Perfect bigotryQuote:
Originally Posted by wyeaster
An eye for an eye.
VS.
JESUS
Love Your Enemies.
Just sayin' (in concurrence with above post)
Perfect bigotryQuote:
Originally Posted by wyeaster
An eye for an eye.
VS.
JESUS
Love Your Enemies.
Just sayin' (in concurrence with above post)
whooshQuote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Don’t forget raping young children. That’s a core tenet of Christian leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyeaster
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Is it possible for you to distinguish between religion and faith?Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Religion is supposed to implement faith, but in practice, doesn't.
Consider The Crusades, The Eighty Years War, any number of Inquisitions, Pope Gregory IX, The Jesuits, Galileo, Copericus, Cavalieri, Torricelli, let alone the rampant abuse of children on the part of religion. Is that loving thy enemy? These are not acts of faith, but religion.
I can't speak for others, but imho, a person of faith is not the same as an organization of religion. Should the former confuse themselves with the latter they should think more carefully.
a buddy of mine attended a jewish service so I asked him what he thot of the religion
he said " it ain't a religion its a tribe, there was a guy up there reading aloud from the book but there were also 2 guys in the back loudly arguing business, there are people talking, there are people asleep and still that guy at the front just keeps reading "
as for myself I have just never got religion so as i point out to religious people " its kinda like you told me a joke and I didn't get it/didn't find it funny "
which I imagine might piss them off but no buddy has ever said anything
Or any other power structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
I'd bet (just a hunch), that any organization, esp secular, has this problem to a greater degree.
Police abuses (all the time)
Schools ( yup, lots of perv teachers)
Other religions (yup)
Community clubs (yup)
Coaches of Olympic Athletes (yup - lots of abuses there).
The problem, I see it, is that it is actually expected in all those other forums
but ought to be not expected from people's claiming to be Spiritually Enlightened.
However, coming full circle, the spiritual enlightenment of Christianity is actually:
"We are fucked in the head, and heart, and need God's help".
So actually, it is not surprising then - because
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
No one in this world has the abuse industry cornered.
What about the Romans? They had an entire school industry with the government and social and legal endorsement
of pedastery. Seriously effed. And that was the Roman Empire.
This....Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
yes all other organizations have rampant pedophilia issues we just havent found them yet. keep the faith!Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
institutional coverups are also human nature. especially in powerful nonprofits.
apparently so does the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
Wut....Quote:
Originally Posted by wyeaster
Despite the moral failures of many institutions, and ignoring the whataboutistic tact, none is more heinous, more hypocritical, more inhumane or more pervasively long lived than that of religions.
Thus, they deserve all the ire and criticism they are due. Taking it personally, as a person of faith, is a misunderstanding.
The bible is a compendium of all the shitty things people do
Says who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Ironically, the Book of Psalms was written by King David.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Cocky sheppard boy that slayed Goliath - Bieksa or Tie Domi against the Game of Throne Boss.
But he won. He was famed.
He slept with Bathsheeba.
Then killed her husband by proxy (he delegated it to his military command out of his own cowardice.)
Yet his poems are recited throughout history for inspiration and hope and expression.
Perfect isn't the requirement.
In ski terms, if you "French Fry" when you should have "Pizza'd"
and you came out of your bindings
and it was a complete yard sale.
caught on GoPro and you can't deny it.
Get back up.
That's what David did.
Get back up with the help and forgiveness of others.
Is one of the tenets of YOUR religion misogyny? Otherwise your GIF avatar makes you a fucking hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
Keep on trollin', Cretin.
it's what he does and who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mofro261
There is no persecution going on. Just insults. If the preacher man or the imam get to tell us that we're going straight to hell just because we might want to suck a little dick, then they get to hear from us when we think they're up to some sinister no good shit.Quote:
This thread is disgusting because it persecutes a entire group of people based solely on religious beliefs. Period.
When religion:
A) functions as a system of control
B) works to maintain one group's dominance over another
C) is in any way inflicted upon those who want no part of it
it deserves all the insults it gets and more. Criticism, even in the form of vitriolic insults, doesn't qualify as "discrimination," "persecution," or even bigotry. Not even close.
The Buddhist establishment that supported the Japanese Imperial expansion that led to the murder and enslavement of 20-40 million people was evil.
The Catholic Church that has supported and profited from a colonial, genocidal project, and protected, countless child rapists has been and continues to be a sinister organization.
The Muslim leaders who would deny girls education and force them to marry their rapists deserve eternal torment.
On the other hand, if you want to avoid eating pork, turn the other cheek, fast every once in a while, mediate, pray, cut off a piece of your penis, hold hands and sing songs about how the meek are blessed and some dead hippy dude is going to come back to life, or wear any manner of funny hat or other accoutrement, then you should go for it. We've all got our things.
The pursuit of spiritual experiences and sharing communal beliefs are fundamental human practice. Nothing wrong with that. But enslavement, persecution and policing of thoughts are also fundamental human practices. I don't need to respect the latter group just because it is tied up with the former.
https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unf...lea-rose-emeryQuote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
The Nazi's never claimed to 'love thy enemy', neither did Stalin, nor Mao Tse Tung. Nor did any of them spew more of the sweetly seductive lies that religions have in coopting the faiths they presumably represent.
The Nazi Party first developed in largely Catholic Munich, where many Catholics, lay and clerical, offered enthusiastic support. The Roman Catholic Church remained neutral throughout the war despite weak and watered down objections to Nazi's attempted wresting of Papal power. Any Roman Catholic objection to Nazi activity can be seen through the lens of control.
In the large, over the course of history, the Crusades, the issuance of fire and sword against the Netherlands, corrupt and perverted Popes, the Inquisition in Spain and all the atrocities carried out on New World cultures in the name of 'God' add up as only part of the totality. I can't begin to enumerate even some of the Islamic crimes against humanity. Nor the Hindus.
The thing that's the most heinous to me is the incredibly bald faced hypocrisy inherent to all religions.
Again, if people confuse their faith with a religion, they need to think more carefully.
Getting back to the o.p., yes, correlation isn't sufficient for causality, but more evidence is coming up.
Fuck religion and a big fuck you to all the bible worriers.
Not stupidity necessarily, but definitely easily manipulated and brainwashed by fear mongering.
Found this buried on my desk
Attachment 286507
Let's all try this on for size: skiers and snowboarders are stupid.
Now as a skier, I might have a momentary pang of defense. Harrumphs, hot snort, boot dig.
But on a secondary reflection, I'd have to agree with that statement.
Most skiers are stupid.
Most people are stupid.
Then I smile to myself and move along to dreaming of the next massive pow rail I hope to be slicing out somewhere on some high snowline with my pals. Who might be stupid too.
Fuck you to hell ya dumb retart.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Worse excuse for child rape I’ve heard.
Essentially “everyone else was doing it, so what” is your position
The structure was set up to protect rapists.
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Huh. Did not come to the same conclusion as you when reading PGs post. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Note at the end of his post he concludes that:
Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Not to put words in his mouth but I *think* he was saying that pedophilia etc. is effed and no organization is immune to those within their ranks (if not the organization itself) who commit such heinous acts not that he was excusing it. He was actually expanding on what you said.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
the structure was they weren't children retart - median age of first marriage for women was 20.2 years in 1959. How many do you think were under 18? Lorreta Lynn, coalminer's daughter, married at 15 in what she acknowledged was one of the most backwards parts of america.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/teen-...ng-of-the-past
Oh um. I was talking about priests raping little boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
You must be confused. It’s okay.
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Religion is like a penis
It’s OK have one, and
It’s OK to be proud of it.
It’s NOT OK to go waving it around in other peoples faces, and
It’s NOT OK to force it on children
Please stop taking it in the rectory.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Meh....
Atheism is the belief that there is no Supreme Being.
That is a far cry away from, Religion can be bad when wielded as a tool to control stupid people though fear and shame.
FWIW no belief systems should be forced on anyone.
last time the momo's came by I told them I am not religious but I do believe that if I am patient gear will go on sale and so that must be what its like believing in god
I like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
then you really should be an islamophobe as islam is the only religion where you either submit to it or live as a slave and pay taxes to those that do follow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
Well capitalism works that way too.
WhatQuote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
Utter
Bullshit
So are athiests faithless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
It was in the entrance of my house, I'd had a few drinks at dinner, i handed buddy a pair of Denali's and said " here check this out "Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
"wow those are light!" sez the kid in the suit
they never came back
I'd say "no"Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
faith
/fāTH/
noun
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction, credence, reliance, dependence;
2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, persuasion, religious persuasion, religious belief, belief, code of belief, ideology, creed, teaching, dogma, doctrine
"she gave her life for her faith"
Then, of course, there is this:
https://youtu.be/6Cs3Pvmmv0E
Brilliant!! Touche!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Do you think you're being tricky here? No, Atheists believe (have faith in) the idea that there is no god. Always seemed to me to be exactly equivalent to religious faith. In both you believe something you do not know for a fact and which can not be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
The difference being mainly in the killing of non-believers, raping of children, and related ancillary bits.
Just as I don't think I need to conform with the non-conformists I don't think I need to believe what the non-believers believe.
re: Atheists believe (have faith in) the idea that there is no god.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
How? How does one have faith that there is no god(s)?
So, what do athiests think made the physical world?
re: The difference being mainly in the killing of non-believers and raping children bits.
So atheiests don't do that, currently? historically speaking?
How about we also just lump that (the last question still standing) with killing of children (already born ones). Then what?