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I tried to get it half closed, but even that's too much. Weird, because in store they fit really well. Hoping a thinner foot bed will do the trick as it sounds like it did for youQuote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
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@TheArbez, this occasionally happens to me but not very often. For me, the yellow flap, which is supposed to go underneath the upper black cuff, gets out from under the upper cuff and the upper cuff edge starts digging into the yellow. I fell this is a classic case of Sportiva trying to maximize ROM/minimize weight and cutting the tolerances too close. Another couple mm of height on the yellow wing and I bet it would stay where it's supposed to be. This usually happens on longer tours in the spring so I don't know if temp has any factor or not.
I also wonder if calf size has anything to do with it. I have chicken legs so my calf doesn't really "open" the shell that much. My completely untested theory is that larger calves will open the shell more and allow the overlapping plastics plastic to not overlap more often (which causes this problem, I think). How big are your calves? Another way this could happen would be if you're pushing the rearward ROM which also opens up the shell - also an untested theory.
If you can't make it work for you (and the yellow is not completely destroyed), shoot me a PM. I'm looking for a backup pair of 27 shells in case my tongues break again.
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Originally Posted by TheArbez
I can confirm a few things here- larger calves or thicker liners make this worse. Also, it happens at maximum forward flex when walking, not rearward flex, oddly. A bit more yellow plastic would solve it completely for sure. I have debated trying to fuse something on there as i use Intuitions and have big calves, but haven’t toyed with it yet.
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Phatty and Riff, I very much agree with your observations. If the yellow plastic was just slightly higher, it would be much more accommodating of larger legs/calves. I find this to be pretty surprising, as I would describe my feet/legs as pretty low volume (Riff I have no idea how you run those ProTours in these boots).
I also found that if the spider buckle isn't at all buckled the shell is spread too wide and the upper cuff can slip in between other flaps quite easily. Definitely a major oversight on LaSpo's part.
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As alluded to earlier, I will be selling my Skorpiuses. They're in pretty sweet condition, and I wish I could make them work for me - unfortunately I think the navicular/instep volume just isn't quite there for my foot.
I've got ProTours or brand new stock liners for the boot (or you can have both). Thinking $275 with ProTours and $300 with the stock liners.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...11c38f292c.jpg
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I'm wondering if anyone can contribute some sizing advice on these.
I'm looking to replace a pair of Tecnica Zero G Scouts which have been great to me, but are probably far to overkill a boot for the uphill/downhill ratio that I find myself doing and these look like they could fill that slot.
Unfortunately I'm not sure if these are even available in the country where I live to get to look at.
My Zero Gs are a 25/25.5 and have never felt like they've been too short, however everyone seems to be suggesting to size up in these which in some ways makes life easier because it look like this size is going to be even harder to track down.
Can anyone offer any fit advice from personal experience? I have a relatively narrow, low volume foot and worry the larger size might just be too roomy.
I played this exact game. 27.5 ZGT Scout is a damn near perfect fit. 27 Skorp is a little on the snug side, I can really feel it skiing mashed potatoes with a heavy pack and/or long days and I've lost a few nails to 'em. 28 Skorp was a little big, never got a great fit and it felt really floppy compared to the ZG. I think with the extra room the boot's stiffness fell off. I'm still rocking the 27, but wish there was a real 27.5. Oh well.
^same boat, except I haven't lost nails. I'm in the 27 and only notice on very long, flat tours. I do require a fair amount of stretching for width in the forefoot.The 28 just don't work for me. I bet you can make the 25s work for you.
I had a pair of 27 Fischer travers carbons which were MUCH shorter than the skorps, and those I could ski in, but couldn't make them really work.
Another data point here, I have zero gs and Gen 1 skorps but rarely ski the zero gs anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by random_watcher
Zero g is a 26.5 and is a pretty snug fit for a touring boot, like enough that I didn't like doing long days in them.
Skorpius is a 27.5 and is right on for length. I had to punch the hell out of it to fit my wide feet, and I can just barely get away with the low instep if I use a thin insole. The walk mode blows the zero g away and it is plenty stiff for the kind of skiing I do.
Gen2 skorpius is supposed to have a taller instep but I don't know if they also changed the width. I imagine the length hasn't changed.
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The Gen 2 feels like the same last albeit with a higher instep. Have those of you with Gen 2 experienced similar tongue failures to those which plagued Gen 1?
One of the reasons I love the Skorpius is they don’t skimp on length like a lot of other lightweight boots. I’m 27.5 in everything. Unlike a lot of other boots, the 275 has a liner with much more toe room than the 270 (at least in the first gen).
Little shameless preseason advert... I have a pair of brand new Skorpius 2.0 liners in 27.5 that I would love to move along. Tried to make the Skorpius work for me last spring and it just isn't the boot for me. $50 for the liners + shipping? I am super open to offers, so if you're in need get in touch.
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Same here, unused 26 liners, make an offer.
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The cuff pivots in my first gen Skorpius are getting sticky, especially in one boot where the ROM is noticeably impeded compared to the other. Is there any way to service them? Should I spray some kind of lubricant in there?
I’d be interested to know if something like Rock n Roll extreme chain lube would do the trick.
I had written Skorpius’s off b/c of the stated 102mm last, but I just got CRII’s in a 26.5. 1 Finger shell fit. Seems like the best fitting touring boot I’ve been in for my feet (in Solly Alpha Pro 130’s for resort skiing) A little pressure on the top of my right talus, but the tongue of the liner is pretty thick and I expect molding w/o any pads other than toe caps and insoles will really dial in the fit for me. Heel and ankle hold feels good to me already.
Sorta tricky to get on & off, but they are getting easier. The flex zone in the tongue seems like a weak point as others have pointed out. Seems like it’s not an issue for most which is encouraging.
I’m wondering once I wear out the stock liners, if I were to get zipfits if these shells would hold up to “world cup style” on/off?
Pretty sure this was the thread that early on established the fact that Skorp II had a more normal (ie avg height, not low height) in the instep area but otherwise fit the same as original Skorpius. Also this thread said the shell tongue issue was fixed in the II version. Some here asked about retrofitting the new tongue I believe.
For me the skorp II is the best bc boot I’ve owned or tried. Like the F1, the overall volume is lowish but not super low, and with zero modifications allowed me to do 8 hr tours comfortably. I’ve had no durability issues after 90+ days of use.
I tried some wet chain lube today, it helped for a few minutes then went back to sticky and annoying
I'm in the skorp II for my long days, and loving it so far. Only issue is that after 5+ hours I will get tenderness in the Achilles/top of heel area. I have never had this issue in a boot (other boots a zero g tour pro and Lange RS LV), and I would like to get it resolved. It is definitely not from heel slip; it feels more like someone tapped on that portion of my heel with a hammer for the entire time and I don't lose skin. I've never had heel spurs and don't know what that feels like, but I'm afraid that's what's happening. I haven't chatted with a bootfitter about it yet, but was curious if anyone else has had this come up in the Skorp and if they found a solution.
Cuff pivots - looks like a classic riveted setup. Years ago did a few of the B&D retrofit pivots on Dynafits, pending thickness, assembly, etc. it may work on these.
Thanks! $90 is steep but probably worth it. I reached out to La Sportiva warranty and I just got their package today, they just sent 2 rivets and spacers but no bushings, not sure if I want to start taking the boots apart without the bushing because that is probably what is worn? I reached out again, curious what they say.Quote:
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Have maybe 10 days on the CR II after 3ish seasons on the originals and have to say im not feeling these the same way. Hopefully it's just early season jitters and unbaked liners or something but the stance feels just a bit off. They're definitely stiffer and noticeably more powerful downhill, but not sure that's all that important to me. Wonder what change could induce this general feeling of unease? Hopefully it's just poor fitness!
I owned the old ZGTP and tried on the new one, all in 27.5, my usual size. I tried on the Skorpius II in the same (27.5) and it fit well as well, so I would just go for the same size.Quote:
Originally Posted by random_watcher
I just tried on the Skorpius II.
Even though I have a fairly tall instep, I had enough room in that spot, once I could get it on.
Fit was otherwise very similar to my Backland Pro, using the same (used), liner and insole. Both in 27.5, my usual size.
Height wasn’t really any taller, contrary to what I’d heard. It was stiffer forward lean, especially off the top, less of a progressive build. Part of that is also the worn out cuff pivots on my Backlands.
Walking I could feel the slightly higher friction, but it wasn’t like fighting against the boot, like in the Zero G Tour, it just had some more friction than the Backlands. Range of motion and freedom of motion was the same, ie excellent.
Weight for the shells was 25 grams more than the Backland Pro.
liner is so so. not the best, not the worst.
I think I will still go for the Crux Pro, being a fair bit taller, and a bit stiffer, but if I was going for an AT boot quiver, I’d strongly consider this for a light boot that walks great but is still supportive.