Yet the farmers keep their cats and shun the windmills.
The philosophy here is all over my head and makes my brain circuits explode.
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Yet the farmers keep their cats and shun the windmills.
The philosophy here is all over my head and makes my brain circuits explode.
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Ok friends its all very nice, but what can we skiers do to stop the climate change?
There is just one possibility:
Stop the groomers, caterpilars and snow guns,
try to ski on natural snow, though it is not perfect.
Try to follow me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYgrmTfiOmM
I love companies who market themselves as and claim to be “sustainable” and “eco-conscious” but then fly halfway around the world a few times a year to do ad photo shoots. Amazing.
Yeah, SnowShow, it`s not just companies feeling themselves “eco-conscious”.
Every well-suited individual feels “sustainable”, although driving a heavy SUV with 300kg baterries
on board. Like Schwarzeneger...
Bird deaths
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...out-bird-death
Causes of Bird Deaths in the U.S. Annually
Cats 2,407,000,000
Buildings 599,000,000
Cars 199,600,000
Power Line Collisions 22,800,000
Communication Towers 6,581,945
Power Line Electrocutions 5,630,000
Wind Turbines 573,093
Number are for independent birds only. Estimates do not include eggs or nestlings.
Chart: Cecelia Smith-Schoenwalder Source: Loss et al. 2015 Get the data Created with Datawrapper
But yes, wind turbines are the problem.
Here's this from the Audubon Society:
"Properly sited wind power can help protect birds from climate change."
"Audubon strongly supports wind energy that is sited and operated properly to avoid, minimize, and mitigate effectively for the impacts on birds, other wildlife, and the places they need now and in the future. To that end, we support the development of wind energy to achieve 100% clean electricity."
https://www.audubon.org/news/wind-power-and-birds
This is actually one of the biggest concerns about climate change: migration caused by climate disasters will lead to world war. Migration from climate disasters has already caused a number of wars around the world. As this increases the odds of world war increase. 2 degrees of warming could definitely trigger this.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
Sure. Maybe in 30 years. But what’s going right now between China, Taiwan, Iran, Israel, Russia etc and the west is a real near term threat. We are stumbling towards world war with one stupid decision after the next. Climate is takes a massive backseat to this in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD
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OK Epimethius. Again:Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels Albert Einstein.
While short term problems have to be dealt with in the short term, long term problems also require short term short term responses that last.
This is why humans have arrived at the end of their road: not enough processing capacity for both near and long term planning. A world managing Tyrannical AI would be most welcome...... or Dog ...... or a vastly superior Alien race.
It would be a lot easier for you to understand if you smoked some weed. A lot of weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
It’s not just about the birds. The noise pollution from turbines can f up human and animal health. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032122006852Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
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I plan to make up for lost time when I retire.Quote:
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Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
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I’ve stood in a wind farm among dozens of wind turbines, they’re pretty quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
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Since birds aren't real none of this matters.
So far I've learned, birds are really, really dumb. XYZ is a cult member
So far I've learned, birds are really, really dumb. XYZ is a cult member
I am think they are a bored troll.
Got it-- there is only one crisis in the world, AND even if there were more we can only possibly focus on one problem at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
Climate change isn't just a future problem. It is here now and wreaking devastation in many parts of the world at the same time.
"Yeah... but not where I live."Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD
:rolleyes:
So your anecdote of hanging out a wind farm for an hour trumps all the scientific research showing the opposite? Ok. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
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Link to research that shows wind turbine noise is harmful to humansQuote:
Originally Posted by xyz
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Pleasepleasepleaseplease ..... let it be an Orange Shit Gibbon quote!!!
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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
xyz provided a link to a summary paper indicating that wind turbine could be harmful to wildlife.
What I don't get is the quibbling about perfection.
Virtually all human tech has a detriment of some sort, but every detriment is relative.
So, if some technology reduces greenhouse gases, drilling, mining, refining and transportation of fuel, that's a good thing.
Even the linked paper did not clearly demonstrate significant negative impacts on wildlife; most of the papers conclusions showed the possibility ("can" or "could") of detriments to wildlife.
There are lots. It’s all about offset distances from homes. The closer you are obviously the more th impact. It’s difficult to tie a direct line from turbines to a certain disease but it’s like living next to a hwy or not. Constant noise exposure doesn’t lead to good outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497296/
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With that kind of reasoning, we should get rid of leaf blowers first, then all airplanes, all freeways and highways. Not to mention Def Leppard. And rawk music in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
Again, don't let perfection stand in the way of obvious improvement.
Many more animals will die from climate change than from wind turbines.
I’m with you on leaf blowers! They should be illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Would you still be supportive of wind turbine farms if they were in your backyard?
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You're continuing a stupid argument, augmented by the personalization and b00gy mongering.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
It's all about choices. I'd sooner have a wind turbine in my back yard than a refinery, a coal plant, a nuclear reactor or a freeway.
And fwiw, I'll take a few nuclear reactors over coal plants.
qft.
Well explained but the amazing thing is it has to be explained at all/smh
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Now that B has easily blown his ridiculousness out of the water he goes on to the next one and then eventually repeats. It is a tired pattern.
Anybody listen to the last Blister with Taos? Will be interesting to see how the electric sleds and hybrid snowcat work out. I think they also have a small all electric cat for small park stuff. Baby steps but someone has to lead.
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I found this link in your linked article you doltQuote:
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21914211/
Xyz is one of those people that thinks if you believe something is true it must be true, also thinks correlation equals causation.
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It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.
The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.
Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.
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Nuclear reactors have the same efficiency as wind turbines, actually less if the wind turbines are in a favorable location. Don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
Solar really depends on location but is generally less efficient than wind or nuclear right now. Certain locations can approach >45% efficiency though.
I’m happy to live in a county with two large hydroelectric dams and the lowest electric rates in the country thanks to a PUD and 90% efficient turbines.
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You should probably do this for the last several pages of your posts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyz
Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.
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