ON3P SKIS Discussion

I want to officially state that I take back everything I said about the woodsman 108.

I picked them up in February last year and found them to be less intuitive than the Jeffrey 108 and found the tail very hard to release.

Well today I finally sorted out all of my boot issues and can officially say that this ski absolutely rips.

Carves trenches in groomers for a 108 ski. Can be thrown into the back of hard piles of snow as fast as you want. Tail releases just fine in any type of snow as long as your boots are working.

Love this ski!


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100% agree. I've been A/B skiing mine against Enforcer Free 104s since last season, the Woods win.

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Are the BG Tours a touch softer than the standard Goats?

I see where they're a rounder flex profile.

... Thom

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Originally Posted by 123ski

I want to officially state that I take back everything I said about the woodsman 108.

I picked them up in February last year and found them to be less intuitive than the Jeffrey 108 and found the tail very hard to release.

Well today I finally sorted out all of my boot issues and can officially say that this ski absolutely rips.

Carves trenches in groomers for a 108 ski. Can be thrown into the back of hard piles of snow as fast as you want. Tail releases just fine in any type of snow as long as your boots are working.

Love this ski!


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I finally fixed the tune on my woodsman 108 and I’m so impressed with the ski it’s hard to put into words. They are just so powerful while being nimble in bumps and playful in the air. They are 90% of the wren 108 and 70% as playful as the jeffrey.

You can push the ski hard and carve down the fall line while effortlessly controlling speeds with slarves.

hm, the last posts here makes me all kinds of excited.

I just picked up some new tools in order to improve my woods-experience - edge tools for a bit of tuning and Lange XT3 130 LVs for improved power.

Sounds like just the remedy that is required. :)

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

I finally fixed the tune on my woodsman 108 and I’m so impressed with the ski it’s hard to put into words. They are just so powerful while being nimble in bumps and playful in the air. They are 90% of the wren 108 and 70% as playful as the jeffrey.

You can push the ski hard and carve down the fall line while effortlessly controlling speeds with slarves.

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‘Fixed the tune’
What did you do?

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Originally Posted by jaywood

‘Fixed the tune’
What did you do?

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Same question - what did you find? Have a pair of Woods 96s from last season that felt super hooky and couldn't release the tail, there was some concern by Scott that there were issues with the base bevel due to some machine issues at their factory. Finally got some edge tools and hoping to see if I can do anything to them this weekend. To Scott's credit, he offered to have them mailed back for free to the ON3P factory but seems like a waste. I've never had a pair of ON3P skis feel "hooky" so I bet it's something with the tune.

Bought some Steelple 108's from Kootenai. Amazingly, my boots fit without remount, however boot center is about 1.25 cm behind center. Think it'd be worth a remount?

Of course I'll ski em and hope for the best when I get a chance, but if I have to I'll drill.

I have.
Just reset the bevels.
Hooky can maybe be detuned out. My SG's were railed, as in edges always felt like they want to engage, even going straight. My Caylors had slight hooky, but it skied off quickly.

Took a couple runs on my 192 WD108 and was... not stoked. Tail release was a problem which surprised me, since the stock detune looked good on the rocker line.

Good to hear of successful tweaks, though. I'm picky about tune and will make some adjustments.

Bearclaw billies still rule the maritime mank, good lawd

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Originally Posted by 123ski

I want to officially state that I take back everything I said about the woodsman 108.

I picked them up in February last year and found them to be less intuitive than the Jeffrey 108 and found the tail very hard to release.

Well today I finally sorted out all of my boot issues and can officially say that this ski absolutely rips.

Carves trenches in groomers for a 108 ski. Can be thrown into the back of hard piles of snow as fast as you want. Tail releases just fine in any type of snow as long as your boots are working.

Love this ski!


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To be fair, my ski now has about 10 days on it and I have run a gummy stone over the tail a few times, so it may be a combination of “skiing the tune off” plus fixing some boot issues that brought it all together


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Originally Posted by Norseman

Took a couple runs on my 192 WD108 and was... not stoked. Tail release was a problem which surprised me, since the stock detune looked good on the rocker line.

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This comment resonates with me, also the fact that people are detuning the WD and finding it ski more intuitive is reassuring.



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My woodsman felt hooky and unpredictable on groomers, but in any 3d snow they had no issues and killed it. They had mostly flat bases, but some inconsistencies with the side edge is what the guy at the tune shop told me. Had them run through the tuning machine and reset to 1/1 followed by a detune to contact point and now they feel like every other ON3P I’ve had.

I bought my Woodsman from CallMeAl.
I let my brother use them last year.
1 run and the dude skis up w/ a pondering look on his face and says " These are the easiest skiing skis I've ever been on...."

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

Are the BG Tours a touch softer than the standard Goats?

I see where they're a rounder flex profile.

... Thom

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They don't feel significantly softer to me either in hand flex or on the snow, but I am skiing them with different boots, different bindings, different snow, and my standard Goats are from 12/13 and probably a bit more flaccid than they once was.

I detuned and re-edged my W108, but BGs just outclass that ski in any sort of mank.

Of course.

Just did edges. Flatness was good. Side bevel was good, solid 1 deg. Increased base bevel angle out from contact points and detuned inboard by 10cm or so and smoothed w diamond.

Want them to work.

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Bought some Steelple 108's from Kootenai. Amazingly, my boots fit without remount, however boot center is about 1.25 cm behind center. Think it'd be worth a remount?

Of course I'll ski em and hope for the best when I get a chance, but if I have to I'll drill.

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Ski em first.

I picked up a pair of 189 BGs late last season just before COVID shut everything down. They’re taking the spot in the lineup previously occupied by OG 190 Bibbys. I think the Bibby is a great lift served pow ski and I had lots of really great days on mine. I’ve had the Goats in a variety of different depths and consistencies, and am comfortable saying that the Goats are the better ski for how/where I ski. They’re not as good on groomers and they might be worse in firm bumps (who cares), but in anything remotely soft and 3D they float better, are looser and are much less likely to hook in wind or temperature stiffened snow. The poppy but quiet/damp construction and shape also blast chopped pow better, which is impressive, as I personally think this is the Bibbys best skill. Really stoked to have these in the fleet!

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Originally Posted by Reformed

I picked up a pair of 189 BGs late last season just before COVID shut everything down. They’re taking the spot in the lineup previously occupied by OG 190 Bibbys. I think the Bibby is a great lift served pow ski and I had lots of really great days on mine. I’ve had the Goats in a variety of different depths and consistencies, and am comfortable saying that the Goats are the better ski for how/where I ski. They’re not as good on groomers and they might be worse in firm bumps (who cares), but in anything remotely soft and 3D they float better, are looser and are much less likely to hook in wind or temperature stiffened snow. The poppy but quiet/damp construction and shape also blast chopped pow better, which is impressive, as I personally think this is the Bibbys best skill. Really stoked to have these in the fleet!

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That’s funny,

Woodsman 108 replaced my Bibbys and they are better in every way, including flotation.

I’d even say Jeffrey 108 is better than bibby

Goats replaced my 4Frnt Renegade as a pow ski and they are also better in every way, including skiing firm conditions.

Also means i can compare goat and Bibby, but would like more days before I do a full write up


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Originally Posted by tuco

I bought my Woodsman from CallMeAl.
I let my brother use them last year.
1 run and the dude skis up w/ a pondering look on his face and says " These are the easiest skiing skis I've ever been on...."

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I tune those skis on a dirty old grindrite at 1/1, and whack the WD edges down pretty intentionally through (+~.5cm toward ski center) the widest point of the ski with a course gummy if anybody's wondering.

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

They don't feel significantly softer to me either in hand flex or on the snow, but I am skiing them with different boots, different bindings, different snow, and my standard Goats are from 12/13 and probably a bit more flaccid than they once was.

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Thanks for that. Are you still using your ProTests for sled skiing?

My sense is that the 179s will be my jam. The good news is that they're out of 179s, so (considering the state of this season for me), I can start putting pennies aside for a Spring purchase. There's a pair of Raider 12s on the way that will be waiting for them.

Length-wise, 179 should be very close to my 182 GPOs which I like for touring and tight trees. If you said they were noodles, then 184 might make more sense.

Looking at the build in the custom section (I assume this is the same tour build as for the stock BG tours?), I was impressed with how much base and edge remain on the skis:

• 1.4mm base, 2.0 x 2.0 edges on the touring layup
• 1.8mm base, 2.5 x 2.5 edges on the std.

So, in keeping with the ON3P ethos, their touring skis are still burlier than many companies' inbounds skis ... and ... at 1800g. Brilliant!

... Thom

Anybody in Tahoe running the new WD102 as a DD / low tide? Thoughts?

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Anybody in Tahoe running the new WD102 as a DD / low tide? Thoughts?

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I use a WD96 as a low tide/DD in Tahoe (Praxis concept for anything fresh). Absolutely love it, I imagine the 102 will ski fairly similar and would be a personal preference thing on the width. Have had no complaints under any conditions the past month or so here. Any particular things you want thoughts on? I have trouble describing a ski generally but can often comment on specifics.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

My woodsman felt hooky and unpredictable on groomers, but in any 3d snow they had no issues and killed it. They had mostly flat bases, but some inconsistencies with the side edge is what the guy at the tune shop told me. Had them run through the tuning machine and reset to 1/1 followed by a detune to contact point and now they feel like every other ON3P I’ve had.

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I have some brand new 2021 WD108 and am having the same issue. Mounted on the line. They are fine in soft but also feel unpredictable on hard-pack (they don't want to mindlessly ride straight). They feel nowhere near as intuitive as my BG on hard-pack.

Glad to see I'm not alone. Hope a tune can fix.