What is up with the shitty oem tires. Just got the lady a new 2019 Forester and these things are just cheap. Will probably end up getting her Blizzaks or something similar if anyone has any recommendations, first Subaru.Attachment 258053
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What is up with the shitty oem tires. Just got the lady a new 2019 Forester and these things are just cheap. Will probably end up getting her Blizzaks or something similar if anyone has any recommendations, first Subaru.Attachment 258053
The purpose of OEM tires is to keep the rims off the ground until the check clears at the dealership. Those tires pictured are beyond horrible on a Subaru in wet snow and ice. I have had good luck with the higher rated Tire Rack tires over the years on various Outbacks. General Tire Altimax Arctic (w/o studs) are what I am running now which have been great so far. Mounted snows ready to go are very easy to swap in the late fall and spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewd
I think another reason why Subaru puts on the tires that they do on their cars is to help hit the highest possible fuel economy ratings, for cars that has several things working against them in that department. When I put some Geolander G015s (good compromise tire, dry road-worthy, rated to 50K miles or so, but actually has "snowflake" rating, and a somewhat dirt-favorable tread) on my Outback recently, I noticed a slight decrease in my MPG, all conditions being similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talisman
I’ve been happy with my Michelin X-Ice that I just got. Much better road manners. Always been a blizzak guy, but they didn’t have the right size this time. I’ve found buying rims usually about pay for themselves within a couple years and means you can swap out tires on your own schedule, plus reduces the wear and tear of mounting/remounting.
You mean his political career?Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
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OEM tires are whoever bid the lowest. Remember when Ford put those people-killing tires on those Explorers? They were like 1/2 ply, tissue belted. IIRC the Prius and it’s ilk had tires for mileage not another shitboxes.
Re: shit oem - I just replaced the shit oem tires on my Tiguan with some 3PMSF tires. Coincidentally, I picked up a nail on the way to the tire place and drove in with a flat.
Michelin Crossclimate SUVs, I’m looking forward to see how these do on snow.
OEM tires are the smoothest, lightest tires they can find to maximize mpg for CAFE standards.
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Just threw a set of Blizzak WS80 snows on the 18" alloys that came with my GTI. Happy so far, if anything a bit quieter than the OEM Pirellis. Going to go 19s and Michelin PS4S come spring.
Truth!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
Get cheap steels and mount the Haks on those.
Finns are best at two things, killing Russians and making snow tires.
Got new Hakkapeliitta R3's this year. Last year on r2s. From memory, the R3's seem better in snow and ice but not as good in dry. Really grippy on slick surfaces so far. When they do slide it is pretty predictable and linear.
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I have blizzak dmv2's on my wife's SUV. We have been pleased with them.
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Not sure about the Russian killing but they DO make the best snow tiresQuote:
Originally Posted by SB
those Finns are crazy they will drink to oblivion and the second highest population of Fins in the world is in Thunderbay Ontario
IME steelies pay for themselves in < 3 yrs
for snow tires or booze or to kill russians?
bit of a high overhead woosh there eh
2 tire changes a year adds up and in < 3 years you are ahead,
I've had the same steelies on 2 different cars since 2001 so i'm way ahead
I understand alcohol is heavily taxed in Finland so they go on booze-bus excursions to Russia
Your stock is a 225/60R17 or 27.6". I know people have put 225/65R17 which is a 28.5" without rubbing which means you can (and should) definitely do a 215/65R17 which is a 28" tire with narrowed section width for better snow performance, particularly in slush or if you drag a wheel in snow like when changing lanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewd
Now, you might be able to get a 215/70R17 which is a 28.9" and would fit an Outback alright, and this would get you an additional 0.6" of ground clearance over stock, but I don't know if Foresters are OK with that. I'm sure minor mod would solve any rubbing if there was any.
Whether you do 215/70R17 or 215/65R17, its going to offer you a noticeable boost in stability over a 225. Now, who makes real snow tires that are awesome and in those sizes?
Blizzak DMV2 (both sizes), Hakka R3 SUV (65 only), and Michy Xi3 (65 only)
Thanks Summit, I've been eyeing the hakkas for her. Will probably end up with those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
They do booze boats too!Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
When I took the ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn, everyone was talking about doing a little shopping and a ton of drinking. Finns can drink. Vana Tallinn is a good thing to drink. On the overnight ferry from Tallinn to Stockholm, everyone was freakin hammered and dancing while they played ski movies.
My brother drove my CRV with Hakka 8s in the Donner pass shit show Saturday. His reaction was holy shit, these things are awesome.
I think they are trying to get you to yank their lug nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
No prob! They are sweet tires no doubt. I keep buying the DMV2 because when it comes time to buy the tires, I ask myself "is the Hakka 20% better? because it costs 20% more!" then I buy the Blizzaks. I don't buy the Xice3 (competitively priced to DMV2) because it has significantly less usable tread than the Blizzaks (Hakkas are inbetween).Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewd
Please explain. Are you talking ice tread depth? X-Ice are grippy on ice for many miles after Blizzak ice compound wears off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Tread DepthQuote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
10.5/32 on Xi3
13/32 on blizzaks (special compound which wears off at when you are less than 6/32)
I want to change my snows out after 6/32 anyway because even though 4/32 complies with the law, it sucks in soft or slush snow.
That means that Blizzaks give 7/32 of consumable tread depth while Xi3 gives 4.5/32. Even if you change your Blizzaks at 6/32 and rode your Xi3 to 4/32, and the Blizzaks always have deeper avg tread depth during that tire life.
Also, since I can do a 215/70 Blizzak instead of a 215/65 Xi3 on an Outback, I just gained 3% more treadlife and 1/4" of extra ground clearance for the same relative price (the 70 Blizzaks are actually a few bucks cheaper than the 65s).
found the xi2 went more miles than the blizzak and was a better handling tire. don’t remember what gen the blizzaks were.
i liked my last cheap chinese summers so much i might give a sichuan a winter try too. those haide’s come with the flavor crystals
Yeah, finding cheap steel wheels is easier said than done these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
More to it than simply tread depth, though. The macro pattern is the feature that addresses slush and rain movement to the outside edges of the tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Look at the tread layout difference between the X-ice and the DMV2... the Michelin is a better "commute to the mountains" tire as it wears longer and handles better on wet and dry roads. It moves water and slush outwards very well. And grips pretty well on ice and light snow once you're there.
A bit, but I'm talking about grippy ice tread. Once Blizzak ice tread wears off, it's a truly shitty tire for any conditions. IME, the bigger issue is significantly more durable X-ice tread: X-Ice will have ample tread many miles after Blizzaks are shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
FTR, I have had and currently have X-Ice and Blizzaks, am a fan of both and acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of each.
Agree, although DMV2 is an improvement over older Blizzak tread designs for dry and wet (but so is X-Ice 3 vs. 2). X-Ice is the better all-rounder. Based on driving both day after day, on this side of the mountains there's no clear winner, although I personally give the edge to X-Ice because they last longer and they drive better on dry pavement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
The latest generation of Blizzaks (WS-80 & DM-V2) handle a lot better than their predecessors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
IME I could never find used steelies up here in the frozen narth so it was easiest to just buy them from the tire store at 70-100 $Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Nokians through Barnsley on Folsom & Pearl. They'll match Tire Rack's pricing in general (Tire Rack doesn't sell Nokian). They're also one of their authorized installers.Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewd
All this, and you're buying local too !
They're typically incredibly busy this time of year, (doh!).
I'd also seriously consider x-ices.
Blizzaks? If you like minimal mileage (read up on half the tread and throw it out).
I really like most all of Summit's posts, but have no idea about the relevance of initial tread depth to longevity. Blizzaks are the absolute worst, and even their biggest fans will tell you that.
... Thom
Having driven the DMV1 then the DMV2, I agree, DMV2 huge improvement of road handling... and they've improved the DMV2 over the original DMV2 without issuing a new model name (note the speed rating went from R to S).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tortoise
I agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Xi3 vs DMV2 vs Hakka R3SUV
https://www.tirerack.com/images/tire...xi3_pdptrd.jpghttps://www.tirerack.com/images/tire...mv2_pdptrd.jpghttps://61.img.avito.st/640x480/4771184361.jpg
Also agree here:
I think the DMV2 is a better extreme winter tire with its extra sipping for packed snow and ice and more open tread to handle slush and soft snow. It is worth it to me, but I am not driving a lot of highway commuter miles or miles at 55F+ in the city while its snow in the mountains. Remember snow tires have severely accelerated wear rates at higher temps (and I suspect Blizzaks are the worst for this). The DMV2 is a better dry road tire than the DMV1. Maybe not as good as the Michelin.Quote:
the Michelin is a better "commute to the mountains" tire as it wears longer and handles better on wet and dry roads.
I haven't driven a Nokian since I drove a Hakka Q on a rental (predecessor to the R/R2 now R3). I believe that Nokian has has similar progression with road handling without sacrificing the "extreme winter first" functionality. (Cornering on Q rated snows was an exercise in squigly wiggly!)
I've also driven quite nice road handling "performance snow tires" like the Dunolop Wintersport 2 and 3D plus some Pirelli Sotozeros that do great on dry/wet pavement even at high speed and still hold their own in the snow.
Gear swap x-post, I have a full set+spare of Wintercat SSTs in 235/70R16 in excellent condition for sale, plus. All 5 are mounted on dual-hole rims compatible with 5x114.3 or 5x108 bolt patterns. Mag priced at $300
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ires-235-70R16
Bridgestone $70 visa card promotion ends tonite at 2359 hrs
Anyone near Albany NY and need a set of Nokian Hakka's in 225/55 18? A friend up there runs a tire shop and found a brand new set that he cant sell due to the date code. Offered them to me, but i dont have a car that they fit. Shoot me a PM if interested and i can help coordinate pickup
found a HAKKAPELIITTA 8 in my size this morning. they felt good, though it was hard to resist the pull of the healer rubber it doesn’t matter as much over a couple winters and hopefully kick ass in the snow.
would not recommend the yokos- i put them on in november and they just never felt great
My first choice Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice WRT studded were sold out for the year. I went with Hakkapilliita 9.
I got some Duratracs AT tires with the mountain snowflake mark for this season on my Jeep Grand Cherokee. They are great in packed snow and unplowed deep stuff, but on ice they seem a little sketchy. Could just be a SUV thing but it seems like the Jeep wants to fishtail in ice.
HA... I feel like every jeep I have been in loved doing doughnuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitanokaseifu
IME a 4 door 4runer with high CG/short WB would give me a half doz brown pants instance's a winter season running at highway speed, where the truck would be scaring the hell out of me
whereas an ex cab PU has a longer WB so thing happen much slower ... maybe its the short wheelbase ?