The Nutrition Science thread

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Originally Posted by iceman

Certainly we didn't evolve to live that way, fat is a valuable commodity in nature because it tends to be rare.

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Yes and no. Animals, even the lean wild variety, carry a lot of fat, and our ancestors ate a lot of animals. Cold-water marine animals have tons of fat. Concentrated fiber-less starches don't really exist in nature at all, either. Tubers and fruits were much more common food sources than grains, and the wild ancestors of potatoes, sweet potatoes, bananas etc. all contained far more fiber than their domesticated descendants. In grains, the endosperm content of wild grains is a fraction of modern varieties.

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Originally Posted by iceman

What are the long-term ramifications of a ketogenic diet in healthy people? It's somewhat difficult to say. Perhaps it's uniformly great for people, but perhaps not.

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With all the caveats about extrapolating from n=1 experimentation, this is a pretty wild story about a woman who reversed a lifetime of serious health problems after switching to a fully carnivorous diet: http://foodmed.net/2018/05/mikhaila-...irl-carnivore/

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Originally Posted by bagtagley

but for the long-term, just avoiding shit food is a pretty good policy.

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I think I said this in the prequel to this thread, but eliminating non-whole fruit fructose, seed oils, and refined starches is about 90% of the battle. That's the obesogenic trifecta. Just eat whole foods, everything else is kinda getting lost in the weeds.

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Originally Posted by bagtagley

They're both shills to some extent - particularly Sisson, who is getting worse

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I lost a lot of respect for him when he started doing the Primal Health Coach certifications. What a joke. The book and blog have always been loss leaders for the supplements and seminars (the guy made supplements for 20 years before writing the Primal Blueprint, that's his gig), but the PHC thing was a bridge too far. That said, there's plenty of sound advice in the PB, most of his products are good quality and reasonably priced, and he practices what he preaches and looks outstanding for his age. Just don't buy into his diploma mill.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

I'm kinda bummed to be eliminating fructose. Juice drinks even diluted halfway with water are way more entertaining than water.

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Embrace La Croix.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

Lipids do not dissolve in water (since they are nonpolar), so saturated fats can potentially clog arteries and blood vessels (more so than unsaturated fats, because they tend to be solid at higher temperatures).

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Um, yeah, that's not how arterial plaque works, at all. Regardless, all saturated fats are quite liquid at body temperature (not your words, I know).

I might have to try some. I'm emboldened by the humors
http://www.collegehumor.com/post/705...ts-of-la-croix


So if I make a pork shoulder, is the rendered fat any more or less dangerous or healthy than the solid chunks? ie, I could do more or less effort to chill overnight and take the fat cap off. vs, makes it a whole lot easier to skip the step and have some green chili that night, and take the fat off the next day.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

I might have to try some. I'm emboldened by the humors
http://www.collegehumor.com/post/705...ts-of-la-croix

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It's funny because it's true. Some of them do truly suck, but personally I think some a great. I love the key lime.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

So if I make a pork shoulder, is the rendered fat any more or less dangerous or healthy than the solid chunks? ie, I could do more or less effort to chill overnight and take the fat cap off. vs, makes it a whole lot easier to skip the step and have some green chili that night, and take the fat off the next day.

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Theoretically, the rendered fat should have less SFAs. The fatty acid profile of lard is actually damn close to olive oil.

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

^^Curious about this & I tried to find what you wrote earlier on 'except for whole fruits'. For me, keeping those in the diet is a big deal as whole fruit is one of the few things I've done right in the past. Excluding whole fruits seems crazy and I haven't followed that approach so far. Eating melon, pineapple, watermelon, berries, etc.


La Croix is ok? FknA if so, that's youdge.

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Nutshell, any fructose you don't get from whole fruit is unhealthy, e.g. sucrose, HFCS, fruit juice. Whole fruit is fine, even Lustig says so, though I wouldn't recommend eating an entire pineapple or six apples in a day. But, if you want to do the keto thing you'll need to cut back on the fruit.

Yeah, La Croix is a full go.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

It's funny because it's true. Some of them do truly suck, but personally I think some a great. I love the key lime.



Theoretically, the rendered fat should have less SFAs. The fatty acid profile of lard is actually damn close to olive oil.

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But isn't this backwards from what we do?
That suggests rendered fat is healthier?
Cook bacon, render fat, save it for later use, but throw away a lot of it.
Eat the fat that's still in the bacon...

Kanjac spaghetti today, good enough to keep in rotation. Did angel hair, noodles are long as fuck, will chop up next time.

On 2nd day, but not in ketosis yet. 1st was below my calorie numbers, and maybe a little off on fat protein ratio, but not much.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

Sure, I'm always down for some cliff notes when someone just studied something like that.

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The alpha tocopherol and sugar elimination was all about fighting cancer. Cliff's notes on alpha tocopherol is that of the 8 forms of vitamin E, alpha tocopherol is the cheapest, strongest antioxidant--and best promoter of tumor growth, probably by interfering with one or more mechanisms by which cancer cells are identified. But vitamin E is needed for natural killer cell production, which is a significant line of defense.

During treatment I cut out anything with much alpha, including olive oil, which was traded nicely for grape seed oil and somewhat less easily coconut and even corn oil. But grape seed has a nicely elevated flash temp, though, too.

Red kidney beans might be the greatest dietary cancer fighter I found. And KQ could probably make a really good cupcake out of them--mine were ok, but for some reason everyone politely left them for me. I should try those again.

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Originally Posted by capulin overdrive

Low carb tortillas aren't too bad. Smell like ass, and roll like thick paper, but end results were ok. Need to try frying them.

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Try St. Joseph pita's, great for mopping up butter and creamy sauces.

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Originally Posted by mud

Try St. Joseph pita's, great for mopping up butter and creamy sauces.

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Thanks, will check them out.


Next, the stupid piss sticks! Had just been sticking them in the piss stream, but appearing i was washing something off the strip and not getting results.

Pissed in a cup, and dipped, and they worked. So not as handy as just pissing on them.

You could probably skip the strips and the pricks and just gauge ketosis by how bad your breath smells.

Huh, I guess I'm in Ketosis.

Asperagosis

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Originally Posted by Norseman

Asperagosis

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deserves a +1 and it just got it. Where the fuck is the "like" button anyways?

One downside to being in keto was no more epic craps, just rabbit turds.

I like being able to eat half a pizza then drop a load in the morning that makes me feel 8 pounds lighter, very satisfying way to start the day.

the shit that annoys you?

Maybe it was a combination of the intermittent fasting and not eating enough salads.

But hey I lost weight so I guess having a good crap should be seen as a privilege and not a right if your diet consists of mostly meats and cheeses.

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Originally Posted by jono

Red kidney beans might be the greatest dietary cancer fighter I found. And KQ could probably make a really good cupcake out of them--mine were ok, but for some reason everyone politely left them for me. I should try those again.

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I love beans. The profuse flatulence, not so much.

Smoking weed also helps when fasting.

Anytime I had a craving for food I would smoke a bowl then forget I was hungry.

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Originally Posted by mud

Smoking weed also helps when fasting.

Anytime I had a craving for food I would smoke a bowl then forget I was hungry.

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Everyone is different. If I smoked while fasting I’d down a bag of Cheetos in 3.486559 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

I love beans. The profuse flatulence, not so much.

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I find red kidneys are particularly difficult to eat. They ruin a lot of things, so I never got that many at a time. Only place I actually like them is in a minestrone, where they're vastly outnumbered. Sounds like there might be a 3-bean salad with vinegar in my future, though.

"bean salad" will always make me think of my signature.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

Everyone is different. If I smoked while fasting I’d down a bag of Cheetos in 3.486559 seconds.

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Yeah well that's how I gained 20#'s noshing on Snyder's sourdough pretzel bits.

Sometimes you just have to say no and retrain your brain.

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Originally Posted by jono

The alpha tocopherol and sugar elimination was all about fighting cancer. Cliff's notes on alpha tocopherol is that of the 8 forms of vitamin E, alpha tocopherol is the cheapest, strongest antioxidant--and best promoter of tumor growth, probably by interfering with one or more mechanisms by which cancer cells are identified. But vitamin E is needed for natural killer cell production, which is a significant line of defense.

During treatment I cut out anything with much alpha, including olive oil, which was traded nicely for grape seed oil and somewhat less easily coconut and even corn oil. But grape seed has a nicely elevated flash temp, though, too.

Red kidney beans might be the greatest dietary cancer fighter I found. And KQ could probably make a really good cupcake out of them--mine were ok, but for some reason everyone politely left them for me. I should try those again.

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Going to look into this over the weekend.

Black beans are by far my fav, with cumin and way too much cilantro.
Fairly much gave them up when I looked in to Paleo and gave up chipotle.

Guess I’ll give this stuff a whirl.

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La Croix is legit. Drink it almost every day.

They had a bunch of weird flavors at my store. Nothing I would normally buy in a fruit juice, which seems like a store manager stocking blunder.

I like the flavor you bought pretty well. Lime is a staple. Tangerine is really good. Of course it all depends on what fruits you like.

They have some new Simple Truth (Kroger) ones that are pretty good. Arrowhead has some good ones in bigger plastic bottles as well as Trader Joes. Even Perrier when it is on sale. Lime and grapefruit are my go to's. It was a fairly easy transition, but sometimes I really do want a Pepsi.

All I wanted was a Pepsi, but she wouldn't give it to me.

No Coke, Pepsi.

Free La Croix in the office fridge.....Winning!

At home we’re using grapefruit La Croix and Simply Limeade to make Palomas.


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Half a lime or lemon squeezed into a compatible la croix flavor, or even club soda, is dang tasty.

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Originally Posted by Danno

All I wanted was a Pepsi, but she wouldn't give it to me.

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Are you saying I'M crazy? You're the one who's crazy.

Saw a commercial tonight for Henry's Hard Sparkling Water.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

I love beans. The profuse flatulence, not so much.

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That's just good clean family fun, Cotton!

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

https://www.netflix.com/title/80238655

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Watched that movie with my wife. I thought it was very good. One woman claimed she cured her own cancer by changing her diet.

After a long weekend to visit family in NC I need a reset. Whole 30 started today.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

After a long weekend to visit family in NC I need a reset. Whole 30 started today.

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Feeling the same way. Hence the visit to this thread.

How much should a active 6-2 man who does a lot of physical labor/activities weigh? BMI index does not help as the 145-198 seems like a huge range....

I'm prolly 210ish right now.

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Originally Posted by steepconcrete

Feeling the same way. Hence the visit to this thread.

How much should a active 6-2 man who does a lot of physical labor/activities weigh? BMI index does not help as the 145-198 seems like a huge range....

I'm prolly 210ish right now.

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I don't think you will find one single answer. Because two people at the same height could have the same weight yet be miles apart re fitness and health.

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Originally Posted by steepconcrete

How much should a active 6-2 man who does a lot of physical labor/activities weigh?

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Wrong question. Waist-hip ratio <0.9, total bodyfat <20% and preferably <15%. Worry about WHR first and total BF second. Visceral fat in your abdominal cavity is way, way unhealthier than subcutaneous fat: https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/n...to-life-span#1

For this purpose, measuring BF via the mirror test works fine
http://ketogains.com/wp-content/uplo...09/BF-Male.jpg

Load your legs: https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/...-lei051718.php