I'm less than impressed with the Jigarex. Paper is way more accurate.
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I'm less than impressed with the Jigarex. Paper is way more accurate.
I haven't seen this issue, but I always draw a centerline and have a centering ruler sticker on each end to assist with double checking alignment. I'd never blindly assume the alignment was perfect and drill without checking. I don't know a fix and you should try contacting Dave. In the mean time, I'd consider drawing a centerline and spring clamping the jig to the skis since the plates relative to the jig and each other are reliable AFAIK.Quote:
Originally Posted by axebiker
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I don't get much faster, but am getting better.
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Originally Posted by axebiker
I've had the same issue with the Jigarex and if you're going to go to all the trouble to double check alignment longitudinally and finding true ski boot/ski center you might as well just use a paper template and some tape IMO. It's really not hard to drill perpendicular holes in a ski. I'm regretting participating in the jig group buy I was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
I spring clamp already. The problem is that I don't know exactly where the problem is occurring- is it the jig or is it the plate? That and I'm not sure I have anything that I could use to measure alignment to that level of accuracy. That said, it more of an annoyance than anything- I don't really notice it skiing. But for what I paid for the jig, it's probably worth addressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
If the purpose of the Jigarex is facility, it's a success but if the purpose is accuracy I think they need to work on it. It's the clamping/centering mechanism that you have to double check every time to make sure it's centered, and then recheck and recheck because the jig tends to move around. If it's centered and I still have to spring clamp to hold it in place then something is not right.
With a long straight edge and framing square I can get perfect alignment every time with paper templates and tape. I'm not sure that it really matter that much but in a world where we split hairs over moving bindings as little as .5 cms I would have to think it's at least somewhat important.
You could print a template to use as a gauge to see if the plates align and if there is a common difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by axebiker
A lot of comments I read on mounting do sound like inconveniences and annoyances compared to absolute perfection. Generally, I'm betting at least some of the accuracy issues that arise are inconsequential and people get worked up over small issues and slam products. Don't get me started on the time dealing with minor screw issues.....
Not on my screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by hhtele
If i was doing it for money at 45$ a mount jigs make sense but when I might mount 1 binding a year buying my own jig/jigs just don't make $$$ senseQuote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Sure the paper template but if I layout using t-square on painters tape with binding as template its seems to work fine for once a year
and yeah I think some folk are overly anal about accuracy ...its just a powder ski with floppy AT boots fercrisake
I freaked about over being off-center by 1.5mm on a 108mm waist ski. The offset is invisible when actually skiing.
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You got any plates with a center hole, tele heels or Vertical toes? If so, draw a center line on some masking tape on a ski, and see if the center hole lines up with the line on the tape. If it doesn't, the jig is the problem. If it lines up, leave the jig in place, put the offending plate on, use a center punch or awl and just mark the holes on the masking tape. Remove jig and see if the marks are out of whack.Quote:
Originally Posted by axebiker
I agree it doesn't matter, but I could say the same about a lot of other stupid shit I do too.
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Remount as the recommended boot center mark was way forward, 1 5/8 too much. May even get to try them out befour da snow all gone.
Jigarex works great for me. Mounted Dukes, Guardians, Griffons, and lots on Salomon STH2...never an issue.
First time trying this. Mounted my friends fucking skis.
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Used this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GUGDh6hTtk.
Pretty much the same steps as in this thread but a little simplified. Came out perfect.
Like I said, if you want mounting to be easy and brainless the Jigarex is great but if you're concerned about accuracy it's use is specious. Every user in our group buy has had trouble using the jig with regards to proper centering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I would gather it's kinda like bad mouthing ON3P skis, it's not pc to criticize somethings.
I think the criticism is fine and sounds like it is warranted. I was a shop rat for 10 years and still own OEM jigs. Been pleasantly suprised that the Jigarex has worked so well for me given others' experiences to the contrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
I think calling out the failures (and trying to be objective) helps a ton. But this is TGR and bias runs rampant.
And for the record, I thought the first generation ON3P Billy Goat was a piece of shit. The current iteration is my favorite ski ever, though. :D
First go with vipecs.
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Took off Radicals. Had a hole conflict to stay on boot center. Went about 1 cm forward. BD boot center is pretty far back.
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BD was supposed to send me a template, and it may still arrive. The Wildsnow template worked fine.
I find using a hole punch to be a big help.
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Spot on mount.
Skied then today.
Nice.
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BND tele/dynafit plates.
Went on easy, and appear well designed and well made.
What issues have you/people had in regards to centring/other issues? Curious, as I have used jigarex to mount all our skis and haven't run into an issue, yet, and want to keep it that way...Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Regarding Jigarex.
I have only used it twice. Once was an easy, perfect Tour mount. Almost had a real problem when I realized it moved fore/aft. I have an extra drill bit, so I left it in place after drilling to hold the jig in place. It was nearly a disaster. I don't mind being way off- I figure extra holes just make a ski lighter. But being <1cm of would really suck.
I can't swear that the binding is perfectly centered, as I never, ever measure once the holes are in. But, it looks good to the eye and skis great.
The other time I used it was for Speeds. Of the dozen or so tech mounts I have done, this one ended up being the most fiddly. I ended up leaving one binding "good enough". Couldn't get the heel to line up well. They still tour and ski fine, and the only way to tell is to put them up on a bench. But, I had assumed that with a brand new jig it would be a fast, easy job, and it was not.
The centering mechanism will jump teeth when cranked sometimes. The jig will be loose and move requiring multiple rechecks unless spring or c clamped when you know the jig is centered. To me it seems that a paper template and tape is just as easy and more reliable at the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty85
Done about 15 or so mounts with mah jiggy and never had a bad one yet.
Hm, I'm in the same boat as scottyb, though I always try to remember to double check alignment and always clamp the jig down to ensure no/less movement