Not to mention, we're talking about a guy whose movie was called FEW WORDS. Heh.
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Not to mention, we're talking about a guy whose movie was called FEW WORDS. Heh.
I once saw someone drive their femur through their knee joint and out over the top of their tibia while they were bowling in a Cricket match.... There's probably a formal name for such an injury... "thighbone sticking out through cricket pants" or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
why do they have to be responsible ?Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
I thot the point was to be extreme ?
Back in the day I ran into/shared a plane ride with Laurie Skreslet the 1st Canadian to summit everest (back when climbing everest was really something) when he was doing the motivational talk circuit about the climb he said more or less after a few drinks "you thro your life away when you head up the Khumbu Ice fall some people couldn't accept that"
I'm not doing any of this stuff but logicaly speaking when things are extreme maybe someone gets hurt or killed, I assume they must accept that possiblity before they do it why does this have to be complicated ?
You could easily get stabbed with those knitting needles ... very extreme eh?
I believe the equipment has made a huge difference. I know people that were so so skiers that when they got onto fat skis looked like pros. The new skis are so easy, anyone can ski where they would have had trouble getting down the hill before. We use to love big powder days because only the locals, those of us from the 'ski town' could ski those huge dumps. All the tourists and eastcoast transplants use to complain because the snow was too deep for them, we of course laughed. We would have the mountain to ourselves, maybe 40 of us plus patrol. This is when powder patience ruled the day. These days the fresh snow is trashed in mere hours.
I'm not sure what your point is? Are you saying the best skiers aren't that good? Are you saying better gear makes skiing more dangerous?
An account on Estelle's fatal accident (in French though).
http://www.illustre.ch/sites/default...de-chute_0.jpg
Apparently on triggering the slide she hit a rock which sent her tumbling and was mere passenger from there on. Shite!
Site: http://www.illustre.ch/magazine/une-chute-vertigineuse
I like ski movies. I buy some of them. I get tired of the extreme gnar fall and die scenes.
I much prefer the deep pow segments. I could never even imagine myself on those extreme lines. I can at least imagine myself in the deep pow scenes.
I'm dying to see the Afghan Ski Challenge
RULES
No weapons allowed. Everyone starts at the same time. The winner is the first person to cross the finish line having successfully registered at all the check points along the way. Skis and Snow Boards are allowed.
http://afghanskichallenge.com/
I don't even care if there is skiing in it. Whatever they put down is FTW!
I might even buy some Fritschi Black Edition bindings if the wife likes the film and endorses more ski touring expenses.
That was somewhat related to the thread but a nevertheless extreme sidetrack.
www.sidetracked.com/ski-afghanistan/Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Pretty cool article about skiing there
The shit talking going on by last years #1 is worthy of a drama tv show....epic.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
Yes, the season was dry and warm overall and there was hardly any snow until after christmas. 67 is somewhat below average and at least in Switzerland (18 deaths as of may 1, compared to 23 on average) this is being attributed to the poor snow conditions and general lack of snow. In Italy there were more deaths than in most years due to one very big slide with a lot of people involved. There were several incidents where there were a lot of fatalities in a single accident, which is unusual and makes up for a significant percentage of the overall number. I figure this kind of reflects the fact that there was a persistent weak layer over much of the Alps, making for very complex avalanche conditions at times, where things tended to go big when they did go. (6 dead in South Tyrol, 5 and 3 in two incidents in France, 5 in Austria ).Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Yeah I saw that. Not saying it's not a concerning number, of course it is. It's just not really very unusual when looking at other years. "The usual" is concerning enough. Then again, considering the amount of people out in the mountains, it seems almost surprising that those numbers are what they are and not much higher.
I agree that these statistics are all rather meaningless and as long as people are dying, the industry and all of us have a responsibility to try and find ways to prevent that, which includes trying not to get killed ourselves and being critical of an industry that at times glorifies risk taking.
Skiers are made much better by the new gear. Look, many of you apparently don't know much about the mountains, that much is obvious by the crap I read on TGR. There was a time not too long ago where skis were skinnier, certainly much harder to ski than modern skis. All of you eastern transplants loved bump skiing and hated powder because you had trouble skiing the deep snow. So when a big dump came, like big wensday, only those of us from the 'mountain town' went out skiing, the rest stayed home because they got tired of body packing the slope. Then skis got fatter, and those that had stayed home on the big dumps were unfortunately now able to ski in the deep snow.
No shit? I had no idea! Please, tell us more!Quote:
Originally Posted by kailas
Also, WTF does your post really have to do with this thread?
:rolleyes:
Pretty sure he has posted that same thing verbatim in another thread.
Dude is just core as fuck!
...AND, most of all...producers are young, immature, spoiled suburb boys who've only experienced the outdoors from the extravagences of SUV caravans....Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
You don't beat the wilderness....but quite a few "producers" try to...
thanks for posting klar- saw that yesterday but couldn't find any info not in swedish
hoping for the best here :(
Sadly, she did not survive 🙁
RIP.
Was she on a heli shoot?
So fucking horrible. RIP
Fuck. Happened in Farallones. http://freerideworldtour.com/news/rip-matilda-rapaport
Oh god this sucks so much. She won one of the first comps I ever did, I remember her being kind of in her own league on that one. I think she got on the tour the following year.
So sad. I enjoyed watching her ski.
Bad news.
I wish we'd get some sort of accident report from these incidents - Liz Daley, Balet, etc. so that we might learn something from the tragedy. If they are heli filming you'd think that they'd be able to get a rescue there pretty quickly, but...?
http://www.powder.com/stories/news/m...T7TVi7o46zb.97
Still no details on exactly what set off the slide. Sucks that this was during a film shoot. One would hope there would be less risk in that situation. RIP
It sounds like she was filming for a Video game called STEEP.
I was reflecting on the fact that we've recently had a series of pro rider women die in these incidents Rapaport, Balet, Daley. Is it just because more women are getting into the pro game at a higher level or because or some other factor?
From what I see the gap between male & female performance (read: risk) is simply getting smaller. Depending on the discipline the difference can be negligible or nonexistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
Really hurts to watch this video now:
http://www.peakperformance.com/gb/a-...ier-knows.html
... and especially her stated goal at the end.
There were fairly detailed reports on Balet's incident. In South America there are no official mountain rescue organizations that would typically publish an accident report, so details would have to come from the people involved. That is not something they owe us/the public/ anyone, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
What other factor would there be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
Why not? The people involved only owe us the stoke-footage promoting avalanche terrain skiing that comes when bullets are dodged but not honest accounting when things turn out bad? So basically we just get a fantasy version of how cool and rad the sport is but none of the reality of the dangers? And we can't even learn any lessons that might be on hand for those who ski avalanche terrain. What if this tragedy was the result of line selection with a bad terrain trap at the bottom making timely rescue not feasible?Quote:
Originally Posted by klar
I'm not sure since I'm not in that realm but some ideas that come to mind:Quote:
Originally Posted by klar
- Maybe its just that the actual cost of this level of terrain and snow conditions comes due eventually and comes due randomly and in clusters.
- Not female specific but I feel like one thing I notice is the young pro hubris arc. A subset oung pros get into the sport, win some comps, get some accolades, sponsorships, paid heli-adventures, etc. While they are unquestionably good skiers/boarders, do they have the mountaineering knowledge to understand the risks and decisions they make or are they just cruising on their skiing skills rather than avalanche knowledge and skill at avoiding avy danger and then boom something like this happens.
- I wonder what the interactions at the Heli Guide/Pro level are? Do the guides effectively defer to the pro's in terms of whether slopes should be skied?
I don't think they 'owe' us stoke footage either. A lot of pro skiers have spoken about the risks involved in the sport (one good example is just a few pages back in this thread) and yes, of course it is important that these risks are communicated instead of just showing the fantasy version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
What I'm trying to say is I don't think people involved in an accident are obligated to share their experience, whether or not they are professional skiers. While some may be up to the public scrutiny and criticism this inevitably seems to bring, others may not and I think this is a personal matter for them to decide. It would help if public discussion of incidents did not turn into ugly competitions of armchair quaterbacking as much as they do.
Regarding the other point, I was referring to the female specific question (maybe I misunderstood your original comment on that). I totally agree that there are a lot of varied reasons why accidents happen.
I do, but only in the immediate sense if it could prevent harm to others. Like reporting your incident to the local avalanche center. Not doing so to save ego is about as lame as it gets IMO. We've had a few incidents like that in Tahoe in recent years, I won't mention names.Quote:
Originally Posted by klar
Man this one hurts. Matilda was so kind and humble, and a smart skier too. Crushing. As always words here are meaningless.
Exactly the opposite. The guide's job is to say no. Repeatedly, if necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
I do not see an obligation ro share any experiences. I am curious on where the Maxiim Arsenault avalanche happened. Reports were anywhere from Fairweather to Pleasant camp to Haines Pass.
Commercial operations absolutely have an obligation to report.
I had friends heli skiing in the same area last year. They were green lit to ski a run, seconds before the whole ridge slid to the ground.
are you referring to the Haines Pass areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
reporting incidents to avalanche centers - sure, always a good idea. heli ops should be made to report to someone - fair enough (in south america: who though?)Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
personally sharing what happened with "the internet" or whoever else when avalanche centers and official accident reports are not available (e.g. in south america): if there is immediate relevance to other people, it should be shared with those people. Otherwise: imo whatever the affected person feels is right for them.
An interesting variation of this discussion is the situation in Italy: triggering avalanches is per se "illegal" and there can be actual legal consequences (pretty high fines, technically jail time), whether or not something happened is not relevant. At the very least, this makes people think twice about calling things in to the local avalanche centers.
No, outside of Ferrellones.Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
thank's was wondering, I spent last winter skiing Haines Pass. Saw the face of Nadahini get remotely released from the bottom ,couple was very lucky. Same day earlier friends remotely released something heading up Guardsman. Returned in February and the snowpack had deteriorated further. I left but I imagine someone was still hyping that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead