I love Tiger but this is a sweetheart deal. He needs to DQ himself. Faldo is saying it perfectly right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICEHOCEY77
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I love Tiger but this is a sweetheart deal. He needs to DQ himself. Faldo is saying it perfectly right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICEHOCEY77
Brandel Chamblee is killing him.
What a rookie mistake Tiger!!!
It seems that ESPN is supporting the decision while TGC is hammering him. Follow the money?
Caddy should be fired.
So f-ing true!Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorboy
Harrington rule.....no issues
Some players seem ok while others don't. Whole thing is a shame, he isn't winning 5 back anyway.
I think if it was some bullshit roundabout thing where it was clear they didn't want to DQ Tiger because of who he is that's one thing, but he is evidently within this new rule. It sucks that I lost some money on Sergio a few years back because of scorecard issue that now would have been fine, but he was DQ'd, but hey, que vas a hacer?
Honestly, with everything so accounted for, aside from calling the penalties on yourself, should the golfers really still be responsible for their scores anymore? They have signs following them all over the place, they have the leader board. They obviously know what everyone is shooting.
The new rule is a 2-stroke penalty, he takes the penalty and plays on, what's the problem?
Going back a few:wink: years ago when I used to caddie some of the older members would complain about how slow Nicklaus was...guess it's all relative I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by guroo270
Chamblee Is a smug douche
....pants on fire....hanging from a telephone wire.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
If there's ever been a fire in his belly, I bet it's today....especially if the course stays soft (actually teeing off an hour or so earlier will most likely benefit him).
QFTMFT...especially for a player that did relatively little (1 win) while on the tour.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
FWIW, the shot Tiger hit that is creating all this controversy was actually one hell of a shot. It's not unreasonable to think that he could have very well made 4 on the hole, certainly nothing worse than 5...the fact that he wound up with a frosty is a pretty stiff penalty for making a good shot.
Uh, no. It was when he broke the rules to improve his next shot. He should withdraw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Bimble
I thought the new rule was basically to keep unknown infractions that were called in by tv viewers from dq'ing a player. In this case he admitted it in an interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
This is not an obscure rule, it's basic: what are your 3 options when your ball is lost in a hazard. He mixed two of them together. Dumb dumb dumb.
Maybe I should have said "started" instead of "created"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
For sure, for that matter the shot he hit AFTER the drop was awesome!!! But he admitted going back behind his previous shot to not hit the pin again. Without that statement the 2shot penalty would have been appropriate. With it, DQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Bimble
A sad day for golf. Cheating is allowed at the discretion of the tournament committee. He knew he was dropping EXACTLY two yards back from the original spot. He should have known the simple rules for dropping. I can't believe he factored in the new rule and thought " I'm TW and the green jacketed members will back me."
Bobby Jones is rolling over in his grave.
i don't believe he factored in the new rule, i believe he mixed up the drop rules and his caddy didn't correct him. Rookie mistake, but if he has any integrity he should withdraw.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
I consider myself a pretty staunch traditionalist, but I'm finding myself siding with NCAA bracket champ GB on this one. The committee met with him to go over it before he signed his card, and the committee made a ruling, then he signed the card.
I also think that during the greatest mentally challenging moment and triumph I've ever seen - hitting a great shot, hitting the stick, ball bounds in the water just as he's making his charge for the lead, and to stick another shot to 2 feet - the one thing he didn't take note of was that the ball entered the hazard on a different line, and that he couldn't take the ball as far back as he wanted from the point of entry. Dude shoulda made 4, took an 8. A hefty penalty if you ask me, and he's taking the penalty that is assessed to him, no questions. What more do you want from the guy? It's a new fucking rule... so what? Would you like to DQ every person who took a lateral drop in a red staked area because they started out only having yellow staked hazards?
the rule he broke is one of the oldest ones isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by guroo270
Hey if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin.
wait that's baseball. close enough.
If the ball had gone directly in the water, he could have taken the ball back as far as he wanted. He mixed up two rulings and made a mistake, a rookie mistake, and he's being penalized heavily for it.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be DQ'd...I just hate to see someone get penalized for hitting a GOOD shot. That said, TW's hit some miraculous shots over the years that involved a certain level of good fortune to them...bottom rail on top this time I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by guroo270
if the standard is "near as possible" is it a drop or do you place it? If a drop, wouldn't you actively have to TRY and drop it just behind the divot?
You could argue that you have to try to drop it in the divot, like if your ball plugs on a wet day, you literally have to try to drop it in the pitch mark. It's stupid. I know that one includes a penalty and one does not, but for the most part, when you incur a penalty, 99% of the time you get two club lengths. I understand that this rule with this option does not, but it should be within two club lengths.
That's what he should have done. Even if he had dropped it ON the divot and it rolled back 2 yards he would have had to drop it again to try and get it as close as possible, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jfost
If he would have dropped within a foot nobody would have said a peep. When he said he went back to improve his next shot he hung himself with his own words.
Nah, if it rolled no closer to the hole it'd be fine. When you are trying to drop it within two club lengths and it rolls more than two clubs away 3 times you get to place it, which is why sometimes you'll see pros dropping where it definitely will roll out of that area so they can place it.
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Originally Posted by Tye 1on
This is true. Hell, even with the drop he did take, if he hadn't said anything he would have been fine. That's what the initial, pre score card signing meeting was about. They reopened it when he opened his mouth.
I had a similar situation last week. Hit an 80yd, 3/4 PW fat and into a pond fronting the green. I liked the distance and the swing so I opted to play from where I was rather than move closer or to the drop zone as entitled by the rules. Hit it to 10'. It's almost always better to repeat a "feel" swing IMO. Tiher should have known the rule and if it was a brain fart on his part, that's part of the game too.
I will admit that I don't feel TV review has any part in the game but Tiger continues to give me a reason to have no respect for him in or out of golf.
You don't respect him in golf?? I understand the out of golf part, but, lord, we're talking about possibly the greatest ever. A self centered ass who cheats an eentsy bit, but, still.
Where are you guys seeing that they discussed the penalty with him before he signed his card? From what I remember reading the articles this morning it sounded like the committee assessed the penalty after he signed the card.
If that is the case, that he signed an incorrect card, despite the "saving rule" for inadvertent or missed mistakes/penalties, then the discussion is moot, no? DQ.
If they did discuss it with him before he signed then I guess I just wasted a lot of time typing this out on the damn iPad screen.
This is what i thought i heard. A tv viewer called it in after he signed, and they assessed the two stroke penalty. They reopened it after he opened his mouth, but took no action BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY RULED. Which is bullshit. When he admitted it was intentional, to improve his next shot, imho that is different than 'accidentally' dropping a bit further back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
[the bluetooth keyboard is a great investment w/iPad...;)]
I watched the press conference with the Masters head rules guy. He said the caller called in WHILE Tiger was on the course, they reviewed it WITH Tiger before he signed his card, but they didn't really discuss it with him, just a review. During this review the officials didn't see a problem with his drop being a little behind his original shot. He signed a "correct" score card that had been ruled and reviewed by the committee.
Then, as the lead official guy they held this conference with this morning, he said he was eating dinner when he got word of Tiger's post round, post signing interview, where he said he purposely (and he thought legally) a couple yards back. He went back to Augusta National and they decided to talk to Tiger this morning where they discussed it again, and Tiger, upon further reflection saw the error in his ways and agreed he should be assessed the penalty. He said Tiger was very forthcoming with everything and agreeable, which is the reason the committee decided not to DQ him, and that any other golfer who had acted the way Tiger did would not have been DQ'd.
The official guy was asked on his third question if he had conversation about the drop with Tiger. He said he did not, they just ruled it was fine, partly because Tiger told his caddy to stay where he was to not lose the spot, and the caddy never moved.
The fourth question by the same guy was, "Don't you think, in retrospect that you should have had a conversation with him about it?" His answer was, "There are things I wish I had done differently every single day of my life."
Ok, the rules dude just said to Nance on CBS that they didn't make the call until early this morning - after he signed his card. (And also that Tiger's statements about trying to take a couple yards off were what made them more concerned and confirmed that he had to be penalized).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
I stand by my comment - he signed an illegal card and the mental gymnastics being performed to make that fact shoehorn somehow into the new "oversight" rule are a joke.
[im going to have to look into that Bluetooth keyboard thanks!]
EDIT: pretty much what Guruu posted while I was posting too. I just don't think that this would have been handled the same had it been Carl Spackler from Bushwood instead of Tiger Woods from Jupiter Island.
Was it DasCunt that called it in? He likes ruining peoples day/life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
For me to consider him the greatest golfer ever he would have had to DQ'd himself. I'll say he is the most skilled player ever. In a game where honor is part of the rules and history he fails as a "golfer". But I am old school and still trying to understand the "cheating is only cheating if your caught" mentality in sports and life today. IF he wins today and IF he passes Jack, this call will be argued for generations of golfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Watching this golfing history unfold sorta makes up for the fact that I'm watching the Masters instead of enjoying the 15" of powder that fell on the mountain 20 min away. Guess I'll ski tonight's 15" tomorrow.
x2, although we only got 9" so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
his attitude kept him from being DQ'd? That's even more fucked. The rules are the rules. It's the heart of the game.
Clam down, take a sip of your hatorade, and read above for the full story. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier