Electric Bike Thread

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Originally Posted by grinch

^^Dtv is wrong. I win. Watch and learn newb

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Time to dust off this hoary old chestnut.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Who rides a bike for a workout? If you were riding for a workout the ideal choice would seem to be a 40 lb Schwinn Cruiser. Going from A to B for fun? Electric assist makes too much sense.

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Are you fucking serious with this? Pretty much all mountain bikers would say that it’s awesome because it’s an adrenaline rush and as an added perk you get in great shape, which also makes you better / stronger on the downhill. And frankly the core strength from riding has made me a much better skier.

Slow and butt hurt isn’t a great look

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Originally Posted by DaveVt

WTF does that even mean? You really think you're "Biking" when you ride your eMoto? You seem to just want to shift the semantic to validate your reality. Stop trying to win at the intardnet and acknowledge the truth. Electric mopeds are not mountain bikes and do not belong with non-motorized recreation in most cases.

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Wow, are we still worrying about eMTB's fitting in with non-assisted mountain bikes on this thread?

eMTBs are clearly different... you win. It is exactly like riding a motorcycle. Hell, a Harley handles better on the trail than a bloated eMTB. I was thinking of putting a throttle on mine the other day. Unleashing all of that 3/4 hp without having to pedal is going to be awesome.

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Originally Posted by grinch

Slow and butt hurt isn’t a great look

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Huh?

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Huh?

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That wasn’t for you. Somehow you squeezed a comment in there . The slow was for not bun not getting my “I win” as a dig and being so butt hurt that he had to find a meme. Good meme though, I lol’d #winning

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Originally Posted by grinch

Slow and butt hurt isn’t a great look

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So that's why you ride an eMoped.

It all makes sense now.

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Originally Posted by reckless toboggan

So that's why you ride an eMoped.

It all makes sense now.

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Ouch!!
Not really. Try harder. I could get butt hurt if you slammed me personally, prob not, but I’m just pointing out people’s ignorance concerning emtb’s. It’s fun watching the butt hurt from people commenting that don’t really know what they’re talking about. You for example

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Originally Posted by grinch

That wasn’t for you. Somehow you squeezed a comment in there . The slow was for not bun not getting my “I win” as a dig and being so butt hurt that he had to find a meme. Good meme though, I lol’d #winning

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Yeah, that was an exhausting search and I spent hours.

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Originally Posted by Not bunion

Yeah, that was an exhausting search and I spent hours.

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It’s a good one. Best kept in “photos”

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Are you fucking serious with this? Pretty much all mountain bikers would say that it’s awesome because it’s an adrenaline rush and as an added perk you get in great shape, which also makes you better / stronger on the downhill. And frankly the core strength from riding has made me a much better skier.

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I get the adrenaline rush. Been there, done that, liked it. Any exercise is great, for sure. Guess my snark was from just spending a week watching some real pros and thinking how fit they were.

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Originally Posted by jm2e

I guess I’m just curious about what your objective reaction was to the bike?

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Originally Posted by DaveVt

Hey, get one or don't, but it's not biking. I've listened to people talk about how it's just a bike....let us on the trails....stop the hate....blah blah blah. It's a motorcycle. Access is the big one for me. After experiencing first hand, all the talk from folks trying to convince the MTB world that EMTBs are just part of our experience, part of our user group sounds not only false but so misleading that I would question how anyone can ride a loop on a bicycle, then ride it on a Emotor Cycle and not feel foolish attempting to claim the two modes of transportation are remotely close to the same experience.

Riding an e bike and claiming you are biking is like riding a segway and claiming you're hiking.

EMTB has to really stop trying to claim access based on it's "Pedal Assist" status. That user group needs to do it's own work, build it's own trails, do it's own advocacy. The motor advantage is huge to the point that the motor is clearly providing the large majority of the power. The fact that the throttle is me moving my legs casually in a circle while blasting uphill at 10-12 mph is hardly worth mentioning in regards to how the thing works.

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So what you’re saying is, you have no objective criteria for your negative opinion even after a test ride. You have a biased emotional subjective take on the concept that has little to do with the bike itself. We get it, you don’t like the idea of eMTB, just because. I think we should move on now.



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I love ebikes for replacing the use of a car. Just stay off the trails developed and designed for non-motorized multiuse or mountain bike specific areas. The insistence that they are just a new kind of bicycle is just dumb.

I agree with you and you have made your point.

Anything else starts to become............... Retarrrrrted

We have a few eBikes at work for getting to meetings and such. I can just push the button and go 18 mph without moving my legs. First time I rode one I didn't bring a helmet, figured I would be taking it easy like usual. Almost lost it going into a corner because I was going so much faster than usual.

I totally want one.

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Originally Posted by DaveVt

I love eBikes [and other mopeds] for replacing the use of a car [or motorcycle]. Just stay off the trails developed and designed for non-motorized multiuse or mountain bike specific areas. The insistence that they are just a new kind of bicycle is just dumb.

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^^^Exactly. Not difficult.

Electric motor assisted bikes.

eMo Ass bikes.

This ePower revolution is a wave. Fun to watch history being made.

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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ce-in-seattle/

Sweet!! A little longer to stretch out in , Thule box on the roof and a north shore rack out back, then it’s off to “who’s sleeping in parking lots “ thread

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Originally Posted by wooley12

This ePower revolution is a wave. Fun to watch history being made.

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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ce-in-seattle/

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It's like UPS blew all their money on fancy custom ebikes and only had enough scratch left over to buy a helmet from 1972.

Cool front drive (awd?) mechanism though.

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Originally Posted by grinch

Sweet!! A little longer to stretch out in , Thule box on the roof and a north shore rack out back, then it’s off to “who’s sleeping in parking lots “ thread

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I give you..... The Sprinter Bike.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/31...es-are-rising/

“Moving ahead in a responsible and sustainable fashion”

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Originally Posted by grinch

“Moving ahead in a responsible and sustainable fashion”

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Pretty interesting video.
From interviews I've heard/read with the EWS guys, I think they're taking a pretty mature view of it. It's there, it's not going away, it's a rapidly growing reality, might as well delve into it on the front end and see where it goes.

Curious that the vid seems to focus more on the technical climbing than the descending.

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Pretty interesting video.
From interviews I've heard/read with the EWS guys, I think they're taking a pretty mature view of it. It's there, it's not going away, it's a rapidly growing reality, might as well delve into it on the front end and see where it goes.

Curious that the vid seems to focus more on the technical climbing than the descending.

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Ya it seems like they have a lot more questions than answers . Seems the same on the forums. So many variables between motors. Pros seemed pretty excited about it. I hadn’t considered the uphill play aspect quite that much until the last month or so. Saw vid from an enduro race in the UK. They had an emtb category and the emtb had one extra stage. Extra stage was an uphill but it wasn’t steep at all, even had a couple downs, and they were ripping up hill for over 10 minutes. Good footage. Looked like a blast



Uphill exposure

Just spent several hours in the E-bike rabbit hole.

Boom! Sub-40lb 160mm Travel bike. This is as tempted as I've ever been.
https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/2...ke-day-2.1018/

Quite the looker. Great lines on their new bikes. Cant wait to hear some reviews on those motors

Eglance - looking down to see if someone is on an ebike as they rip by.

Pretty soon you won’t be able tell.

Put a “frame bag” over the front triangle and tell people it’s your touring bike.


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^^
Bikepacking is so hip right now I think that's what I would call it.

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Just spent several hours in the E-bike rabbit hole.

Boom! Sub-40lb 160mm Travel bike. This is as tempted as I've ever been.
https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/2...ke-day-2.1018/

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8 more pounds off and I *might* be interested.

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Originally Posted by rideit

8 more pounds off and I *might* be interested.

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That's around how much my bike weighs. And it's definitely not electrified. Gonna be a few years... but they'll get there.

That reminds me, I should go for a bike ride.

"Produce an EMTB that would convince the people sitting on the fence, or perhaps are not yet convinced that electric power is necessary on the trails."

I'm fairly positive electric power isn't necessary on the trails.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

"Produce an EMTB that would convince the people sitting on the fence, or perhaps are not yet convinced that electric power is necessary on the trails."

I'm fairly positive electric power isn't necessary on the trails.

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It isn't. And I say that as an old, out-of-shape, chronically injured mountain biker.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

That's around how much my bike weighs. And it's definitely not electrified. Gonna be a few years... but they'll get there.

That reminds me, I should go for a bike ride.

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I have said this before, but I will buy one when:
They are ~33 pounds
Cost ~$5000
I am 60

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Originally Posted by Shredhead

Eglance - looking down to see if someone is on an ebike as they rip by.

Pretty soon you won’t be able tell.

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I think that is 90% of the point.

I don’t know why anyone would want it any lighter. Most of our dh bikes are pretty much that weight and we move them around fine with more travel. There’s even talk amongst the seasoned emtb riders that it might be too light. After they’ve adjusted to the heavier bikes they’re liking the planted feel. Just talk but I think it’s definitely close to perfect . That lapierre can be trimmed of a couple pounds with some $ and not have lighter tires if needed. Because the motor is part of the battery tube, the cranks spin without friction like a normal bike , that bike can be a 30lb carbon enduro non emtb

Pretty funny how quick the anti emtb crowd change their tune after a tiny spin,young and old)

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Originally Posted by grinch

I don’t know why anyone would want it any lighter. Most of our dh bikes are pretty much that weight and we move them around fine with more travel. There’s even talk amongst the seasoned emtb riders that it might be too light. After they’ve adjusted to the heavier bikes they’re liking the planted feel. Just talk but I think it’s definitely close to perfect . That lapierre can be trimmed of a couple pounds with some $ and not have lighter tires if needed. Because the motor is part of the battery tube, the cranks spin without friction like a normal bike , that bike can be a 30lb carbon enduro non emtb

Pretty funny how quick the anti emtb crowd change their tune after a tiny spin,young and old)

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Totally agree. I have a 180 mm haibike, 53 lbs, and it's the best bike i ever had. I see no reason to be lighter.


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Originally Posted by grinch

I don’t know why anyone would want it any lighter. Most of our dh bikes are pretty much that weight and we move them around fine with more travel.

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Sure, but go ride a DH bike on a "normal" trail. They feel like fucking pigs.

Based on my time on e-bikes, they're more or less fine on flowier, jumpier trails where maneuverability isn't really a factor. But on slower speed, more technical trails, the weight was fairly apparent. They didn't like to change directions very quickly, and it was harder to push them around in tight spots and sharp corners. Not saying that it was impossible or anything. But the extra weight was definitely noticeable, and mostly in a bad way. Anyone saying that they're glad the extra weight is there is just an apologist. This same discussion has been had with respect to regular bikes too - a small minority likes to talk about how extra weight is somehow better. And pretty much everyone ignores them.

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Originally Posted by rideit

I have said this before, but I will buy one when:
They are ~33 pounds
Cost ~$5000
I am 60

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I think you guys are missing the mark. Why buy a pretend mountain bike instead of just embracing the fact that this toy is a light motorcycle?

I'll take a 75-100 pound bike with an ungoverned throttle and the power equivalent of, say, a 100-150cc motor.

Shoehorning this technology into a pretend bicycle is the wrong approach and precludes you from having something much more fun.

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Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

I think you guys are missing the mark. Why buy a pretend mountain bike instead of just embracing the fact that this toy is a light motorcycle?

I'll take a 75-100 pound bike with an ungoverned throttle and the power equivalent of, say, a 100-150cc motor.

Shoehorning this technology into a pretend bicycle is the wrong approach and precludes you from having something much more fun.

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I believe this to be true.