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What's the likelihood that these issues got addressed now that the tecton is starting to ship? It would be a major bummer to buy a pair of these knowing the potential for issues, especially since kingpins are back on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
Bump. I'm curious too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Who did you order from?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
(just curious, I don't need 'em)
One of us was going to cave first on Tectons ;-). It was only a matter of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Of course, your first assignment is to report back on the hole pattern for the heel track. Dawson seems tlo think the pair he got last year had a demo track - that Vipec/Evo and Tectons use the identical template.
... Thom
I had a buddy that owns vipecs and also just bought tectons measure, he says the patterns are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I might be interested...you thought about price?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
1000 oaks review will make or break this binding.
Do they work with shallow heels like the tlt?
Moosejaw (Wal-Mart)Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
Martin Volken put 40 days on a test pair last season, and has reviews on his web site and YouTube. I'd think he's pretty unbiased, unless Fritschi is quietly supplying him with hookers and blow.
Good write-up (assuming no hookers & blow).Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Regarding the earlier comment in this thread relating to forward pressure "problems", my guess is that this is poor documentation and end user training and nothing more. I'm not married to this theory, but it seems consistent with Fritschi's documentation track record. They're better at designing stuff than documenting it. We'll see ...
Edit: Dawson has something to say about the forward pressure adjustment which would seem to back up my theory:
https://www.wildsnow.com/22228/frits...#comment-82974
Here's the written commentary: http://www.proguiding.com/tripreport...i-tecton-test/
And the video: https://youtu.be/xHBiTzR-XKI
... Thom
40 days on em and all he got was 2 lines on the downhill performance that are just tech specs. Is the video any better?Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I thought it answered the question well enough, but scroll to 8:30 in the video for performance comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by smooth operator
... Thom
Any idea if it pre releases with weird snow or hard hits?
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I can't see where it would be different (laterally) than the Vipec. Vertically ... dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
My primary concern relates to how the "nubs" that engage with the tech heel fitting will hold up. Granted, the binding's been in development for 5 years, but I'd still like to know.
... Thom
My pair showed up a couple weeks ago. Only question is which ski are they going on...Salomon QST 106 or Helio 105?
I'm going to stick them on a Blizzard ZeroG 108 as the holes and mounting pattern lines up with previously mounted Vipec BlacksQuote:
Originally Posted by Solesides
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Two questions for the collective:
1. First year and all that. Anyone have any +\- experience with BD about the prior iterations of vipecs? My thought is maybe BD is better about ensuring there are quick fixes if they really want these to compete.
Sidebar: I think Salewa / Dynafit went from amazing customer service to absolute shite.
2. I really want a thread that compares these to kingpins...
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Hmm, kinda thinking about being a Guinea Pig.
As a fatty, I have been waiting for a binding like this for a few years. Hopefully it will hold me in more so than a Beast 14.
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Best new Tecton feature is ALL THREE accent color inserts are now included. /s
I had a Fritsch Freeride plastic heel piece explode on me at the top of a steep line 7 miles deep and 6k from the car. It was about 4/5 years old at the time, around 08/09 I think. That was the last plastic binding I've owned. The Verticals I bought after that are still going strong....
you ^^ realize the body of a Vertical heel piece is plastic
and them 4 screws holding the top plates/pins all togetehr are basically just wood screws going into the plastic?
I supose you could switch to the Plum cuz they look like aluminium so a lot of people think they are metal but they are plastic too albeit nicely machined Plastic
Verticals were/are pretty bullet proof but the radicals blow up all the time from the touring up not the skiing down
suggest you take 2 of the longest Voile straps with you cuz daisy chained togetehr ... they will strap your heel down to the ski
Yeah I learned that trick about halfway out of that ordeal. And yes verts have plastic but you can always lock the toe and ski out w/o the heel.
So by that argument I guess the tecton could always do the same if the heel exploded, right?
yeah I had a rad heel explode so we used a couple of straps to get down the steeper stuff but it was pretty much a bad tele binding with just the toe locked on lower angle
I duno about the tecton, but given all the updates and probs that generally occur with AT bindings in their 1st year I would wait till it wasn't bleeding edge technology
i am trying to think of a binding that does not use plastic but it escapes me
Weight reduction challenges the limits of all materials out there. Unless the heel piece can weight a kilo, metal will snap, crack, bend.
It's the old adage of "I can do light, strong & cheap, which two do you want?"
did the kingpins go through any changes from when they were first introduced to where they are now?
yeah the pins were falling out of the toes
Haha.
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And that Kingpin, pin-loosening failure was metal on metal which took two admittedly quick iterations to resolve.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Metal doesn't necessarily mean "good" and plastic doesn't necessarily mean "bad".
... Thom
^^^ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
isnt the vipec on version 4?
And so hopefully the toe will work on the tecton
but in real life something always comes up that the engineers didn't foresee & didn't test for
Nothing like expanding distribution of your product to the general population to find out what's in need of improvement :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Yes, gen-4 for the Vipec-Evo/Tecton toe. Last year's black Vipec was gen-3. The only change I'm aware of is improved ease of entry. The Black Vipecs from last year, are still a bit challenging to get into - even with the ski on the work bench. Thankfully, this is the only flaw I've encountered to date with the design.
Putting this all into perspective, I'd say that both the first release of the Vipec and Kingpin were actually quite good. Of course (in the case of the Kingppin) you didn't want to find yourself with a loose toe pin at the top of something gnarly :-(
Typical bleeding edge warning applies. I'm optimistically waiting for the early returns on the Tecton.
... Thom
As I recall, the "black" toe looks similar to a white from above, but was a mostly redesigned mechanism. Check out the underside of the toe: bigger springs, more carriage travel, the plastic tail section gets a metal skeleton, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
https://www.wildsnow.com/wp-content/...un-525x351.jpg
Exactly. Anything carbon fiber is technically "plastic."Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
In my past life I came across a couple of instances of stuff that never could have been foreseen but my favorite was an ATM machine failing on insertion of deposit envelopes, you think you got it fixed cuz the problem goes away but then it comes next year in the fall ???!!Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
because thats when the sun is at the right place in the sky to shine directly down into the depositor throat and fuck up the photcells that sense the envelopes
SO the machine only failed when the planets aligned a certain way ... you just cana test for everything!!
Dealing with machinists is similar. You have to have an eagle eye in your QC process - even with a part that's been made correctly over multiple production runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
People don't realize that CNC machining of a part involves multiple steps which require manual intervention by the operator to call up the next step. Machinists, like all businessmen are trying to become more efficient in their fabrication process. Sometimes, in trying to combine steps or otherwise improve the process to save machine time, they can outsmart themselves.
A previous machinist of mine had some idle capacity on a lathe which he had previously not used to turn motor pulleys for me. It required a collet designed to hold larger parts and the result was pulleys with excessive runout by a factor of 10 (i.e. .010" instead of .001" or better).
... Thom
I can see how the elasticity in the heel will give a little more alpine feel than the Vipec.
I can see how the heel might transmit power a little better than the Vipec.
I don't see much in the way of safety increase over Vipec (except what comes from elasticity).
So is minutely better feel/power worth $50, 50g, and a more pain in the butt mode transition?
I'll see... gonna try a pair.
I haven't really kept up with the Tecton, but I thought lateral release at the heel and the toe was theoretically supposed to be safer...what am I missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
There isn't lateral release at the heel.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Still accumulating questions and putting up some pics.
Attachment 214403Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Key difference between 2017-8 Evo and 2016-7 Vipec (left and right)
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Key difference between 2017-8 Evo and 2016-7 Vipec (left and right)
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Dynafit toe inserts are spaced (measured on a Salomon Freeski Mtn Lab) at 65mm. The binding opening on the Black Vipec (stays open without needing pole to hold the toe lever down) is 70 mm; lots of space. The binding opening of the white Vipec of previous years was 63mm (with the toe lever flipped up) and 68mm (with the toe lever held open with a pole). Numbers don’t lie and explain the frustration some may have had with older Vipecs . For the record, the binding opening of a Dynafit Comfort is 68mm.
Attachment 214406
Vipecs and Evo and Tecton play well with tech fittings. Should be no concern about that
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Evo toe (left) Tecton toe (right). No idea why the Tecton toe is 14g lighter as they're functionallty and construction-wise identical.
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For control purposes - Vipec toe weight
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and final geek fest - Evo toe weight
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Tecton heel. This is where the gear-fappage is occurring. Will take better pictures when they're mounted on a ski
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Tecton heel. Flipped over to show the mounting pattern which is IDENTICAL to the Vipec and Evo mounting pattern. Risers look easy enough to engage with the pole; I use the nub end of a BD pole handle flipped around to engage heel lifters. RV 12 heel
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The Tecton heel moves back and forth as it goes from walk to ski mode. It has a flat touring mode wihen the heel risers are not engaged
Ramp angle is the same as with Evo/Vipec. Ie about a 5mm delta with toepiece being lower therefore not as much pitched forward as older Dynafits.
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Tecton heel weight. Add 5g if you want to get persnickety about weight