the key advantage to the fr16 over the fr14 in my experience was that it was in stock locally.
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the key advantage to the fr16 over the fr14 in my experience was that it was in stock locally.
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I'm considering ordering a Trofeo to replace some old Dynafit speed turns. Does anyone here have experience with these? I've read at least one review mentioning difficulty, a lot force required, to rotate the heel piece to switch lifter levels from 0 to high. Assuming I get the Trofeo 8 wouldn't the rotational force to rotate the binding be the same as the also Dynafit set on 8?
The "high" riser on these is basically the same as the race flap over the pins. Other than needing flat, i don't rotate. They are tough to spin, but less than any plums i use so maybe i just don't notice it. I like em but they are a race style binding with the pros and cons as such. If you run an 8, the oazo I think is a little better.
Release has to do with the u spring, not the tightness of the tower and the detents. You can break them in by rotating a bunch at home. It sorta scores the metal and beds in like a disc brake. Pros of the tight rotation is I've never gotten slop in an atk or plum tower where the easier to spin dynafits and MTNs got loose.
Are the brakes on the C-raider 12 interchangeable? Found a decent deal on a pair but they come with 86mm brakes and I need 108.
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Yes they are easy to swap out. Same brakes across all ATK bindings. I have a spare pair I could sell, either 102 or 108mm I can checkQuote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
Yeah they are definitely hard to rotate but seem to have gotten a little easier after a year of break in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno
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So, hand rotation ease is a function of lateral RV and how much leverage you can apply with your hands.
Smaller race bindings are more difficult to spin as a result. Sometimes, flipping the riser gains you a touch more leverage.
... Thom
Awesome thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Agree, but ... flip the riser only on the Trofeo, since it is specifically designed to "nest" for such a purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Other ATK race models, as well as many race models from other companies, can physically be spun 180-degrees with the heel cover flipped to extract a few more mm of riser height, BUT the heel cover could ended up being broken by that.
Thanks for that. Makes sense and since I'm unlikely to huck or cliff drop on purpose I'll probably buy another Voyager 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by hafjell
By the way, Evo now has it on sale for $594
https://www.evo.com/alpine-touring-s...nt-voyager-xii
Other than the always active brake, does the front 12 really add much for the ~50g over the normal r12? I remember the old front brake raiders being a love hate thing
Love mine, would prolly buy the front 12 next. Very cool update to a great design.
The redesigned al09 freeride spacer is a big improvement on the og design. I broke a wing on the og design almost immediately, and BD shipped me the redesigned spacers no questions asked. Havent skied em yet but they look g2g.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y6uf1ijLpepvTW8H7
I’ve searched but haven’t found a definitive answer: can you remove the brakes on Freeraiders/Voyagers but keep the freeride spacer?
Yes. You can buy a cover for the brake attachment to prevent ice buildup but it’s not required
i haz a 108 you can haveQuote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
and we saw ya on the news the other day and smiled
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Awesome offer man, thank you. But I waited too long to pull the trigger on that good deal. I’ll wait and see if they come back in stock, but not holding my breath. I’ll keep in touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Someone else told me they saw me on the news too, they must be running something old since I haven’t done an on camera in a while? Although I have been known to do a 2am interview and forget all about it.
zion zig zag, ATK are out of C-Raiders until next season but I've got a couple of pairs left in stock and I have 108mm brakes. If you'd like a quote just PM me your zip code.
FYI, sorry if already posted, just asked ATK about the release value of the U of the Kuluar and compatibility with the other ones that their selling :
ATK Kuluar 9 is sold with the “U” spring of 6 and lateral release values from 4 up to 9.
ATK Kuluar 12 is sold with the “U” spring of 10 and lateral release values from 6 up to 12.
Yes, these “U” spring is the same of ATK Trofeo and you can buy them in 4 different values. (4, 6, 8, 10).
it was asking for info on an Otown arson
im gonna pass em on to westcoaster
i also have a 200mm
but need a 300mm
happy to grab em from ya!Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
How many people in this thread are skiing the ATK bindings without heel elasticity (Kuluar, Trofeo, etc) hard, and how does that compare with the Raider bindings? I have a pair of Backland 95s mounted with FR14s, and an unmounted pair of Backland 107s.
Thinking maybe I'll remount the FR14s onto the 107s and pick a lighter binding for the 95s. I definitely want something burly on the big skis, but maybe a trofeo or a kuluar is enough for the skinnier planks.
But I'm wondering how the lighter bindings would hold up to hard skiing on skinnier skis...
Anybody got much A-B experience? Or any concerns about a fixed heel turret?
First of all the Kuluar has heel elasticity. To answer your question I notice the heel elasticity or lack thereof on softer skis but rarely on stiffer skis
Hi!
I need some advice :)
I’m building a super lightweight setup - currently on BC Corvus Freebird with FR14 and Camox Freebird with R12. Both bindings are set to 11 (although I’m assuming that might be a tad too much).
I ski relatively fast, but never huck cliffs or do jumps. I’m 6ft1 and around 200lbs. Online calculators suggest anything between 9 and 10.
The lightweight setup is supposed to allow me for longers tours, but also, some steep skiing in and around Chamonix. For a lot of the steep descents, I will lock the front anyway, but would prefer not to have to do it for all my runs. The ski will be a 184cm Orb Freebird (90mm wide).
I’m thinking of getting the Haute Route 10 (bc of the heel release), but also looking at Trofeo Plus *or* the Kuluar 12 LT. Almost convinced about Haute route but just wondering about the max din release value of 10. Will that be enough for that purpose? Most of crazy skiers around here ski on Dynafits 10s and Trofeos
I had a crash and had to come back early so won’t be able to test a release value of 10 on my existing skis this year and have a good discount on ATK bindings so wanted to stock up while they run out.
Thanks!
If you're worried 10 being enough retention the Kuluar 12 would probably be the best choice. It weighs ~20g more than the Haute Route and ~40g more than the Trofeo Plus which is pretty negligible, and you gain elastic travel in the heel which in theory should provide more consistent release. The only downside is a steeper ramp angle, you can shim the toes if that is an issue but would add a few more grams.
So essentially my question was also, should I be worried about 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I would imagine the crazy skiers you know who ski Dynafit Radicals and Trofeos also lock their toes regularly. At your size you would probably feel less inclined to lock out with the Kuluar 12 than a Trofeo.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyp
+ on lines where I really don’t want to release, I do lock them anyway. And this ski will either be that or really long spring missions (and not a lot of crazy chargin afterwards)Quote:
Originally Posted by hafjell
Sorry to just be repeating myself, but I’m trying to double check my thinking (and I’ve seen your previous posts on why companies design bindings with >9 DIN).
Given my weight and height - that makes sense to you still?
Would you go for Haute Route or the Trofeo Plus for those applications? 20grams doesn’t matter, but the 100 bucks could :)
Thanks for taking the time!
I don't see the point of the Haute Route unless you're sharing the bindings with someone else.
I'd say go Trofeo if you don't want stoppers, go Kuluar if you want them.
Note that the Kuluar 12 come with a 10 U fork and ATK doesnt make 12 U forks. So for the vertical release you'll be at 10 anyway.
Reg the elasticity of the Kuluar, that's a plus indeed.
I'm planning to sell my Mantra V-Werks / R12 and replace it with a TX103 that I already bought.
Debating between keeping the R12 or going Trofeo / Kuluar. I'm laning towards the Trofeo.
Actually I'm also considering a ZX108 (2050g / ski in a 184) with the Trofeo, you know for color matching. Well nope, it's just to push the concept, heavy skis / light bindings :)
would you mind sharing your height/weight / skiing style? im leaning toward the trofeo PLUS. i might use a different boot on them occasionally - ZGTP and the new peak carbon from tecnica hopefully..Quote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
I charge quite a bit, big turns, but I don't jump cliffs. I'm 68kg / 179cm and I almost never prerelease, I set my DIN at 8 and it's enough. So people prereleasing much might have a different experience. I have 3 pairs of R12 at the moment, never skied something lighter like the Trofeo yet. I ski quite steep stuff in Nendaz/Verbier.
Ajdustment is easier with the Kuluar rather than on the Trofeo, if you wanna swith boots often, just one screw to turn.
If you're switching boots regularly that adds another point towards the Kuluar. It is way easier to adjust the heel piece on them, its just a single screw. Adjusting the heel pieces on the Trofeo/Haute Route is a frustrating process dealing with 4 torx bolts on each side, occasionally stripping screws and breaking bits. I have a stash of extra screws and bits just because I have a lot of these bindings but if I were starting over the Kuluar would be pretty appealing.
Thats a fair point! I think i wont do that often, though. I am assuming it will be once or twice per season (really depending on how the Zero G Peak Carbon will ski..). I also have a Camox Freebird 188 with an R12 that I sometimes use for steepz :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
So the price of the kuluar is lower essentially only because of the weight? + the heel is higher than trofeo plus but it has elasticity?
Because the Haute route has the massive adjustment range or needing the vertical release adjustment?Quote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
I like having some adjustment range so I am not stuck with a single boot that works on the mount. And personally I don't care for u-spring bindings, so the Haute route checks the boxes for me.
Because of the release adjustments both vertical and lateral of the Haute Route.
Boot adjustment system / range is the same between Trofeo and HR, same plate.
Yeah, makes sense. Costs 20grams/ski for something that shouldn't need to be adjusted.
These are a pretty good deal for anyone looking for something similar to a crest 10.
https://www.oliunid.com/kastle-tour-...alpinismo.html
Kastle rebranded ATK Rent 10? $280
I bought a pair a couple months ago and have also ordered a fair bit of other stuff from them. No problems with the vendor or binding.