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That may explain why your boot is working for you. Based on sporadic anecdotal evidence, I'm starting to think that once you put a supportive footbed in a ski boot it will keep your foot from fully expanding as it would if you measured it weighted on a Brannock device, or just on the floor with a tape measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Thanks for the info!
cheers,
john
Yup. My foot measures about 27.25 long, and ~110mm wide on a Brannock. I can ski a lot of low volume 26.5 boots with no/minor shell modification with a good custom footbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrredho
Stock footbed in most boots... Don’t really like the feeling of custom footbeds in most boots . Had all sorts over the years, end up preferring minimal support.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrredho
Considering ZGTP as replacement to MTN LAB that I am giving up on, I have lv ankle and given MTN ankle room and what I find to be a strange flex pattern, I cannot get comfortable/confident in MTN.
ZGTP shell fit provides me with what appears a great foot, ankle and heel fit (way better flex pattern for me too) but I am noticing the upper cuff seems to be wider than the MTN and my MACH 1.
Solution: move upper buckle, add rear spoiler or foam to upper cuff of pro tour.
Just curious if anyone has to crank up the upper cuff for lv calf and does it deform the lower to much? Specific question I know. Just curious before I drop some cash.
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Just got new zero gs yesterday, very happy with fit! Ive got a 282mm foot both sides, normal to low width, low volume and medium arch. In 27.5s ZGTP with maybe a 15mm-20mm shell fit. Width is perfect, heel hold is much better than my previous hawx XTD 27.5, and forefoot volume much better than Hawx. Length feels same as same shell size Hawx, ankle and calf feel a bit lower volume than Hawx. Pretty impressed with the stock liner! My moderately worn pro tour MV fit about the same as the stock liners, and are ~50g heavier with superfeet carbons compared to stock liner + stock insole. Heel hold might be best of any touring boot ive tried on, out of the box. FWIW I ski LV mach1s IB, so I might just have a tecnica foot.
27.5 boots are 1450g with intuition pro tour MV + superfeet carbon, 1410g with stock liner + stock footbed, no laces and no spoiler.
Overall very impressed, cant wait to ski em.
On my third season on these and overall they are the best boots I've ever had. The buckles are kind of finicky and break easily but not a deal breaker. But just realized I now have a ton of play in the cuff rivets. Can anything be done about that? Wish I had realized it in the off season when I could have tried to see if Tecnica could do something about it, but now I dont want to be without them for weeks (even though we barely have any snow...)
Did he press the same old rivets in?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
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I had Tecnica press the rivets which has loosened on a pair of Cochise's a few years back. Worked great and never loosened up again. They just put them on a press and recrimped them. If you have a good boot shop around, they can probably give yours a squeeze. I'm in Scout's (2nd year) and have recently modded them with a stiffer touring liner that was foamed by Heierling in Davos for the old Cochise's . Use a Superfeet Carbon insole. Makes them a bit heavier, flex-wise okay on the up, but gives the downhill performance a major boost. I can still run the stock liner on longer tours if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Yup. Worked fantastic! Best to you and the family Rod. Take care of allQuote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
Yes. This is exactly how I use them and it’s $$Quote:
Originally Posted by AZskibum
Picked up Zero G Tour Scouts. Putting them on in the car was far more difficult than with my Maestrale's.
Will they break in at all or should I just try snowboarding? I'm used to wearing a tight fit but pushing my feet was really difficult, and definitely harder than in the shop. For all the praise the line has received, I also felt like as well as they performed, they also skied cold. Not quite the first impressions on snow I was hoping for but I should have a couple weeks to work out the kinks inside as the YTD snowfall washes away in the xmas deluge.
I have a very low volume calf and ankle, constant struggle to get a secure wrap with most boots. I'm in mach1 lv inbounds with a prowrap, spoiler and the buckles pretty cranked. Just picked up a used pair of ZGTP. Carpet test with tour wrap liner seems mostly promising. Unfortunately don't have the stock liner to compare. Should get out soon and can tell you moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Sledzski
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I had the rivets pressed last may in France, but i didn't ski after that. One boot felt stiff moving the cuff, but hopefully it will get better when 8 ski.
Of course, now we have to wait until all of us test negative so we can fly to France!
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Temp will be better in a couple of tours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
Difficulty donning and removing will persist. So it is with overlap boots. I think they’re worth it, but to each his/her own
Try getting out of the car. Pull the shell wider at the instep with your hands as you step in, don't just yank up on the tongue. If ease in putting the boot on is priority #1 (fit doesn't matter so much), the Maestrale is still easier - or for that matter, the Dalbello Lupo AX 120 or Full Tilt Ascendant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
Every boot breaks in, but it won't make it easier to get your foot in. The Zero G series is neither the hardest nor the easiest in this regard, but keep in mind you only put your boots on once a day. If they seem cold you need to skin faster.
FWIW swapping the factory liners with intuition pro tour made a huge difference with warmth and also getting into the boot (just make sure the laces are out of the way). I'm not sure if the laces are just another fiddly thing to do away with. I also make it a point to put them in the footwell of the car where the heater warms up the shells and do as suggested above, pulling open the shell at the instep while standing up and then tug the liner tongue while pushing your foot in and making an appropiate grimmace. Its annoying but getting easier and the fit and ski control is excellent.
I always best the boots up and it's a lot easierQuote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
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Is that little velcro wedge included in the box supposed to be a spoiler? It almost looks like it’s meant to go on the tongue of the liner because there isn’t much of a “velcroable” surface on the back of the liner cuff.
It’s meant for the tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by jslattsbham
Hmm this is something I might have to consider. Getting the boots on at the car is a struggle but after a few tries I generally manage okay. Hiking in somewhere before transitioning boots somewhat less so. But I took these boots on an overnight trip recently and wound up needing an extra set of hands to help to get them on the next morning. Was honestly contemplating whether I might have to hike out in the liners alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by sillybunt2
Thanks! I was getting conflicting information from my local shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
When i sleep in a tent, i warm the shells with a hot water bottle for 10 minutes each, and they are easy to get onQuote:
Originally Posted by paige.
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I noticed this slightly mashed area on the heel of one of my boots. I have about 3 days of slack country touring and maybe 3 more days of inbounds skiing on them, all using Shifts. Is this indicative of incorrect adjustment? The only thing I can think of that would cause that damage is a possible a chunk of ice stuck in the back clamp as it levers down on the lug.
I was hoping to get many years of service from these boots and I want to make sure I'm not doing something dumb to beat them up quicker than they should be.
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Or just get some adhesive velcro loops and put it in the rear. That's what I ended up doing to my Intuition Tour Pro's. It can get kinda eaten up by the walk mechanism on the bottom of the spoiler if you mount it too low.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
And speaking as part of the the #highinstepgang yes cold shells can be a little hard to get on (never had to do overnight cold soaked boots though). But not as bad as cold S-Max boots.
@whetherman :
I have super skinny ankles and calves. I do not see any bulging or such on the lower shell when buckling the cuff tight.
I do have a high instep though, so I don’t need/want the lower foot tight.
Of course, as you mentioned, adding spoilers/foam around the calf is not hard either if needed.