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Originally Posted by neufox47
as stated earlier.............MENTAL ILLNESS.
no comment on the family and their dynamic :eek:
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Originally Posted by neufox47
as stated earlier.............MENTAL ILLNESS.
no comment on the family and their dynamic :eek:
It's not that I'm delusional, it's that you live life in a mental straight jacket and probably beyond quick help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
I think you showed this with your "first post" here before you could even had time to watch the whole video.
Your homosexual hand needs to be held all the way to the lift line on your new Heart Carvers.
Bottleman - I think you're onto something here. If Heartcarving was so good, why aren't people doing it... why was it left up to some Jewish "supergaper" who did most of his skiing in his childhood and teenage years. I'm not sure, it's part of the mystique I guess. Well, one does require solitude for deep thinking, and something to think about. But it shouldn't be important. What's important is the feeling you get and if it takes you to a new and better level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottleman
About sitting back... I've had that critique from an instructor... it happens naturally, the poles are a dead weight behind so there'll be a compensation when you hold them. And with long skis at front you can push forward without worrying about tipping forward. I see poles as like training wheels on a bike come to think of it. I mean ffs who does a friggin "pole plant?"
Secondly, about the groomers... do you hold it against Kelly Slater that he's not a big wave surfer? Each to their own. For me, I want speed (not the drug) and lots of it in the time I get on the hill. Doing a hike and powder 8s just doesn't cut it for me. I don't want to float on air, I want to shred and track. If I can get all this on a blue run.. then more power to the blue run. Actually, I do want pow, I have nothing against it, it just hasn't been my style or in my worldview. What's your average speed on your bluebird powder day?
I think it's great that you are having such fun, but try and be a little more aware of other slope users. Speed isn't everything.
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Originally Posted by buckethead
"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured, or far away. "
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_...#39;_originate
Rock on buddy.
Actually, speed just comes naturally with heart carving. I don't really want the speed specifically, but I end up at terminal velocity anyway much of the time. You'd be pleased to know I had no collisions with anyone at all. And no tail clips either.Quote:
Originally Posted by peds
terminal velocity eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
Where is Jong Slaughter when you need him to deal with the gapers and/or unfunny trolls. Also awarding this guy with GSA is an insult to the GSA.
Essentially all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay P
More of a shoot the messenger type guy, eh? Jongy should be onto you, not me dipshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by prokeke
no. this is not happening. we're not allowing you to make your own state of cognitive dissonance a religious or a cultural thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
wholeHEARTedly comparing yourself to kelly slater ? ffffffffff not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
Btw, way to increase your post count. I'm joining the game. Please don't tell me I need to cut off my skis.
Yes. Poles are a deadweight. They weigh SO MUCH:eek:. I have no idea why they are still used in every form of competition. My average speed on a powder>yours on groomers. You cannot get going that fast on those lil boards. Ever wonder why DHers use skis in excess of 210 cms?Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
This chick is way better at heart carving. And she's probably on 210 cm boards. And she has poles.... Mind Blown!Quote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
That's obviously not heart carving.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleThor
No? Could have sworn... My feeble mind apparently cannot grasp the finer points of the heart carving paradigm.Quote:
Originally Posted by biff chalupa
Don't get down on yourself, I didn't get it at first either. I'm starting to understand, but I don't think I'll be a heart carver anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleThor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkP5q2NsGhc
something for the heart
Because they are not??? Get a Brain! Moran! Expand your horizons and open your HEART!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zj7fkilZLo
http://youtu.be/VavC2-u-xvI
http://youtu.be/gcxGJ16RS3U
:)
Moguls, racing, nordic, rando, big mountain, slopestyle, etc.
Forgive me for generalizing.
I forgive you.
2 feet of pow at Schwietzer this morning, maybe I should leave the poles and take the 98cm Heads Liners instead of the 184 Grocer so I can make turns from the center of gravity in my upper chest?
Some very poignant points raised and I am going to address them (welcome herr!)
1) The first is pole use: were they not highly important when skis were long planks of wood without metal sidecuts, when to get to the edge you'd lean up against it (stem-christie turn)? No one invented them by accident so why were they needed? It seems as time has gone on, less and less weight is placed on them, but they are still a comfort-zone for skiers in a few ways: a counter-weight to fling around, a general point of sensation, and probably most entrusted to use for moving across flat ground. The key video here is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTboYL8CjaU (World Cup GS Stars Free Skiing) I'd suggest to those guys they remove any basket on their pole to reduce drag, they probably don't need poles but are using them out of tradition and rules and see no harm in using them, but they could do without them. These GS stars are all potential heartcarvers, haha.
2) Ahh the Carving Cup. Very nice find Tunco and I have thought and known about it for some time. These are racers who've simply thrown away the poles and cut down the gates. Nothing wrong with it, but their style remains the same. The HC paradigm in a concrete definition would be defined by removing dependence on dropping the hip to get edge pressure. I still do it, and it's a good thing to do on icy slopes because if the ski slides out their is a fallback movement to drop the hip more (there is an equilibrium point to work around) - it's also not a particularly tiring movement: also seems to be a reactive lazy movement that one actively counteracts. But I don't do it automatically and depend on it like most skiers and particularly racers. Also, dropping the hip seems to work well with poles. Here's 2 photos of the hip drop: http://www.snowboardinginsider.net/w...ki-package.jpg http://www.phenixski.com/sponsorship..._ski_team2.jpg - if I am sitting back, what would you make of them? Their shins are up against the front of the boots, but they are still back. This guy here: I think he could be a heart carver on first look, little hip drop: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...i_1828779b.jpg
3) Difficulty: Biff - "I don't think I'll be a heart carver anytime soon" I'd agree here that there is a difficulty, learning and fear to overcome. It's a little scary to push through the fear barrier of being at terminal velocity most of the time (and without poles) but then again it's only on green or blue runs. There's also a ton of information to process. I personally consider those things to be good. I suppose it's like being on a rollercoaster, or dropping your wings back in an F-14 to get to Mach 2. A lot of great open-minded skiers here should try it and would be better for it.
4) Downhill. If they tried it on a ski board, the first thing they'd get is massive board chatter trying to cut a long radius turn at high speed and high pressure.... I personally am too risk averse for any sort of downhill and the speeds they obtain. The crashes are insane. But if I were to try, and given all the ice they hit, I'd be on 210+ skis and with poles for sure, dropping my hip right down and burning my quads up into putty. Heart carving is about having relaxed quads ideally and doing other things other than dropping the hip to get edge pressure.
Wow. Cannot believe I never thought of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
On second thought, they'd need the basket to push off at the start, but when off they should retract with a button James Bond style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Anal
If someone pushed them out, they could just hold some dumbells for the weight I suppose.
wow man, mind boggling depth of failQuote:
Originally Posted by adria33
1 Nobody has ever "leaned up against a pole" during a turn, remove the basket? have you ever seen racing poles
2 so if you don't drop the hip there's no recourse to drop the hip further?
it's obviously the fault of the poles that these guys are using a lazy reactive movement to pressure the edge.http://www.snowboardinginsider.net/w...ki-package.jpghttp://www.phenixski.com/sponsorship..._ski_team2.jpg
your an idiot, this isn't dropping a hip because he's dropping a knee free heel
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...i_1828779b.jpg
3 Oh the debilitating fear of "terminal" velocity on 125s, no wonder <3carving escapes us
4 I'd love to see 14 mins of you railing(I'm mean lift riding) 210s w/poles
you carry on relaxing buddy
Please explain your definition of 'terminal velocity'.
b0ardski - it's okay, you don't have to get hostile when things get intellectual
Could you also explain the difference between your heart carving vs an 8 year old with a little race training trying to make slalom turns?
Skis are about the same length. You cross the fall line ~the same amount(not at all). Neither use poles. Both equally lacking in self-awareness.
Heart carving=sliding turns then? Heart Sliding? Not sure how you can "work" a ski without dropping your hip even slightly..Carving requires hip drop. And I dont mean dropping it back like you do. I mean getting angulation of your hip toward the snow. Show me some video of a clean arc without dropping the hip even slightly.
Captain Anal - terminal velocity.. going as fast as you can in a straight line and then keeping that in a turn, and basically the whole run.
Minimizing the displacement of snow which transfers the momentum of the skier into that displaced snow.
Minimizing edge friction which transfers energy from skier into heat and duller edges.
Also, minimizing muscular tension which transfers energy away from the skier. This is probably the most important: being relaxed at speed. Not always easy.
But turning itself, especially shorter radius turns removes the forward velocity of the straight line, so in order to control speed I am turning more... that's another reason why shorter radius skis are better for heart carving... you're not going as fast because you're turning more and generally speaking I think that's safer.
"Both equally lacking in self-awareness." Well, that's just one cretin's opinion.
So TV is around 8mph, good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by adria33
So, since velocity is a vector quantity... oh nevermindQuote:
Originally Posted by adria33
edit: why are you talking about speed control if you're maintaining at terminal velocity?
This is my new favorite post in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Anal
Not sure I agree with you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
Some of the best Carving Cup people hold a straight line through their hips:
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That's what I mean by not dropping the hip - no fork in the body. (and they are touching the snow to boot!)
The first scene in my video is actually my last day in St Anton.. I was really getting my groove that day, pity I had to leave. I am pretty straight through the hips in it.
You add an variable terrain into that course like a double fall line or a few ruts, they would lose any momentum they had. That type of hip flexion is EXACTLY what you dont want when racing. It is not stable what so ever. Youre leaning in. Balancing with your inside hand like that is just asking for a shoulder injury.
Good point. Terminal velocity for given line down a run. If I wanted terminal velocity in a straight line it'd be easy, and it may be x kph. But start introducing turns and that's going to be x - y (y is speed energy but converted into movement energy to get me moving horizontally across a run.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Anal
So making y large means overall velocity (x) lower, which can be safer, but I am still maxed out on x for that line compared to (well, err) a non heart-carver.
I think our new homeslice, heart carver, is trying to usurp the now infamous GSXR forum troll who poured two bottles of NOS into his gas tank as being the internet's biggest and most successful troll.