Factory is Grilamid & skis very ‘tin roof’ like.Quote:
Originally Posted by robnow
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Factory is Grilamid & skis very ‘tin roof’ like.Quote:
Originally Posted by robnow
PSA- I had some probs with my binding toes fitting. In looking at my Factory’s, AX120s & HDs. Each vintage has slight different Gripwalk soles. In the process of remedying this now.
I just got a pair; krypton pro 2’s fit me well in a 26.5 (a little roomy width wise) so I ordered some Lupo pro HD’s. I can’t manage to get my foot in the boot with the liner already in there but after stomping around in them for an hour last night they feel too roomy; I was in a lot of pain and the krypton twos felt too small for the first few days of skiing; these feel Comfy in the living room. I saw another poster was using the intuition dream low-volume. The dream medium volume or the pro tour look like good possibilities for me but I am hesitant to just order. Thanks for any input!
Yup same for me. 26.5 is my boot size. For my foot the stock liner that came with my Pro HDs was just too tight around my foot. Heal and toes was not an issue. The stock liner looks really nice and it sux that I can’t use it. Like I mentioned a LV Dreamliner solved my issue.
I had a similar issue with the GW heal on my HD Pro’s being too wide for my pivot heals. I had to shave the sides of the GW heal to fix the issue. I compared my Pro HD GW soles to my AX 120 and the new ones are wider for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
I'm very happy with my Lupo HD.
I didn't molded the liner to have more volume and best fit, but i'd like to have fingers more blocked.. Any suggestions?
you put them on your feet man...not hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamauchi
Yeah man..
But i arrived from Dobermann 150.
And i`m still dreaming that gloving effect =)
Toss your Dobie 150 liner in; ive used mine on a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamauchi
Saw that. Kinda a pain, I had to get same soles on my AX & HD as I use various skis with each.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatboy64
Pro Tour liner (size 27, medium... for a 26.5 Lupo Pro HD) feels TIGHT at first wear; I think it's going to work out well for me! Yay.
edit: 30 min into really trying them out I think I will forego heat and try them as is; feeling tight but I think will be nice after some break-in.
edit2: I've skied them for ~10hrs and they're feeling pretty good now after a shitty day one with numb toes. Maybe I would've been happy with the stock liner in a size 26? Anyway, I'm a happy camper; I can't decide if I like skiing these or my Krypton's better yay :)
Have people sized down for the Lupo HD? I usually ski a 26. Bought some Lupo 130c in 26 and they feel pretty big. 25 feels better.
Curious if other people have sized down with the HD? Probably going to buy the HD since most of my use will be in the resort with occasional side country. Nowhere near me has the HD in 26 and 25 in stock so will have to order online.
Has anyone had any luck sourcing some "P" tongues? Either through a rep or shop?
I thinking the B tongues in my Lupo Pro HD might be too stiff, and want to try out the P tongues. Feels somewhat harsh and not that damp. Ive been running B tongues in my Lupo SP and Krypton for years, but for some reason I think the Lupo Pro HD might have a stiffer cuff or is stiffer because of that little rubber horseshoe piece between the cuff and the clog.
I dont understand why Dalbello and other boot companies cant just do this:
https://fulltiltboots.com/en-us/c/pa...tegory=tongues
Just swap on the tongue from your old boot. Pop out the little metal bit on the top of the hole and it works just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
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I only have B tongues right now (even from my old boots), not P tongues. Looking for some P tongues to try out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnar_Shralp406
I saw that, I just meant maybe as an alternative/trial pop your old B tongues that you liked in your HD. I wish they made it easier to acquire new tongues.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
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Ah gotchya, interesting thought, thansk. Maybe the older B tongues are different. Would be worth trying out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnar_Shralp406
Still would like to try some P tongues though if anyone else has some ideas.
I currently ski the 26.5 Panterra ID 120. I like it, and I think it fits (3 boot fitters have worked on it, including Dale-boot now). I'm guessing it would be dumb to order one of the lupo's in the same size assuming they will be a good fit as well? Maybe I should just wait and pay full price in September when I can drive back to SLC for a good boot fitter. Looking to get my first touring boot.
Panterra is much wider than the Pro HD. The AX HD has a wider last and may be what you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by AZskibum
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Weird, the flex changes to 110 for the wider last model. I'm assuming that's going to ski quite a bit different than the HD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnar_Shralp406
Ya, my friend put his old AX 120 tongue on and says they ski great. So with a better tongue, it might be what you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by AZskibum
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In a recent Blister Deep Dive article for the Dynaft Hoji boot, they mentioned that the new Lupo Factory (gray color) came stock with "C" tongues, while the Lupo Pro HD comes with the "B" tongues. Can anyone with the new Lupo Factory confirm it comes stock with the C tongue?
Surprised to hear it came with C tongues, but it now kind of make sense considering how stiff the Lupo Pro HD feels compared to my old Lupos and Kryptons both with B tongues. Maybe the new design of the 130 Lupo (Factory and HD) is stiffer than the original Lupo. I think that plastic horseshoe piece behind the ankle between the cuff and the clog has something to do with it, others have thought the same.
And just found this on the Dalbello website, which now answers my own question haha So will post it here for future reference.
>> STIFF - Flex index - 120/130 : Strong flex and very quick smooth elastic rebound for high / Pro level skier
>> MEDIUM - Flex index - 100/120: Medium flex with gentle elastic smooth rebound for medium to strong skier
>> SOFT - Flex index - 85/100: Soft flex with forgiven smooth elastic rebound made specific for woman / light skier
B - STIFF FLEX: Lupo PRO HD, Krypton 130 ID, Il Moro
P - HARD FLEX: Lupo 130 C
C - MEDIUM FLEX: Lupo Factory (Carbon), Lupo AX 120, Lupo AX HD, Krypton 130 ID, Krypton 110 ID, Krypton AX 120 ID, Krypton AX 110, Chakra 105 ID
M - SOFT FLEX: Lupo AX 90, Lupo AX 105 W
D - SOFT FLEX: Chakra AX 90
spent the last 3 seasons in a lupo TI ID (lime green) with stiff orange tongues, powerwrap liner. Other than some heel lifts and baking the liner, I didnt have a whole lot more work done on them. Have about 100 days on them and liner is packed out. Some great deals on Lupo Pros or 130c online now. Make sense to pick up same size 27.5 online now? and see my bootfitter for some adjustments next season? Or wait to buy next years in store (or maybe get lucky and find some leftovers in house?)
Just picked up a pair of the Lupo AX HD and it looks like it's going to work out from a fit perspective. But when I was testing out the walk mode, I noticed a clicking sound that comes when I step forward (and shin is flexed forward). Can't figure out where it's coming from but it feels like either the boot board is moving/sliding or it's some other piece of plastic that is shifting and causing the sound. Feeling the shifting/clicking. at the heel/ankle location. Tried all walk permutations - with tongue and loosely buckled, no tongue and buckled, not buckled, etc. Anybody experience this?
Figured it out. It looks like the clicking sound is coming from the boot board. As I step through and my lead foot becomes my trailing foot, my heel lifts as I pressure my toes and this brings along the boot board. As it settles back in, it "snaps" back into place and clicks as it shifts into the cutouts at the bottom of the boot board. Hmmm... not sure how I feel about this as it could get annoying to always have that clicking sound when I'm try to walk with these boots.
Screw it down. Problem over.
Really liking the range of motion. Are people touring with tongues on and off? And with off, any tips on an efficient process. Seems overly fiddly to put the tongues back on and rebuckle.
Depends on length and weather for me.
If it is warm and sunny w/ minimal rush, I'll do it off 10/10. Sometimes, if we're meadow hopping, I'll just ski without the tongues.
If it's cold and windy, it depends on length. Under an hour? Keep em on. Over? Take em off.
Anyone have experience using the soft/padded boot boards from the Il Moro in the Lupo?
My old Kryptons came with both and I tremendously prefer the shock absorbing/dampening that the soft ones provide.
Would love to do the same for my Lupos. Any idea if the one's for the current Il Moro fit? or if they can be (relatively) easily modified to do?
My old ones are for the plug/mono sole Krypton or I'd use those....
Always tongues off for me. Once you do it a few times it's pretty quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheK12
I keep my tongues on a cheap carabiner on the side of my hip belt...it dramatically speeds up your transitions if you can avoid opening your pack.
Here's my process:
1. Flip over risers, stomp down heel to click in
2. Rip skins (while keeping skis on, takes a little practice at first but so much faster and minimizes icing issues)
3. Put skins inside jacket
4. Take tongues off carabiner
5. Bend over once and flip down walk lever, install tongue, buckle, crank power strap, and unlock toes
Nice! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dshack89
Anybody here have a 100 last foot able to ski these? I'm looking to replace my Panterra 120's with a boot I can do short tours in without killing downhill. I'm realizing that i'm swimming in my 26.5 Panterras width wise, with 2cm in the back. Also wondering if they are too still for a 155lb advanced skier who is working on getting more aggressive. The Lupo AX HD has been suggested earlier as an option, but i'm worried about the flex.
You realize the Pro HD and AX HD are very different fits, right? (But both are significantly lower volume than your current Panterra).Quote:
Originally Posted by AZskibum
Feet have different levels of compressibility, people define pain in different ways, and different skiers have different performance requirements, but the AX 100mm last is fairly roomy. I would guess any of the 98mm Lupos would be a better starting point, even if they may require a little shell work - that would include the Pro HD, 130 C, and Factory.
Normally I would say 155 lbs. is at the low end of the weight spectrum for an "advanced" skier "working" on improving in any of these 130 flex Lupos - is there a reason you are stuck on Dalbello?
Good reasons might include: You get them for free, you love how a 3-piece design skis, you have a tall instep and have trouble getting into some of the other boots in this class, you like a really upright stance . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
GregL, I appreciate your time on this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
I don't know enough to say much about upright or not, but I do ski a bit of park (just straight air jumps) so I was told that the upright stance is good for that. Maybe that's wrong.
I guess I don't have a reason to be married to Dalbello at all, honestly. There are things I like about my Dalbellos, but they are really my first serious pair of boots, so I have very little knowledge compared to many of you. I do want to prioritize downhill, and I keep hearing good things about that in the Lupo line.
The reason I was thinking I needed more flex was that as the day goes on, I find my self bucking to the max, cranking down on my booster strap, just to get more responsiveness out of my 120s, especially in heavy snow/not groomed snow.
I'm also considering the Cochise 130 since it's also in the same class.
What class are we talking about? 130 flex "tourable" boots with excellent downhill capabilities?
Everyone makes one. For next year there's the Atomic Hawx Ultra/Prime XTD, Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro/Cochise 130, Lange XT3 130/LV, Salomon Shift 130, Nordica Strider 130, Dalbello Lupo 130 C/Pro HD, Rossignol Alltrack Elite 130, K2 Mindbender 130, Roxa R3 130 Ti, Head Kore 1, Full Tilt Ascendant, Fischer Ranger Free 130, Scarpa Maestrale RS/XT, Dynafit Hoji Free, etc. Many of these boots come in a 120 flex version also.
I've never seen your foot, but some of these will be a better match for you than others. If you have fit issues, some will be easier for a bootfitter to remedy than others. In addition to stated last width, there is also toe box shape, midfoot and heel volume, instep height, cuff circumference, etc. - that's before you even consider the weight of the boot or the range of motion in the walk mode, or ramp/forward lean, or how well they ski compared to a pure alpine boot.
That's where well-stocked shops and experienced bootfitters come in, hopefully they'll both be back in the fall.
Bit the bullet and ordered Pro HDs. My lift served boots are 27.0 FT seths (sixth toe punch) from many years ago, still ski pretty well, and 26.0 Cochise 130s for touring. Of these two, the fit of the Cochises are better out of the box, but they ski a lot worse than the seths. Overlap boots just aren't for me. Last pair of overlaps I liked were Ghosts.
Also, the cochises don't jam too well with my 1st gen cast/sth setup with dyn toes, as in will not release at any DIN setting.
Sizewise, I ordered 26.5 Pro HDs, as the BSL is closer to 310mm than the 27.5, and I prefer not redrilling when I can help it. Obviously never tried them on.
Have a pair of Krypton branded powerwraps for lift served lying around, think I might be well served with just the lupos, as long as I can force a nice fit out of them.
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Would love to hear how those Lupos end up footing your boot.
Ghosts are my current resort boot, and fit great with a small punch for my interior right ankle.
Can’t try on boots right now. Hope to get to try boots this summer, but hoping to create a short list.
Curious about the Cochise as well. I swam in those when I tried them on. Compared to the Ghosts, they seemed huge inside.