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the thing is for the most part they all look the same so you can't tell without either knowing or goggling
one of the crew bought a used Jonsered, it looked fine/started fine but it was a dog because it was not a pro quality
so when buddy pulled the trigger it just kind went waah instead of sounding like it was angry
and he knew it was a dog/wished he had bought something better
run a a pro saw next to a homeowner saw and the difference is very obvious
Thought it was 036pro —>362 and that 361 was bigger displacement HO saw.
If you want to get really picky it was 036 -> 360 -> 361 but the 360 was only made for a couple of years if IIRC. A lot of people were calling the 361 a homowner saw and not a pro saw besides what Stihl was calling it. I had a 361 and liked it but sold it in 2008 during hard times.
https://en.stihl.ca/STIHL-Products/C...-forestry.aspx
Sthil 261, 362, 461 are the industry saws so I think 361 also had to be pro quality my buddy whom I have cut a lot with uses a 361 and it is a real saw
I got the 261 it will run flat out all day
I recently met a local long time pro faller buddy is 63 and just a little guy but he looks tough as nails so he told me he uses the 461's of which he owns 3, he sends them off to get souped up/ported for higher out put with low weight, sez they are the best saws he has ever used
IMO go pro
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Bob was one of the all-time greats, and a notorious asshole. Or so said my gramps and anyone else who met him. Also instrumental in keeping Shoeless Joe and Pete out of the Hall, not that Pete needs any help in that department.
Homeowners kid brought out his saw to play with us. (Also not ideal for what we're doing but still pretty happy with my husky)Attachment 322620
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I have an ms361 that I've blabbered about in this thread. I bought my used and in need of a lot of love. I did a lot of internet research about the saw, troubleshooting its various problems. New, it definitely cost like a pro saw and i believe that it has the comparable innards of other pro saws. I'm pretty sure that it was sold tuned to meet new (at that time) emissions and noise level standards and many users of 036 and 360's were pretty disappointed. There was/is a huge thread on modifying the muffler and retuning the carb to improve power on arboristsite.com. I did it to mine, and it had noticeable improvement.
With the sudden end of ski season, it looks like I'll be having more time this spring to cut wood than i played to.
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Anybody using a bow bar on a saw?
only inmate crews use bow bar
fkn dangerous
The new chainsaw FB group has a thread bantering about bow bars, their safety, etc. I’d never heard of them until now. Seems like the big safety issues may have been related to users removing (or not installing some of the safety features that come with the saws? Idk.
I don’t have experience using them. Only seen them with CA inmate crews I have worked with on fires and trail work.
I know very very little. Apparently, they’re great for bucking wood on the ground because you can be upright and use the weight of the saw. Not sure about how you keep from duffing your chain. also, looks like it requires mods to the saw.
the inmates use them for shitty brush
manzanita and shit
That makes sense, too.
I used bowbars on an Angeles NF (CA) hotshot crew and a Los Padres (CA) helishot crew in the mid/late-70s. They were pretty good for punching fireline in SoCal chaparral, but not for anything much bigger than your wrist. They had a dog on them that (theoretically) kept them from flying into your face, but theory>actual use. If you weren’t trained and practiced...yeah, they were dangerous. I’d never get one now.
Homelites with bowbars in chaparral, that takes me back.
Nothing like a fresh chain.
I've got this little guy and it's great so far. Use it to chop up fallen wood behind the house. Makes easy work of it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...359aed09e1.jpg
I have a friend with one of those ^^^. He loves it and uses it frequently. He also has an ms290 and a friend with an ms660 (if he needs something bigger). But he prefers to use his battery saw.
Glad I can bring back some good memories :)Quote:
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Until yesterday, I’d never heard of them. Outside of the FB thread on the “chainsaw repair, mods, and all things chainsaw!,” and a few videos, I’ve never heard of them. This video got me thinking about their use for bucking https://youtu.be/Yf-XSqHz148
That guy is using them with a pretty heavy (big?) old saws.
This vid shows a dude using one for bucking outside of an instructional vid: https://youtu.be/e5u-4_VfdIU
Anyway, it got me thinking about all the logs of Doug for that I’m accumulating from thinning my little property, well over 100 “trees” at this point and growing, and the hours of bucking ahead of me.
I've never heard of a bow bar but maybe they just never caught on around here ?
Well, I dunno. I’d never seen one used like that before. I guess if you really hate bending over, like that guy does, I could see using one like that. My experience involved pushing the bar pretty much straight into chaparral, not for fire wood. And IME they weren’t great for making a straight cut in larger stuff, if that’s important to you - the narrow nature of the bar construction made it easy to get off track.
Also, the dogs out near the tip on his bar were pretty substantial, which is good. The ones I used on fire crews were smaller (and lighter to carry) and the huge amount of tip on bowbars make it pretty easy to get some fast and furious kickback if you didn’t (or couldn’t) get the dog set. So keep that in mind if you go that way, you gotta set that dog or...
In XXX-er’s country, I’d think they’d only be useful for thinking little pecker-pole stands...maybe.
Interesting.
I agree. It’s interesting. Thanks for thoughtful responses
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60+mph winds this AM had me running saw after the nado threat moved off.
I got my saw out of storage this morning - I haven’t cut since October - fired right up first pull -
12 year old Husqvarna 455 Rancher - it’s never let me down
Did you run the tank empty last fall, or use gas stabilizer?
I picked up a stihl farm boss for $20. Need to get in to the shop and tuned up.
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ran it empty
left the gas cap open
stored in a cold garage
new gas and mix
up to now I’ve used my saw here and there over the winter so it didn’t sit for long
I’m cutting tomorrow working for a friend - gonna put on my freshie chain - cedar cuts like butter
^Cool.
I dig my 455 rancher although it's only a couple years old. Lotta plastic but it fires up first or second pull every time. Mostly cut wood for the house but its seeing double duty with some work I've been doing.Attachment 325513
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All the Sthil have the same plastic parts on the outside they are all orange/grey, doesnt matter if they are industrial or homeowner they all look the same, so you gotta check the specs to know which is which and make sure you use the right saw for your app
Anyone else run bean oil (maxima 927) in their 2 stroke mix? A cold morning, a good running saw, and the smell of castor oil is just divine.
Sthil would double the engine warranty if i bought a 6 pack of Sthil oil and then i just kept running it
I keep the little empty bottles to refil with chain oil, one bottle holds > enough chain oil for a tank of fuel
Chain oil is easier to pack/put in a pocket and i know if i have enough by counting the little bottles
I remember the smell of bean oil in dirtbikes way back in the day and while it did smell good I don't know if it lubricates better ?
I remember an ad for a dirt bike oil which smelled like strawberries. I think it was to make the hikers less grouchy when you roosted them on the trail
Sold my Husq Rancher 55 after selling the house on the country and moving into town.
If I decide I need a new one, I’ll look into the battery powered e-saws.
Milwaukee. I've used a couple different ones now and the Milwaukee is superior imo.Quote:
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That's awesome. MB's don't have anything like that when they strafe the hikers.Quote:
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Re: The Ego battery saw
How long does the battery last in the real world while cutting?
I have an Ego battery leaf blower. I love it, but a battery only lasts a few minutes in "turbo" mode (the only speed I ever use) so clearing the yard and driveway will eat all 3 of the charged batteries I have.
I also have the edger (weed whacker) and that runs for a good long time on a battery as it clearly operates using much less power than the blower power.
I can't imagine getting the Ego lawn mower knowing how much power a mower uses and how short lived the battery would last (even though the mower uses 2 packs at once)
I have to imaging the chainsaw uses even more power than the blower per minute, (but less than the mower) so that would be a really short session.
I need a saw soon, it's time to deal with 5 trees worth of crap laying around the yard. I want to get something that's part of a system so I end up with a couple of batteries that work with everything because I hate when batteries die and you have to put something on hold to charge. I'm also going to add an impact at some point, a blower but that's not immediate because my gas one works fine, saws, random orbital sander and polisher and a few others. I guess my biggest thing is what battery/plug/voltage system is going to last the longest going forward? It would make me crazy to have a bunch of stuff I can't use because batteries or chargers aren't available anymore.
Milwaukee is on the pricey side, I wonder about Makita. Is it even worth it to go with Craftsman or Ryobi? I'm leaning towards Makita because they also have mowers and snowblowers, they just double up on batteries. Like this https://www.toolnut.com/makita-xcu03...batteries.html
^I think you're looking at it correctly.
Makita is good stuff and Milwaukee is totally committed to the 18v battery platform. They're just messing with amp hours now for more power. I've said this in here before, but Milw deals at a X trade supply store are better than box stores when the sales are running. Their focus is contractors for turns.
I’ve got a different looking Makita 36v chainsaw which I bought last year. It’s probably very similar to the one you listed. I use it a lot on little aspens and willows around my 3 acres. Mostly for trimming along trails when loppers are too small. If I need to cut 5” or larger trees, out comes the Husqvarna. Or if I’m brushing I use the gas saw. The battery one is just too slow. If you are cutting close to the house, I’d consider a corded electric. Makita makes excellent ones alsoQuote:
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