoughts and present the most meaningful opposition. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Thanks...yeah...YOOOGE difference between PA & where I live. :rolleyes: But thanks!

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Originally Posted by riser3

Right, guys a gun nut, don't want to turn this around into the squeaky wheel GETTING greased.

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I laffed

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Originally Posted by muted

For my front yard I usually wait for the inevitable wind storm that blows everything almost perfectly to my neighbors yards.

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Annnnddddd that inevitable wind storm was last night. My front lawn is looking good!

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Originally Posted by fatnslow

Pictures !!!!

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"Hi Erin, would you mind if I took your picture for a forum I'm on?"

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

3) Out asshole the asshole. fight fire with fire and/or fight a war of attrition until the opposition gives up.

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Idaho needs a really huge Jam band/ hippie/metal/hip hop festival venue. With multiple stages, and camping for 15,000. How big is your property? Because he would LOVE that shit.

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Originally Posted by rideit

Idaho needs a really huge Jam band/ hippie/metal/hip hop festival venue. With multiple stages, and camping for 15,000. How big is your property? Because he would LOVE that shit.

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Gathering of the Juggalos 2021!

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Gathering of the Juggalos 2021!

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ICP!!!

A lot of juggalos would probably go over to his place in the morning to shoot semi-automatics until the music starts...might be a win-win!

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Originally Posted by isisis

Thanks...yeah...YOOOGE difference between PA & where I live. :rolleyes: But thanks!

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If there are enough land use regulations to require a CUP, the land use code should list conditions that need to be met for the county to approve the CUP. Usually one of these conditions is that no adverse impacts to surrounding properties would result from the use that would not otherwise exist from the allowed use (res/ag). See if you can find these conditions for approval in the land use code.

Like you said, the code might not be too developed in this regard but worth looking into before or after releasing pack rats.

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Originally Posted by isisis

Thanks...yeah...YOOOGE difference between PA & where I live. :rolleyes: But thanks!

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I've had, and watched a fair share of neighbor issues living in the red part of NYS. But with you living in Redoubt right now, a cautious, quiet and legal approach sounds like the way to go. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

I've had, and watched a fair share of neighbor issues living in the red part of NYS. But with you living in Redoubt right now, a cautious, quiet and legal approach sounds like the way to go. Good luck.

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Absolutely, & thank you everyone! I plan to work within the system/process. What's both scary & frustrating about this situation is that this neighbor is not the type of person to do that & the local politics are currently in his favor.
I'll continue to do research, quietly spread the word with the neighbors & community, & if it comes down to a CUP hearing, perhaps consult with a lawyer before-hand. So, anyway...stay tuned (or not).
Carry on with more (hopefully amusing & harmless) neighbor stories!

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Originally Posted by isisis

Thanks...yeah...YOOOGE difference between PA & where I live. :rolleyes: But thanks!

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Ha, you ever been to rural PA?



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Idaho Blackie vs the Aryan Nation, as told by U Utah Phillips

Seems like a common complaint is light coming in your window. Buy black out curtains. They worked for us.

I was thinking...can you still rent those kleig lights?
Because it would be fun to set those on a sensor, and have them aimed for when their car comes in the driveway...maybe one with a bat-man logo

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Originally Posted by isisis

Absolutely, & thank you everyone! I plan to work within the system/process. What's both scary & frustrating about this situation is that this neighbor is not the type of person to do that & the local politics are currently in his favor.
I'll continue to do research, quietly spread the word with the neighbors & community, & if it comes down to a CUP hearing, perhaps consult with a lawyer before-hand. So, anyway...stay tuned (or not).
Carry on with more (hopefully amusing & harmless) neighbor stories!

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You might want to really reflect on what you just wrote. This does not sound fun. So you might need to ask yourself: should I sell?

I am sure there are plenty of reasons you like your spot, but couldn't you do better somewhere nearby, without a lunatic next door. Plus, some gun nut will pay top dollar for your place, seeing as it's adjacent to a bad ass shooting range.

Seems like your best case scenario if you stay put is the sound of high caliber ammo and living next to a guy who puts you on edge.
Worst case scenario is he launches his business and you get near constant sound of high caliber ammo and some truly terrible wedding music wafting to your place (the only thing worse than Smashmouth is a rural Idaho band that does Smashmouth covers).

Also, going the legal route to challenge his permit will not yield good results. He will know you are involved and he will point his sociopathy straight towards you.


As quoted from unthread, from the mouth of a cop (to paraphrase): "Sometimes the best option is to move"

I seriously question just how much demand there is to hold a wedding at a shooting range, or vice versa. This might be a non-problem outside of the guy shooting his own guns.

Which if its just the guns, good luck making that a non-conforming use out in the county in Idaho. I'd seriously consider what others are saying and sell before the business is actually permitted.