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10-23-2023, 08:43 AM
MagnificentUnicorn

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

So what should the North American tribes do about that in the year 2023? Get back to the good ol days of Comanche style raiding parties like it's 1840? Go on murderous rapey killing sprees like Hamas just did?

If Gaza wants peace, it's real easy. Knock it off with the constant barrage of rockets, return the hostages, engage in peace talks. But that's a complete non-starter for their entirely evil leadership who is willing to sacrifice all their own people if that's what it takes, who hates the Jews and will never be satisfied until they conquer ALL of Israel, and then hunt down and kill every last Jew on the planet. And don't kid yourself that you're not next on their hit list either. First the Jews and the reclaiming of the Holy Land, then the Christians, then ALL non-believers. And then when they convert the whole planet to Islam, that still ain't good enough cuz we all know about the Sunni vs Shia beef. They've been duking it out amongst themselves all the same. And then when one of THEM prevails, there are further fractions and they'll divide and start killing each other too.

From the Hamas Covenant:

Here's an ISIS map showing their plans for just getting the ball rolling:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ISworldmap.jpg
Get the picture yet?

Native Americans took the diplomatic route and now they’re bleeding stupid pale face dry with casinos

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10-23-2023, 08:48 AM
MontuckyFried

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Native Americans took the diplomatic route and now they’re bleeding stupid pale face dry with casinos

Haha. Yup. They figured it out most assuredly. Sure beats decades of tit for tat skirmishes and endless rocket attacks, that's for sure!
10-23-2023, 08:48 AM
muted reborn

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

It's not that I disagree as a matter of opinion, it's the factually wrong aspect.

It's still worth a listen IMO, but it's not for everyone. He says much more dumb shit than what you pointed out (like why Trump was a great leader in hour three) and I'm not going to defend him in any way, but it is surprisingly thoughtful.
10-23-2023, 08:49 AM
MultiVerse

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

Next, china invades Taiwan, we’re all drafted, or our kids are, and multiverse explains how a three front war makes sense geo politically,, then North Korea. And he quadruples down, on policy and principle, but fails logistically and we all die.

You routinely lie about everything. It's pathetic. I've repeatedly warned about the dangers of this conflict spreading. Seriously, just once, try to respond to an argument in good faith. Hamas wants to draw other countries into a wider conflict with Israel.
10-23-2023, 08:50 AM
MontuckyFried

Unreal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKmFfxzz4xw

At least not one person in HERE has said the 10/7 attacks were justified (I think). Glad we can at least all agree on that one, right?
10-23-2023, 08:50 AM
Cono Este

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

All of your questions have been covered multiple times. If you were fair you'd also discuss how settlers in the West Bank are accelerating their ethnic cleansing operation and how the current Israeli government is openly calling for annexing Gaza.

Wrong, I’ve been critical of Zionism from a British point of view, Irgun, king david hotel. I’ve also been critical of americanJews acting like they all own a piece of the place. Multiple posts

When you were rooting on the forever war in Ukraine, and shipping half Israel’s and half S Koreas ordinance to them, you kinda forgot about the rest of the threats in the world.

Do we need advice from someone who can’t see past their own nose?
10-23-2023, 08:56 AM
MultiVerse

You lie, again. I've repeatedly warned about a long war in Ukraine and the need to end it quickly.

As for forgot about, literally on page one of this thread you were warned about Hamas trying to prevent peace in the region. Pointing out that the objective of Russia is to wipe Ukraine from the map, the objective of Iran and Hamas is to wipe Israel from the map, and the objective of China is to end Taiwan’s democracy and autonomy is not the same thing as calling for direct American involvement. It's a call for deterrence.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Hamas governed Gaza poorly since 2007 and says Israel is an illegitimate country. Hamas was losing support to more extreme Jihadi Palestinian groups. Hamas needed this terrorist attack to stay in power. Hamas wanted to prevent peace in the region using mass slaughter of Israeli civilians to achieve its goals. It looks, at least in the short term, like they've succeeded.

If anything, wittingly or not Cono is carrying water for Hamas.
10-23-2023, 09:07 AM
Core Shot

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Unreal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKmFfxzz4xw

At least not one person in HERE has said the 10/7 attacks were justified (I think). Glad we can at least all agree on that one, right?

I read it differently. A lot of those people being interviewed had actually been paying some attention to history. So many person on the street interviews are clueless.

Definitely surprised only two of thirty didn’t condemn Hamas.
But it depends how the question is asked. And how short a snippet is presented. The 28 seem to me to be expressing sympathy for a people kicked out of their land and forced into an open air prison. I agree. But wtf can we do about it now. Israel ain’t leaving. The two state solution failed. Generations in Gaza suffering and bitter and angry.

I love Jews and Muslims. Zionists and terrorists not so much. Fubar
10-23-2023, 09:34 AM
MultiVerse

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Here's an ISIS map showing their plans for just getting the ball rolling:

Muslim Kurds along with other Muslims in the region don't get enough credit for, with American support, defeating ISIS. MontuckyFried's constraint refrain calling for a wider war with Muslims certainly isn't helping Israel
10-23-2023, 09:41 AM
J. Barron DeJong

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https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg
10-23-2023, 10:09 AM
MontuckyFried

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Muslim Kurds along with other Muslims in the region don't get enough credit for, with American support, defeating ISIS. MontuckyFried's constraint refrain calling for a wider war with Muslims certainly isn't helping Israel

Ok, MV. Time to set you straight. When are you going to understand "Muslims" =/= Islamist extremists? I've already explained the differences to you, but you still incorrectly think my beef is with Muslims at large. It isn't. Get that through your thick, impervious skull, k? If you think I view our friends like the Kurds the same as ISIS, then I don't know what to tell you. I never said anything bad about Muslim people. Just the Islamic Jihadis (and Islam itself from whence they get their precepts). There IS a difference, K? Go ahead and find a quote from me hating on Muslim people or me "calling for a wider war with Muslims"? I NEVER said that. You must have preconceived notions of me and imagine me saying shit I never said. Until you can find that imaginary quote, kindly quit misrepresenting and twisting my words like how you wrongfully said I was rooting for the indiscriminate bombing of all teh Muslims. I never said any such thing. Not cool, man. Not cool.
10-23-2023, 10:17 AM
MultiVerse

Wrongo, MontuckyFried. You've been forced to backtrack after making abhorrent categorical comments about Muslims and arguing for carpet bombing Palestinians, "You mean like WINNING? I vote for winning. Last war the US ever won decisively was WWII and that's because we bombed the ever living shit out of both Europe and Japan."

The rules should work both ways: if we see antisemitism it needs to be *shut down* If we see antimuslim stereotypes *shut it down* That doesn't mean ignoring extremism: *shut it down, too*

You do not support Palestine by being racist against Jews. You do not support Israel by being racist against Arabs.
10-23-2023, 10:19 AM
JimmyCarter

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Ok, MV. Time to set you straight. When are you going to understand "Muslims" =/= Islamist extremists? I've already explained the differences to you, but you still incorrectly think my beef is with Muslims at large. It isn't. Get that through your thick, impervious skull, k? If you think I view our friends like the Kurds the same as ISIS, then I don't know what to tell you. I never said anything bad about Muslim people. Just the Islamic Jihadis (and Islam itself from whence they get their precepts). There IS a difference, K? Go ahead and find a quote from me hating on Muslim people or me "calling for a wider war with Muslims"? I NEVER said that. You must have preconceived notions of me and imagine me saying shit I never said. Until you can find that imaginary quote, kindly quit misrepresenting and twisting my words like how you wrongfully said I was rooting for the indiscriminate bombing of all teh Muslims. I never said any such thing. Not cool, man. Not cool.

Morgan freeman voice: “He did not in fact set anyone straight”
10-23-2023, 10:26 AM
JimmyCarter

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

I've already explained the differences to you, but you still incorrectly think my beef is with Muslims at large.

…
I never said anything bad about Muslim people. Just the Islamic Jihadis (and Islam itself from whence they get their precepts).

“I don’t hate Muslims, I just hate the only thing that makes them Muslims!”
10-23-2023, 10:35 AM
Toadman

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Attachment 473831

https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Last thing Turkey needs is Hamas stirring things up in their backyard. Turkey has bigger fish to deal with, like the head of the Russian mafia, Vlad Putin.
10-23-2023, 10:39 AM
mcphee

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Ok, MV. Time to set you straight. When are you going to understand "Muslims" =/= Islamist extremists? I've already explained the differences to you, but you still incorrectly think my beef is with Muslims at large. It isn't. Get that through your thick, impervious skull, k? If you think I view our friends like the Kurds the same as ISIS, then I don't know what to tell you. I never said anything bad about Muslim people. Just the Islamic Jihadis (and Islam itself from whence they get their precepts). There IS a difference, K? Go ahead and find a quote from me hating on Muslim people or me "calling for a wider war with Muslims"? I NEVER said that. You must have preconceived notions of me and imagine me saying shit I never said. Until you can find that imaginary quote, kindly quit misrepresenting and twisting my words like how you wrongfully said I was rooting for the indiscriminate bombing of all teh Muslims. I never said any such thing. Not cool, man. Not cool.

https://youtu.be/U1_P7U7YicY?si=J4mjds7xCvKdZaNk
10-23-2023, 10:39 AM
MontuckyFried

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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

“I don’t hate Muslims, I just hate the only thing that makes them Muslims!”

Your logic here is wrong, Jimmy. TGR has an entire thread dedicated to ripping on the Christian faith. Many on TGR absolutely abhor the religion and the book on which it is based. Does that mean they hate the nearly 2.4 Billion people on the planet? I never took it that way, but perhaps I was wrong about that according to your logic.
10-23-2023, 10:44 AM
JimmyCarter

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Your logic here is wrong, Jimmy. TGR has an entire thread dedicated to ripping on the Christian faith. Many on TGR absolutely abhor the religion and the book on which it is based. Does that mean they hate the nearly 2.4 Billion people on the planet? I never took it that way, but perhaps I was wrong about that according to your logic.

Is TGR calling for the bombing of the Christian fundamentalists trying to impose religious doctrine at the state level?
10-23-2023, 10:47 AM
MultiVerse

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Right, he's making's a false equivalency. The line gets drawn when a person calls for physically harming Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, or even Satan Worshipers.

Attachment 473837
10-23-2023, 10:47 AM
mcphee

Montuckyfried: Thought Thinker, Logic Crusader
10-23-2023, 10:51 AM
MontuckyFried

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Wrongo, MontuckyFried. You've been forced to backtrack after making abhorrent categorical comments about Muslims and arguing for carpet bombing Palestinians, "You mean like WINNING? I vote for winning. Last war the US ever won decisively was WWII and that's because we bombed the ever living shit out of both Europe and Japan."

The rules should work both ways: if we see antisemitism it needs to be *shut down* If we see antimuslim stereotypes *shut it down* That doesn't mean ignoring extremism: *shut it down, too*

You do not support Palestine by being racist against Jews. You do not support Israel by being racist against Arabs.

Again, not being racist against Arabs, dingus. And where have I backtracked? Winning via taking out Hamas targets is not racist. It is not anti-Muslim. My point was that they could no longer hide behind civilians as a tactic any longer. Would your preferred tactics have worked in WWII?

Bombing Germany wasn't about race. Bombing Japan wasn't about race. It was about winning. Neither is taking out a Hamas weapons cache.

Only a racist views everything through the lens of race. Why you being so racist, MV?

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

And you wrote, "For many decades, the Islamic world has quite openly used the Palestinian people as mere pawns" along with having a problem with Islam, not just Islamic extremists.

Have they not? And again, you can like a people and not be too stoked on their religion. This apparently is too large a concept for you?
Did you know that voodoo is still kind of a big thing around many places in Western Africa? You down with voodoo? Does that mean you hate Africans? Damn, y u so racist, Multiverse? I mean since you gotta think they're religion is a-ok in order to not be racist against them, right? <----MultiVerse logic
10-23-2023, 10:51 AM
Cisco Kid

Where is this anti Christian thread he speaks of?
10-23-2023, 10:55 AM
JimmyCarter

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

Where is this anti Christian thread he speaks of?

I’m not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=328540
10-23-2023, 10:56 AM
TBS

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Attachment 473831

https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

They seem to be walking this back
https://x.com/almonitor/status/17164...VcjE4XMSP00QCA
10-23-2023, 10:56 AM
MontuckyFried

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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

Is TGR calling for the bombing of the Christian fundamentalists trying to impose religious doctrine at the state level?

They ABSOLUTELY would if they ran around some Muslim villages, murdering, raping, and pillaging in the name of Jesus, and yes, attacks like Hamas just did absolutely WOULD justify counter-attacks like that. But that's not the case now, is it? Don't even try and equate Christians imposing doctrine at state level to Hamas attacks. WTF?

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