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Mammut Base Jump
I think they were mentioned up thread. I have two seasons on them and couldn’t be happier. Three pockets on the front, two on the back, look like regular pants for apres, reinforced knees ass and cuffs, athletic fit but not rando race. Plenty light and breathable but still knock down the wind fine, had them out on 0 degree days touring with an ultralight wool layer under and on 60 degree spring tours in full sun, did great on both.
The old ones are the cat's pajamas. Can't say anything about the new onesQuote:
Originally Posted by HotSchmoo
Hmm
Lindahl that reminds me that you're a fan of the ferrosi jacket. As am i.
Would you use their ferrosi pant for skiing?
The only Ferrosi pants I've used I bought about 7 years ago. The only time I use them as a ski pant was June spring skiing when it was hot. No way would I use them in any precip or temps below 40.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotSchmoo
Hoping that’s whats going on here. Sounds like brick and mortar won’t get shipment for a few more weeks. Gonna check them out when my local shop does.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
They did not. New fabric (GORE-TEX INFINIUM), no suspenders, new zip thigh vents. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I liked their very minimalist suspenders I even had a set of loops grafted onto my patagucci so i could swap the arcterxy suspenders overQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
as a short little AZN fucker (30" inseam) what I found with soft shell pants is that if the pockets have vertical opennings they take up too much room on the side of the piece that the vent zips need
also shit falls out of a vertical openning pocket so you want horizontal openning pockets like 1st version of the procline
also the piss zip that opens both ways on the patagucci didnt work very well cuz it didnt open far enough
either becuz I am a short AZN fucker
or cuz I am hung like a race horse
I'm in that same club. I liked the suspenders, too, and talked the rep out of a few extra pairs which I use on my Sabre hardshell pants. The fly zipper on those is about 1.5 inches too short, gotta be extra careful during the shake off so as not to get the drip down the leg effectQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I have a pair of cirque 2s and the ferrosi pants (zip off for hiking). The ferrosi fabric as you may know is very breathable and dries fast but is not thick or warm at all. I'd maybe use them on the warmest days but would probably prefer the cirque 2s.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotSchmoo
What John said.. purely a warm spring/summer pant. Good for fall high aline stuff too before the snow flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotSchmoo
I lke them both a lot.
The new fabric is thinner, stretchier, and has a softer hand than the old. No suspenders is not a positive in my book. Fit is slightly tighter through the thighs (not good for me), pocket placement more or less the same and there is a beacon clip in the right thigh pocket. Verdict still out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Wish Arcteryx would offer more pants with the short inseam.
I came to the proclines on a warranty claim from the Fury which was a thinner material & had 4 pockets but the crotch delamedQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
arcterxy gave me the full price credit on the Fury for which I didn't even pay full price, at the same time they also thru a new shoulder harness on my Bora 40 pack, needless to say I am a fanboi of the deadbird products
I do like the thicker material of the proclines cuz its cold up here and they pretty much nailed the design of the powder cuff
Has anyone tried the Flylow Tannen? It's billed as a low softshell bib, although it also has a 20k/20k membrane.
https://flylowgear.com/products/tannen-bib
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Originally Posted by Bronco
i just picked up a pair of Gamma LT in mens MS and they fit great with kneepads underneath. gonna use these for cold resort days under shell.
i do need a schoeller type pant replacement for my BD Dawn patrol pants though.
What don't you like about the Dawn Patrols?
I like everything about them. Just pretty much worn out at this point. Leg zipper broke, had to replace a snap and I think the fly zipper is on the way out. No way they’ll last another season.Quote:
Originally Posted by gman321
OK I bought a pair of the Mammut base jump pants based on this thread and good reviews elsewhere. Just got them and they're a good bit tighter through the legs and especially the butt than i wanted.
Main problem is the cuff though. They barely fit over the ski boot even in buckled up downhill mode and allow very little range of motion for uphill even if the ankle zips are open. Dont know how you guys tour in these.
So definitely dont want an athletic fit i guess. Just slightly trimmer is fine.
So now looking at the Eddie Bauer pro guide pant and the OR Cirque Two.
Eddie Bauer doesnt have the ankle zip/gusset so im doubtful.
Cirque pant looks good but feeling gunshy. Just really dont want a Euro-stretchy pant deal.
How's the fit on these two options?
I've had a couple of pairs of the Eddie Bauer Guide Pro Pant and they're cut very generously. I just looked and noticed this on the web page for this product which is consistent with my experience:
Measurements, Size 33: Waist 35" | Seat 42" | Thigh 26.25" | Knee Cir. 19" | Leg Opening 18"
These are certainly "soft shell" pants but lack zippers on all but the thigh pockets so they'd get some snow in there. The fabric lacks weather resistance, compared to other brands. I have a pair of Arcteryx Gamma AR pants that are much better for ski touring and alpine climbing although the cuff lacks a zipper as well. The Eddie Bauer pants are more for cooler rock climbing or putting on back at the trail head after skiing, in my opinion.
I have some of the original OR Trailbreakers that are designed specifically for BC Touring, burly and fit my big butt well. They're a little long in the legs for me but I love the fit of them otherwise. Have you looked a the current version of the OR Trailbreakers?
Not sure about the OR Cirque.
I have a pair of first-gen OR Cirque pants. They are on the trimmer side but as tight as euro brands. I have some EU L/ US M Dynafit pants that fit similar to the M Cirque. A touch more room than Ortovox Col Becchei in M. More trim than Arcteryx Gamma in M which I would call an average fit and much more trim than Black Diamond Dawn Patrol which are super baggy. Velcro waist adjustment is nice. Cuff has a huge opening, easily fit over all my boots including resort boots. No gaiter.
Just bought Ortrovox Bacun pant cause euro green offsets my eyes. Also has merino lining. On sale for $228
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This could go in the shit that annoys you thread but fuck this trend from most manufacturers of decent touring pants of going Euro tight. I got squeezed out of most brands and models I used to like and it's not because I'm getting fat. Touring pants these days will squeeze my ass harder than an aggressive cougar at the bar, choke my meaty thighs, and barely fit over my boots (assuming I remembered to bring forceps and some form of lubrication to make it work). That shit only works for malnourished rando bros who need every bit of help to reach the vert quota. I give 0 fucks about that stuff and want comfortable gear that doesn't make me look like a giant condom on skis. Seems like that's only available in hardshell these days...
Edit: this is what I'm talking about right here:
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit boy, if you think those pants are baggy you need a few sandwiches and a trip back to the early 90s to see what baggy really means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
The medium Dawn Patrol is so baggy I tried the small which was just a little too tight in the waist and short in the leg so I ended up with the women's medium which is a pretty good fit, similar to men's mediums from other brands
Agree entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boissal
Fucking hate skinny jeans too
+1 vote for BD Dawn Patrol as a reasonable pant volume. It has appropriate fabric at the cuff too for abrasion resistance
+2. Been skiing in a pair all season, all conditions. Performs admirably. Fits well, breaths great. My only complaint is the mesh behind the thigh zips. I should just stop being lazy and rip it out.Quote:
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I wanted to score some Dawn Patrols, bummer to find them sold out on the BD site….wait and watch!
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Preach it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boissal
All you fat fucks can send your medium longs to me.
I have first gen OR Cirques, and they are amazing imo. Perfect weight of fabric, good weather resistance, and not too tight, but not so baggy they get in the way when cramponing. If the 2nd gen is just the same, but with new features, it's definitely worth the look.
I have dawn patrols in a large and they work well for small boots, but i don't think i could pull them over an alpine boot
They're a great pant, i just wish they had a dedicated beacon pocket.
You do realize that the Guide Pro pants from EB are different than the Guide Pro ski touring pants? The latter has zippers on all pockets, reinforced cuffs, integral gaiter and fleece backed soft shell with really great DWR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronco
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some new cottage mfg should start making touring pants, everything on the market has gone to sh*t...
I love https://www.nwalpine.com/collections.../thielsen-pant for spring days
I had no idea they had several different Guide Pro anything. I see Guide Pro Alpine Stretch Pants: https://www.eddiebauer.com/p/3883270...=1&color=Black Looks like it'd be more appropriate for skiing than the regular Guide Pro Pants. The Mountain Ops Ski Tour Pants appear to have the same back pockets as my Guide Pro pants that don't zip closed. Not a deal breaker but would annoy me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I’m not sure if they discontinued the GP ski tour pants or not. Mine don’t have back pockets. The Mtn Ops are like a hybrid of the GP ski tour and the discontinued Nail Driver pants. Don’t really care about back pocket closures. I wear the Nail Driver pants for lift served almost everyday and at 5 seasons and hundreds of days they show almost no wear. Very weather resistant unless it’s really wet snow or rain. If it’s that wet I’m wearing my Grundens bibsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bronco
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These fucking things are squeezing my ass through the computer screen!! FAAAAAAAAAAKKKQuote:
Originally Posted by davjr96
Bring back the Patagucci Descensionist pants, those things were dope, enough room to fit thighs 2x bigger than mine, great material, great pockets, great vents. My pair came used from ebay and may not have too many more years of life left.
I mean it looks like there's plenty of good options available. Just hate the skinny pant thing. Sounds like "regular fit" on alot of these are actually pretty trim. I'm not a rock climber ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Westcoaster
Did not know that, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I just picked up a medium men’s pair of the much-loved/TGR-approved 2016 Procline FL pants from the Arcteryx used gear site. $230 after tax for “like new.” No tags but they don’t seem used to me. There’s one more pair it looks like…