Hjortleifson has been heard, the DynaFit Vulcan

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Originally Posted by sethschmautz

Judo,

Did you ski the stock liners at all? Did you notice much of a volume difference with the oversized PTs vs stock?

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Sorry no I didn't. I had to get a ridiculous amount of shell punching for my foot, and we don't think the stock liner would stretch enough to work comfortably. so can't compare.
I do feel like the pro-tours don't have enough foam around the ankle though and it leaves a feeling of empty space there; then too much foam around the calf. I'll be trying something else for inbounds/slackcountry days and keeping the PTs for longer touring days as they are suuuuuuper comfortable.

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Originally Posted by Judo Chop!

Sorry no I didn't. I had to get a ridiculous amount of shell punching for my foot, and we don't think the stock liner would stretch enough to work comfortably. so can't compare.
I do feel like the pro-tours don't have enough foam around the ankle though and it leaves a feeling of empty space there; then too much foam around the calf. I'll be trying something else for inbounds/slackcountry days and keeping the PTs for longer touring days as they are suuuuuuper comfortable.

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Get some spare foam from Intuition and build around the calf. That works too.

EDIT - and oh nice boots! Sip the kool-aid. It's magic!

yeah, I'm actually going back to Intuition today for some more followup fitting.

Yes, I a SUPER happy with these boots so far though. certainly have drunk the kool-aid... actually, honestly I was probably taking so long to buy them because I didn't want to be buying them because of the bro-brah factor, but they truly are rad. Now just need to step it up to BEASTmode.
I'm not sure if they are really a 130 flex (much softer flex compared to my Nordica Firearrows @ 135flex, in the lower shell especially)... could be because of the softer PT liners; could be that I'm just massive and flexing them in ways that most others don't... but I don't really care, I'm starting to think they ski better anyways!

I don't think their quality of flex is close to alpine boots so the whole stiffness thing is a bit of a red herring but they are insanely good despite my micro-parsing

Yah Intuition will sort you out. Smart of you to go there and invest the time

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

Yah Intuition will sort you out. Smart of you to go there and invest the time

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I think it's Tom that's investing all the time. Check out his instagram. dude rocks!

Yeah intuition Vancover was worth the 13hr drive

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Originally Posted by hoarhey

Driver

what kind of shell fit did you have?
did they heat the liners in an oven or did they use heater stacks?

thanks.

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My fitter who has been working with dynafits and race alpine for years called my fit aggressive and I would tend to agree. It's a close alpine like fit. But toes have room. Concern so far is forefoot but hoping break in gets me there. For comparison, I had to have my current 27.5 dalbello kr2 pros stretched and punched in multiple ways. I've only been out once briefly as of yet, so the jury is still out on what shell work I may need, but for a guy who never fits things out of the box, I am encouraged by my start. Fingers crossed.

Obv not ready for full reviews yet, but first impressions are very strong. Highly intuitive stepping into and driving first turns coming from kr2s. Powerful so far on firm for the one I ran fast. Pumped so far, more to come.

I talked to Tom(?) at Intuition and ended up grabbing a pair of 28 PT's. Also tried a pair of the 27 Full Tilt PW's in them yesterday and they would have worked fine - I may still grab a pair of PW's for inbounds.

I got one day in the stock liners + three days with my KR2 PW liners and the Vulcans are amazing! Very similar forward lean to my KR2's and definitely feel stiffer. I already like the Vulcan more than my Dalbellos. I had my heart set on the CAST system and didn't want to buy into the Dynafit hype but stopped into Bent Gate just to check out the Vulcan/Beast. Ended up going back later that day with my GPO's and put a nice hole in my wallet but worth every penny! Unfortunately the stitching on my right liner fell apart the first day. I got a replacement but it seems to be a different liner - looks the same and says Vulcan but did not seem to heat mold at all and there was much pain on my instep. I'm getting the PT's molded next week and will report back.

Short Q: What Intuition ProTour tongue do people use with their Vulcans?

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Originally Posted by Driver

My fitter who has been working with dynafits and race alpine for years called my fit aggressive and I would tend to agree. It's a close alpine like fit. But toes have room. Concern so far is forefoot but hoping break in gets me there. For comparison, I had to have my current 27.5 dalbello kr2 pros stretched and punched in multiple ways. I've only been out once briefly as of yet, so the jury is still out on what shell work I may need, but for a guy who never fits things out of the box, I am encouraged by my start. Fingers crossed.

Obv not ready for full reviews yet, but first impressions are very strong. Highly intuitive stepping into and driving first turns coming from kr2s. Powerful so far on firm for the one I ran fast. Pumped so far, more to come.

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Great, thanks Driver.

Any recollection of how he heated your liners?

oven or heater stack (that blow hot air inside liner)

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Originally Posted by superdigg

Short Q: What Intuition ProTour tongue do people use with their Vulcans?

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I asked about the PT power tongue - apparently it doesn't do much and it has some flex issues.

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Originally Posted by superdigg

Short Q: What Intuition ProTour tongue do people use with their Vulcans?

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A PW in the right shell was always a no brainer it has always worked for me but IME none of the tongued liners worked, the fact that they got mutiple choices is your clue that you gotta try em on, which is why it was worth it for me to wait for a vancover trip to try all the liners with the intuition people

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Originally Posted by superdigg

Short Q: What Intuition ProTour tongue do people use with their Vulcans?

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I used the stock soft tongue because the boot was plenty stiff already for me

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Originally Posted by hoarhey

Great, thanks Driver.

Any recollection of how he heated your liners?

oven or heater stack (that blow hot air inside liner)

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In the intuition oven. Same one I've seen at my other shop.

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

I used the stock soft tongue because the boot was plenty stiff already for me

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Makes sense, have mainly used the Power tongue in my old boots but will probably switch out to the stock one.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

OK since the stock liners are useless to me and just sitting on the shelf I thot WTF not try this mod SO I removed this^^ piece on one liner and left the other for comparison ^^ as per skialpy, AND so just standing around the mancave there is a very noticable difference in the amount of pressure on the 1st metatarsal as in I think I could actualy ski the liner with the piece removed

It was pretty easy to remove that piece without fucking anything up, just cut the stitches with a razor blade it takes 5 min, as skialpy mentioned the tongue doesn't stay down so well after removing the cover piece but there is a BIG difference

edit: I measured the thickness of that piece with calipers, its 2-3mm thick where they stack no wonder it hurts, if that piece was left out and 2 more sets of lace loops were sewn into the liner lower down to keep the tongue in place the liner would work WAY better

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I finaly got around to making & sewing 2 pair of lace loops into the stock Dynafit liner to keep the tongues in place, did a test ski today AND this piece of shit is quite skiable after the mod, if I hada known this I could have possibly skipped dropping coin on the PW's (?)

If you have instep pressure in the mercury/vulcan I recommend you try cutting that stupid fucking piece of black shit off the instep of the stock liner

I have skied the stock liner < half a day, can I expect it to break in a bit??

Has anyone removed the third forefoot buckle from a Vulcan/Mercury/One? There are several reviews calling the buckle unnecessary and I agree but there's not much guidance on how to remove it. The closest explanation I could find is this from Lou, "removing the OEM buckle. This requires rotary grinding the head of a rivet inside the boot." Is there a better or easier way to go about removing the buckle?

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Originally Posted by sethschmautz

Judo,

Did you ski the stock liners at all? Did you notice much of a volume difference with the oversized PTs vs stock?

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Just to add: My 26 PTs fits my 25/25.5 shell perfectly.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I have skied the stock liner < half a day, can I expect it to break in a bit??

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yes stock liners on mine broke in/packed out after a while. I molded them twice though (2nd time with 2 toe caps, thicker socks), I needed a bit more wriggle room for the cold days.

Before the liner surgery I couldn't do a couple of hrs but I now have a couple of days on the stock liner at the hill, I can see that liner will have more ROM tahn the PW for touring so that will be next which will probably break the liner in a little faster, I think the PWs are warmer and its fucking cold right now so back to the PW's ...nice to have more options

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Has anyone removed the third forefoot buckle from a Vulcan/Mercury/One? There are several reviews calling the buckle unnecessary and I agree but there's not much guidance on how to remove it. The closest explanation I could find is this from Lou, "removing the OEM buckle. This requires rotary grinding the head of a rivet inside the boot." Is there a better or easier way to go about removing the buckle?

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personally, I wouldn't remove it. It might not feel like it's doing much when you buckle up but it does help stop the front of the boot from flaring out a lot when flexing.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Before the liner surgery I couldn't do a couple of hrs but I now have a couple of days on the stock liner at the hill, I can see that liner will have more ROM tahn the PW for touring so that will be next which will probably break the liner in a little faster, I think the PWs are warmer and its fucking cold right now so back to the PW's ...nice to have more options

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yeah the stock liners don't feel very warm. Assuming the liners wear out before the shells, are Power Wraps the Intuition liner of choice?

I'm in 27 shell (304mm BSL) & it was a snug shell fit. What size PW or other Intuition liner would fit?

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Originally Posted by jamesp

yeah the stock liners don't feel very warm. Assuming the liners wear out before the shells, are Power Wraps the Intuition liner of choice?

I'm in 27 shell (304mm BSL) & it was a snug shell fit. What size PW or other Intuition liner would fit?

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size 27. I would probably chose the power tongue if you tour much, powerwrap significantly degrades the ROM in these boots.

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Originally Posted by garuda

size 27. I would probably chose the power tongue if you tour much, powerwrap significantly degrades the ROM in these boots.

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Or the pro tour? I've been into intuition a number of times and their fitter consistently say that if you are relying on the liner to stiffener your boot, get a stiffer boot. As most people are saying this is an extremely stiff boot, why bother to try and stiffen it with the liner? And, if you're going to be using a tongue liner anyways, take advantage of the touring aspect of the boot and make us of the ROM. I have the Pro Tour in my Mercuries and think they work great. Just my $.02.

^^^ agree, though the liner certainly affects how a boot skis, and a stiffer boot isn't necessarily the right tool for the job