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Thanks, not that this was ever a show stopper, but it seemed odd to me that the tails wouldn't be skin clip friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I have to confess that I'm wobbling / weakening (184 now vs. wait for the next production run of 179s). It's not as if I'm having much of a season (at least the early Winter), but a fella has to hang on to their principles when it comes to quiver building ;-)
... Thom
Here's what the BGT tail looks like, FYI
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More BGT108 pics (with 16/17 BG for scale)
Weight is probably not correct, but at least shows how close they are.
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2gr ?!? Holy. Those look might fine :)
Surprised you haven't picked up the 189 BGs on Finn yet ;)
hehe, I've been close a few times. ;)
1730, damn.
those look GREAT, btw.
you'll be kicking yourself for not getting these non-asym ones when your current pair wear out in a decade or so ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paal
And yeah, N1CK choose a better adjective than me - those look sensational.
I got some skis in from ON3P recently. When they arrived FedEx hit me up for $57 in fees. I’m not sure exactly what that was for, GST maybe? I think you’re right that duties don’t apply to US made skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by himavan
I’ve only had them out for one day but so far I gotta say I am loving the Woodsman. Had them out on groomers, fresh, and chopped up powder and it was all a lot of fun
Love that throwback topsheet with the updated logo. Every time I ask ON3P about older topsheets they just say this season and last season's. Then I see some of these updated classics. Wish they had a database on website of all potentially available.
QC on point over there in Portland with those weights
they do - kinda: https://issuu.com/on3pskis
ON3P has such a wealth of incredible graphics that it is a pity that not all are show cased in the builder or on their webpage!
Thanks. The photos on the website must be from am early build before the wiggle was added.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
... Thom
A skin clip tail has been a standard feature on ON3P's touring skis since at least 2014 - aka the introduction of the Steeple - and a standard 50usd upcharge option in the ski builder since it was launched, so fear not ;)
sorry for the rapid fire commentary here - I do not mean for every other post to be by me :)
Just picked up a screamin deal on some new Wren 108 Ti's - coming off of the original flipcore Cochise and loved that ski to death (quite literally). Anyone ridden both and willing to provide comparisons between the two?
Yes. I’ve wanted this ski for a couple seasons and stoked to have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by peglegger
Mounting next week after crowds settle down and will do a quick write up post storm.
19/20 Wren 96ti for dusting and dry. This is my daily driver.
20/21 108 BG full bamboo new snow up to 14”.
14/15 BG for anything more.
That’s the idea anyways. We’ll see how it shakes out.
Personally I don't see the point of a narrow goat inbounds. Correct me if I am off on this, but for touring the idea is that going narrow will significantly reduce weight. If I am going narrower for an inbounds ski, it is because of hard snow. RES is such a soft snow oriented design that I can't see a 108 BG being significantly better on hard pack than a 118 BG. Easier to get on edge sure and maybe easier on the knees, but it isn't like the width reduction is gonna make them rail groomers. By the time my skis are under 110ish in width I want a bit more versatile shape. That's one reason I went C&D over BG, if I am going soft snow oriented anyway, I'll take the extra surface area (plus the softer flex).Quote:
Originally Posted by peglegger
In a touring application the 108 BG is very attractive to me and is definitely on the wish list for next winter as a soft snow daily touring ski. RES makes short work of wind crusts and upside down or reheated snow that you often get in the BC.
Top level QC indeed. 2 grams! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by peglegger
I guess I was just lucky this time with the topsheets. Sent them an eMail and got back:
Very happy with how they turned out.Quote:
Amazingly (as we have very few old tops) we do have this one.
I asked for some 13/14 BG and CD tops a few seasons back but no luck then.
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Oh, and about the skin clip tails being discussed:
I specifically asked for regular, non skin clip tails. (I've had my skins fall off MAYBE three times on skis with standard tails? ...didn't see the need for it) Still, skis came with notched tails. Not that I mind; didn't pay for it, so...)
Just a reminder that in any wet snow, 191 billy goat is king. Schmoo all over the pass for New Years. Just destroying steep untracked trees that no one else wanted. Total sleeper day. Glad I left the bent chetlers behind. Not a day for light skis.
ah shit, my bad Iggy and mags - I must have been lucky with them having the ones I requested in stock on both occasions when I ordered custom skis. I can but appologize that/if I caused any confusion and frustration if my "all previous stock graphics are an option" assumption is indeed wrong. :(
If anybody wants to see some close ups of woods102s: https://www.skitalk.com/threads/on3p...man-102.20804/
Man paal - the more I look at it that graphic the more I like it - it is sensational. The last time a graphic grew on me this much was when SF posted his custom Wren108s with the blue/white BG graphics, which caused me to pick that graphic when I ordered my Woodsman116s. Though pretty much any year C&Ds are also hard to pass up on if I go for a custom pair again in the future - they all look so incredibly nice. Like the ones Gman posted a while back - hot damn.
Sorry if I am stealing a fellow mag's thunder, but these were posted here and thought I should share as they are just looking so mighty fine. They are described as:
Daily - Wood Veneer Woodsman 108
Pow/Sled skis - Purple Fade BillyGoat
Volcano/tour ski - Black Fade Woodsman 102 Tour
a+ quiver game there imho
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^ Hehe. Yeah, so many awesome graphics. That blue/white BG (I assume 15/16) is one of my absolute favorites as well :)
Yeah. I was playing around with the idea of getting a 50-50 layup for my BG108 and mounting them with shifts, but I came to the same conclusion: If conditions inbounds would not favor my regular BGs I would probably want something more hard snow specific than the 108s anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleBeaver
As for a touring specific version, the weight between the two are fairly close but that weight is not all that matters. Size of skin tracks, more area for snow-buildup on skis and even the few extra grams of skin-weight... it all adds up :)
I guess to be more clear, the idea of a BG108 isn't really to have a ski that will also perform well on hardpack. I probably shouldn't have used the term "Daily Driver." I just rarely have the need for a ski wider than 110mm. Especially since most ON3Ps punch well above their width for float. And i'm light, 150lbs. 90% of my inbounds skiing is in 2-12" of snow. Don't normally ride the lifts if it hasn't snowed more than a few, and we rarely get dumps over a foot in Missoula. I find the 108mm to be ideal for almost any soft snow conditions I encounter.
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Originally Posted by TeleBeaver
^ same. I’m on the lighter side of the spectrum so I think a 108 will do just fine when it comes to float.
Wanted this ski for quicker edge to edge transfer than BG116. Slightly more nimble in West Basin. Steep and tight here.
Goat stampede today. holy fuck! still can't believe what these things can do
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That vintage is THE best soft snow Goat. So quick, so stable, so loose, so floaty.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeeom
I am happy to report after two full days of use post-tune that my woodsman108s has loosened up a lot after I retuned the edges. They feel great. They are loose off the groomers, but are also surprisingly strong on groomers. I can but wonder how woodsman102s or 96s might be on groomers because the 108s are great there - so solid grip wise and to get speed from the tails. Zero complaints of the tails locking into turns in any type of snow - ice, man made ice/slush/snow, hard snow or fresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
So if you still have your pair Norse, I would def suggest going over the edges one more time, check the base bevel at 1degree and detune the shit out if the edges after the contact points. I am very confident that my pair will be pretty amazing when they are fully broken in.
My woodsman116s still are still in need of a bit more tuning - especially out back where they exhibit some of the behaviour you describe above for your 108s, but I expect them to come along nicely too with a bit more tuning. They slay variable though, even if they are not quite BGesque. Somewhat surprisingly they feel like a lot more ski than the 108s.
My newly acquired Lange XT3 130s ski nicely too, even if my insoles are in need of renewal - aka a bit of a painfest at times now.
Stock layup ON3Ps + Shifts + XT3s compliment each other really well - recommended for max FOMO versatility.
Preface: I’m 6ft, 240#. Strong skier [emoji1303]. Lighter skiers may have a different experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockChalk
I shared this earlier in the thread, but I was a big fan of the 185 flipcore Cochise as well. I just had my first day on the 186 Wren 110 Pros and I feel like my assumption was correct that it would be a similar evolution.
- Cochise has a lower swing weight, this does make them easier to pilot in moguls
- the tip on the wrens is superior, this could be a preference but my initial feelings were that the taper on the tip of the Cochise, while helping with its ability to “rail”, didn’t help in soft snow and mixed conditions. Absolutely prefer the wren tip.
I still need more time on the Wrens 110 Pros for a full review, here are some of my initial thoughts:
- impressive levels of stability in all snow conditions
- it feels like a Cochise underfoot but has that signature ON3P tip, seriously making crud and mixed snow conditions more enjoyable
- as someone who really enjoys a flat tail, it’s there and it’s real. However it’s not nearly as punishing as let’s say the tail on the DPS L120, which is a 2x4. It will punish improper technique but has significantly more room play around with before “correcting you”.
- they’re actually not the stiffest ON3P ski I’ve been on. The 193 Supergoats (Stiff layup) are stiffer, even with the metal in the Wren Pros.
- significantly damper feeling that the Cochise, requires a bit more energy to bring alive, this is probably because of the less camber more flat
- they STOMP, really awesome platform for landings
Overall I thought it was way more fun, all the benefits and none of the negatives. I’m hooked and stoked. Looking forward to bringing them to bigger terrain once low tide fills in a bit more here in the West.
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