yes, they'd like the chance to pose at wanting to help while actually legitimating the practiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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yes, they'd like the chance to pose at wanting to help while actually legitimating the practiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Guns aren't the problem, cops aren't the problem, they are manifestations of the problem.
The problem is the piss poor society we've created, particularly around the edges. What do we value ? Not what do we say we value but what we actually reward. Making money and safety, not actually being safe but our perception of being safe.
Our system rewards profit by almost any means, you can do terrible terrible things to your fellow humans as long as you make money because that's the singular self defined purpose of what we do here. Nearly everything is evaluated with economic glasses, we have created an industry around law enforcement, when people can make money through civil forfeiture and incarceration, etc etc you've effectively incentiveized people into acting like dicks because the goal isn't crime reduction it's making money. The police aren't good or bad, they are a business because of this they have tremendous incentive to actively seek profit vehicles like DUI and traffic stops in shitty parts of town. That isn't fighting crime, very little actual proactive crime fighting occurs because that shit is expensive and difficult. Why go after the big drug players when you can just pop poor generally non-white people and get them in the system. Fine them something they can't afford, every time they can't pay the money that they don't have add more money and when they don't pay that throw them in your buddies for profit jail. Have you improved the crime situation ? Are you actively preventing crime ? Of course not but that isn't the goal of our system, that's the lie we tell ourselves to justify endless stupid bullshit.
We also value saftey, certainly reasonable but not actual saftey but rather the perception of saftey. We are safe, America is a great place to live, there has never been a better time to be alive, in every possible metric now is the safest best time to be alive. Yet we act as if the opposite was true. You have X % of the population that is convinced the 60's were way safer although they were considerably more dangerous, you have x% of the population that is convinced a rapist, kidnapper, murder, pedo is right around the corner waiting for a 1/4 second slip up to steal their kid and rape their family even though all of that is just incredibly rare. Never mind that they will drive all over hell talking to their bff suzy on a cell phone while doing 70 in a 45 paying zero attention. This is driven by basic ways in which the human brain works and because big surprise lots of people make lots of money if your a scared little POS, driven to crazy positions on issues by nothing more than delusional fear. We all colectivelyh shit our pants over a bunch of dumb farmers from the ME to the tune of trillions of dollars and 100000's of lives but can't get 10 dollars for shit that actually improves our situation because you know socialism or something else stupid.
That shit is hard right so we aren't going to do it. It's way easier to have racist old white guys pretend the problem is poor black males are for white SJW's to pretend all cops everywhere are racist shitholes hell bent on shooting everyone. They are both and neither.
What we can do that is quick, painless and will help to some degree is one body cameras for urban police officers. This helps everyone including the officers. Two stop selling them our surplus military equipment, the military for all it's faults is a well trained, disciplined force who actually understands what is going on a far higher level than the police. If an army dude in Iraq points his gun at someone it's because he's going to shoot them, here in America you have johnny fucking I got C's through high school and have a tiny dick waving tricked out surplus military gear at everyone and anyone.
I thought that, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
But, talking to one of my buddies in law school he said that by allowing the cops to use my phone to call my friend I consented to them searching the phone. still seems like bullshit given the fact that I was in handcuffs and the ultimatum was to either let them use my phone or go to detox.
"Retiree dies in police custody after traffic stop"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible...florida-death/
Last Updated Dec 17, 2014 8:10 AM EST
"In May, a routine traffic stop turned deadly for a Michigan retiree, but cell phone video seemed to contradict police accounts of the event.
As in other cases involving allegations of excessive force by police, a grand jury called to look into Charles Eimers' death chose not to indict the officers. Now, a new video is raising questions about what that grand jury didn't see, CBS News' Elaine Quijano reports."
Attorney: Did you ever see any sand on his face?
Officer Nicholas Galbo: No.
Attorney: Ever?
Galbo: No.
Attorney: Did you ever see his face?
Galbo: Yes.
Officer Gabriel Garrido: His face was not face down. His face was to the side.
Attorney: When you were at the scene with Mr. Eimers, was he bleeding?
Officer Thaddeus Calvert: Not that I didn't see any obvious signs of like, bleeding.
But not long after taking that sworn testimony, Eimers' attorneys discovered a new video, with a close-up of Eimers after he lost consciousness covered in sand and bleeding from his right ear.
In the video, Nicholas Galbo can be seen, the same officer who said under oath that he never saw sand on Eimers face."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/key-west...-eimers-death/
As usual you are right on the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmadaBC
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-prose...000602852.html
Aaaand witness 40 was officially full of shit, according to Wilsons defense attorney, Bob M. So weird..
"While investigators doubted her story, McCulloch said the woman was allowed to testify because “early on, I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything would be presented to the grand jury.”
^Smoke screen and typical bs.
Oopsie Daisy... Hate when that happens...Especially with a former weapons instructor...
"Police Chief Who ‘Accidentally’ Shot His Wife Twice Had Been Divorced By Her, and Caught Cheating"
"....McCollom has told investigators that it wasn’t him, but instead his Glock service pistol that “automatically” shot his wife Margaret… twice, according to local CBS 46."...
"McCollom has been placed on paid administrative leave but has not been arrested."
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/0...ally-divorced/
Super Cops behaving badly ....
"FBI says search warrants not needed to use “stingrays” in public places"
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation is taking the position that court warrants are not required when deploying cell-site simulators in public places. Nicknamed "stingrays," the devices are decoy cell towers that capture locations and identities of mobile phone users and can intercept calls and texts."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...public-places/
So you see here, if we simply constrain some of your rights.. (insert remainder of ends justify means drivel).
In the Intelligence Squared debate on spying, John Yoo (author of the Torture Memos to the CIA) argues that as soon as we share our data with a third party we lose any expectation or right to privacy. If you use a cell phone, it's not private.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo
http://intelligencesquaredus.org/deb...urth-amendment
Cash for pre pay 30 day phone. New phone/number when it runs out.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Private as fuck.
Private as Fuck?... I doubt using a prepay phone keeps your signal private.
When I shared my phone convo's through ma bell they needed a warrant, or at least they pretended to. If I send a letter, does that mean I am sharing it with a third party, USPS, and they can open my mail any time they see fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Used to be that FBI would need a warrant to listen in or intercept with a reasonable cause. Now the FBI and your local PD's are listening in, reading your texts etc. willy nilly....
Good times.
They are? Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
"The trial was in the morning and they drug me out of bedQuote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
Asked me how I pleaded, not guilty I said
Not guilty I said, you've got the wrong man
Nothing touched the trigger but the devil's right hand." S. Earle
Sure is nice to know cops can shoot people with impunity on or off the job now. W T F !Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
High on my list of "People I Wouldn't Be Sad To Hear Had Been Hit By A Bus Or Eaten By A Grizzly Bear"Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Well, according to that article they are and want to expand their ability to do so. Per the Snowden documents the NSA sure as shit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Tipp, I bet you would be a kick ass journalist or writer though, but you missed this tidbit. Basically they gather all the information at a location and weed out what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Here was the speculation of fact;
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...public-places/
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation is taking the position that court warrants are not required when deploying cell-site simulators in public places. Nicknamed "stingrays," the devices are decoy cell towers that capture locations and identities of mobile phone users and can intercept calls and texts."
Why does the signal need to be private, if the user is completely anonymous?Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrac
There is a small but important difference between "CAN intercept calls and texts" and "ARE intercepting calls and texts." I can legally buy a gun and could possibly shoot you in the face, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by DasBlunt
With copper wire they could have intercepted any phone call as well, but only did so with a warrant. This tech is just bringing that capability into the wireless world.
LOL @ tippster. Just wow.
http://www.wired.com/2014/03/stingray/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...il-fbi-attempt
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/dec/22...-stingray-doc/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...snooping.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...olice/3902809/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...-warrant.shtml
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...83112723197574
http://news.yahoo.com/police-keep-qu...--finance.html
"The Police Department had only made public a heavily redacted purchase order for $33,000, but Electronic Frontier found the city’s grant application. It showed that in 2009 the Police Department applied for $738,000 to buy the Stingray. The device works by mimicking cellphone towers. By capturing signals from targeted cellphones, police can obtain locations, outgoing calls, text messages and other information."Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
WSJ...2011...
"Stingrays are one of several new technologies used by law enforcement to track people's locations, often without a search warrant."
"Stingrays are designed to locate a mobile phone even when it's not being used to make a call."
I can track an iphone, but I have to know the person's number. LEO would have to know the number they are looking for.
A pre-paid phone bought with cash, and changed out every 30 days, is the "safest" way to do criminal shit over the phone. Granted there are more anonymous ways of communication through shared email accounts, and whatnot.
I could care less if someone is listening to my calls or getting my texts, because I obey the law.
Getting real sick of hearing Americans say that for justification to infringe on our rights. You give up these rights, you never get them back, and even programs like this can, and will be, abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
Those willing to surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. -Ben Franklin
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Given that there are security cameras everywhere--if you know the location of the phone and it's in a public place chances are you can figure out who's using it. Or you just follow people and record their calls--as in The Wire (but they had warrants). And if it's in a private place--well you know who owns/rents the place.
Doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative--when the government acts in secrecy bad things happen. When anyone acts in secrecy bad things happen--how many of us wouldn't cheat on our taxes or our wives if we were sure of getting away with it. Requiring warrants at least makes sure there's another set of eyes watching what the government is doing. As far as having nothing to worry about if you obey the law--let the government have unbridled power and pretty soon we're all criminals.
I don't agree with it, but I am also not about to move because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat
Nor am I naive enough to think, it hasn't been happening for a long time.
Shittin rocks.
I don't get your point. Are you saying this is different than what they could do back in the copper wire and snail mail world? How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by doughboyshredder
I'm all for changing the FISA rules, but that's up to us to do via our Congressional representatives -- actually it's up to you. I have no representation in Congress. Good luck w/that.
The copper wire and snail mail world required warrants. This is different because they are saying that if they place a stingray in a public place, they don't need a warrant to use any of the data the device collects. This effectively means any communication sent to or from any cell phone within the stringray's range can be monitored without a warrant. In an age when a large and rapidly growing percentage of calls and other communications are made on cell phones, that's fucking scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
I read it that simply placing the stingrays is within the law, just as installing taps at the phone junctions was within the law in the wired days. Collecting more than call meta-data, which every provider already collects and has since the invention of the telephone, still needs a warrant. Hey - we'll see what the courts decide. Good thing that we have a law-writing body that can modify current law as necessary. (HAH)
Is that anything like "I tried it, but I didn't inhale"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Just the tip.
"Extended Tamir Rice shooting video shows officers restrained sister"
Callous much..
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...incart_m-rpt-1
Wow. Standing around shooting the shit while a 12-year old bleeds out? Zero attempt at first aide? This was a boy. If they were not going to help the kid at least let the sister.
Riding right the fuck up on him? That will escalate things. Why not use the street? Keep a safer distance to see what is going on before putting themselves in harms way seems safer for all. I'd rather be 50 ft from a gunman instead of 10. From 50 feet away I think you can make a better determination on whether you are in imminent danger for your life. Or am I crazy?
The cop who shot him was fired from his last job for being a fuck head and other depts refused to hire him. Bad move city of Cleveland.
This one keeps getting worse the more I think about it.
I hate this.
I was told at a Christmas party that the police are not to blame for these deaths.
I was told that the blame lies with the people who don't respect authority.
After gentle conversation I rejoined with the assertion that the real root cause is a lack of respect, not for authority, but simply for each other.
Every crucible of consciousness produces different variations.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
"NO Knock" joke...
"Kn..BANG!"
"A SWAT Raid Based On Faulty Information Kills a Man Over His ‘Huge Stash.’ Worth Maybe All of $2."
"....When the SWAT team broke down his door, at the permission of a no-knock warrant, Westcott reached for his gun to protect himself from what he thought were robbers. He was met by a wave of gunfire by the SWAT agents, and died in his home."...
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/2320...y-information/
^^^love the cop in the comments saying that the cops did nothing wrong.
This shit's only gonna get crazier. People are getting pissed off and the cops know it and feel threatened. Escalation almost guaranteed.
^ "Montana cop breaks down in tears after shooting unarmed man"Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Followed up by ..."Montana officer, Grant Morrison, shoots and kills his second unarmed man. No charges in either case." ... Whos crying now?