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I’ve been using this binding all season (20 days?) and love it. It has more features than a race binding but is still damn light.
I thought I would use the feature you describe more frequently as I’m used to Plum race heels, but it’s so easy to push the heel unit from sideways/tour mode to ski with a ski pole grip that I rarely use it.
Initial review - Mounted the MTN binding on a pair of Voile's. Mounting jig was easy and straight forward. Bindings come in 2 boxes one for the clamps and another for the brakes. Well organized. note: if you want to run brakes take of the rando riser and attach the brake riser. Brakes require one extra hole to be drilled. Set the Jig and drill. As Mentioned before there are 3 "springs" Men - Woman - and Exp. Easily swap-able.
Conditions - 5-7 inches of fresh at Alta. Skied these inbounds hard and did not release. Expert terrain. Confidence inspiring. Ease of entry a plus - I did not have to Dynafiddle these bindings. Place the front of your boot at the toe bar and engage the pins by stepping straight down.
Touring - Leaving the resort boundaries - these clamps performed exceptionally. This is the lightest setup I have ever owned, and it is noticeable. Skinning was spot on with the 1st riser. As mentioned before it is not necessary to spin the heel for flat if you don't need it. Pole flick and the risers deploy. I did not need the highest riser on this tour just the first one - 7 degrees I believe.
Use - these are super simple - engage the lever to hold the brake up and you are all set. Turn the pins 90degrees if you expect or need the flat mode. The flip up risers are easy to engage with a pole grip - pole tip.
Transitioning - flip everything back to ski and let them rip.
Safety - This binding has more elastic travel then any low tech offering from Dynafit that I had used in the past. Comforts - TLT - Vertical FT . The fact that I skied this binding hard in area with confidence was inspiring. I for one am glad that there is no lock mode for the Toe. Safer that way.
Conclusions - this binding checks all of the boxes for me. Until Solomon releases the Switch with STH retention at a minimal weight penalty.
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mounted at Dibs eh? LOL.....Quote:
Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat
Yes. That is where I do all my mounts. Every thing is there - you just have to poke around for it.
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Curious what you mean by this. The toe looks like it locks for walk mode. "Walk" is printed so that you can see it when it's pulled all the way up on mine. Thanks for the review, I'm planning on mounting a pair tonight so this is all good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat
but there's no need unless you're going to flat mode right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ccl
Huh? I don't see anything that suggests these bindings have elastic travel. Dynafits don't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat
i was perplexed with this statement as well. I thought the pins rested nearly snug up to the boot (what 3mm ish?) but maybe i misread something somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
Ok nick pick me. Just pointing out that I skied all conditions both in area and out. Including a 8 foot drop. My experience with dynafiddles would pop off when hucked or basically skied hard in area. Forcing me to lock the toes. Which is not friendly to my tib fib. The MTN did not release all day. Inspiring confidence. If it is 3mm then perfect. Still more than zero.
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It's not a nit pick when you say "elastic travel" when neither binding has elastic travel. It's a critical safety and skiability element of binding design that separates all pin-bindings except the Vipec/Tecton from alpine bindings.Quote:
Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat
Not releasing isn't about elastic travel. Its about clamping force / retention.
No one is saying they don't ski well, perhaps better than dynafiddles. Just that saying "elastic travel" is like saying Pivots release laterally at the heel. Neither is true.
And the 3mm SkiDog is referring to is the heel gap. Dynafits have 4.5-5.5mm here. So if that is the "elastic travel" you're talking about, Dynafits have more than the MTNs, not zero.
I've skied more than a few hard days at Alta on comforts and some on rad 2.0. rads feel better due to heel gap being wider and a moving toe to absorb some shock. Comforts more like mtn. Only place I skied either locked out was main chute. Never once did they ejected me.Quote:
Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat
I think skiing style has a lot to do with how pin tech bindings release. I mean hoji #nuffsaid
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Not sure if I posted my review to this thread. This binding is remarkable in being the first tech binding released in a few years which didn't have issues right out of the gate.
But it has no elasticity
http://www.doglotion.com/salomon-bac...s-mtn-lab-boot
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Yep, no need to. But I often do just in case I encounter the unexpected flat area.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbillie1
Pretty sure the heel gap is 5mm. Most Dynafits are 5.5mm so negligible difference.
The toe clamps tight enough that I can do most powder, easy skinning with it in ski mode, and I’m 190 pounds. This is a nice benefit in avy terrain and is one less step at transitions. Definitely want it locked in walk mode for any form skinning or aggressive kick turning.
Correct gap for the MTN/Backland Tour is 4mm. Current "static" Dynafits are all 5.5mm, original TLT was 4mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccl
The 4mm was what I was thinking. I typically used 3 quarters stacked together when I couldn't find the dynafit provided shim.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
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What is the equivalent to 4 mm? Is there something such as a Allen key I could stick in there. I do not believe my bindings came with a shim. And do you want it just touching the shim or pressed firmly against it? Thanks
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You can use the binding leash clasp that came with the bindings by turning it on its side to set the heal gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by markcjr
Hmm I would suggest a 4mm Allen key.Quote:
Originally Posted by markcjr
Lay a 5/32" drill bit across the pins (=3.97mm).
Lay a 5/32" drill bit across the pins (=3.97mm). Just lightly touching/dragging.Quote:
Originally Posted by markcjr
Beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
this - its width is designed specifically for that purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Thanks guys
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Anybody usually ski with heels at 11/12 "din" who can comment on pre release with expert springs?
I ski with my dins on 12/13 and use the expert Springs and have not pre released. I also cycle the springs to clear snow before I step in the front
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Good. Thanks for the feedback. weight + bsl?
175# nekkid
327 bsl
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Same experience here. Ski alpine bindings at DIN 12, no prereleases yet with Expert spring. 170 lbs. 288/295/301/302/305 BSL depending on boot.
This doesn’t necessarily answer the OP’s question but it’s another data point. I have 50-60 days on three pairs of the Salomon and Atomic versions with the Man spring. I’m 190#, 314mm BSL, and I’ve yet to release much less prerelease. I’ve skied them fairly aggressively, with a heavy pack, and on some boilerplate snow - no issues.
All good info. I'm heavier than all of you but sounds like it'll be ok. Pulling the trigger tomorrow.
Cross posting here from Gear Swap, I'm looking for 100mm brakes for these bindings. If anyone has an unused set to sell, or trade for my 80mms let me know. Thanks.
Brake width question: are the brakes for the MTN Pin binding fitting similarly to the Shifts? i.e. for a 106mm waist ski am I better off with the 100 or 110 brake?
Nope Rob. They're more conservativeQuote:
Originally Posted by robnow
. Go with 110 for 106 waist or be prepared to bend
Thanks Lee!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
anyone know how the brakes size on these? toying with the idea of using brakes for my Lotus 120s (122mm waist) for occasional inbounds use, but if they size large maybe thinking of bending 110s...? or am I overthinking this obvious decision lol
They will fit, i have 100 in my 112 skisQuote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
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Quick Question.... Just picked up a pr of skis with a brand new set of the Atomic Backland bindings mounted up already for a slightly longer BSL. For my touring boots I need to crank the heel piece pretty much all the way forward minus only a mm or 2. Is it OK to have them all the way forward? Or should I remount the toes 1cm back to be i the mid zone of the heel piece? Boot center ended up 1/4" or so ahead of the line. Skis are Backland 107s. Thanks a Ton!
It's fine as long as they are setup correctly.
Fine, aside from the fact that your boot center is now a bit forward of the original mount position. Which may or may matter or even be noticeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravityDT
Cool - that's what I was thinking. Thanks!