2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

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Originally Posted by glademaster

I'm not really sure, because the asym is what defines the Q and is a huge part of what makes it such a special ski, so the idea of a symmetrical Q is an oxymoron to me.

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An oxymoron indeed, but since asym. skis don't work for me on 2D snow, I was curious.

The Q did a lot of things right, but was unsettling in whiteout conditions (dust over crust). Having crap balance when skiing by braile, I'd occasionally lose the sweet spot, and would be waiting for a Tabke moment. My Down CD114s and my GPOs never never caused me to lose confidence like this.

I can visualize a "sym-Q" as being a being a sweet build version of my Down CD 114s (the ski that made it easy for me to sell my Qs). [edit]Or ... as I was musing in the Q thread ... a Fat-Q (+10) could have it's moments. I loved the Q in deep snow.[/edit]

Or ... is it the Rx I've been after all these years?

... Thom

For no reason at all besides for conversations sake, what Praxis ski compares best with a Kartel 116 type ski? Thinking jibby fat ski

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FRS

Done did it

194 FRD, 4+ flex, heavy+veneer

Fooking stoked for these

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Done did it

194 FRD, 4+ flex, heavy+veneer

Fooking stoked for these

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What graphic did you go for?

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Done did it

194 FRD, 4+ flex, heavy+veneer

Fooking stoked for these

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Stoked for you! I had big plans for a H+C/V 193 mvp this year but recent events have forced prioritization despite my attempts at rationalizing

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Originally Posted by nickel

Stoked for you! I had big plans for a H+C/V 193 mvp this year but recent events have forced prioritization despite my attempts at rationalizing

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Effort the shit out of that rationalizing and get back on track. 187 MVP heavy carbon veneer heading my way.

I'm planning to sell my 13/14 193 MVP, enduro 3+ flex cherry graphic (nylon) after my new skis arrive if you're interested.

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Originally Posted by skuff

Effort the shit out of that rationalizing and get back on track. 187 MVP heavy carbon veneer heading my way.

I'm planning to sell my 13/14 193 MVP, enduro 3+ flex cherry graphic (nylon) after my new skis arrive if you're interested.

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We shall see, much can happen between now and then. Might even have a job again!

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Originally Posted by powder_to_the_people

What graphic did you go for?

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Blobs. Curious to see how it turns out.

The deciding factor was looking back through this thread and saw mallwalker's wootests on page 38 with maple veneer+cube top and they look absolutely fantastic.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Blobs. Curious to see how it turns out.

The deciding factor was looking back through this thread and saw mallwalker's wootests on page 38 with maple veneer+cube top and they look absolutely fantastic.

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I was torn between Cubes and Blobs, I bet the Blobs are gonna look sick

185 9D8 with Heavy Hitter 4-flex arriving in late summer. Went with Abstract graphics. What a great guy Keith is to work with!

Currently somewhat debating whether I want to go Heavy/Carbon/nylon or enduro/veneer for FRS skis. I love veneer, but kinda want the heavy core. Ideally I’d have both, but extra $150 has me shying away

Anyone have time on heavy/nylon or heavy/Carbon/nylon layup? And can compare to heavy/Carbon/veneer, or enduro/veneer?


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I have a heavy core/carbon/nylon build in my SKIs. No experience with any other heavy core combo.
Personally I love it. I'm not hyper sensitive to builds like some of you are. It's plenty damp, the weight lends to stability, and still responsive, which might be more do to the SKI having a good amount of camber. I opted against veneer last year to save money, but wish I'd have splurged.

I also currently own enduro/veneer (protests) and MAP/carbon/veneer (GPO). Protests #4 are rockets and incredibly stable, if from nothing more than the mass. GPO could be my favorite ski, but have been bounced a bit in bad/crud/shit conditions. In anything moderately soft they rule.

I'd love to build a pair of heavy/carbon/veneer GPO or Qs.

If anyone wants a mid-fat, more traditional ski with camber, nice low rise tip they should look at that SKI. It feels bigger in soft snow, smaller in firm conditions.

I've got Heavy/Nylon Q's and they are steam rollers in sierra cement, great for tracked resort days. They are heavy, and with the fall line tenancies of the Q I have to be on it (show no weakness!) to have a good day. I loved my 110 uf MVP except the light weight and resulting deflection when the snow started setting up firm, those skis had a nice loose feel in 3D snow that could be strong on edge when needed. I suspect a +10 MVP (now known as FRS) would be equally loose, float better, and gain *some weight, the question is how much? I'd be afraid the heavy core might be too much, but then adding carbon and veneer might offset?If I were to do the Q's again (or a FRS) I'd probably look to the enduro core and opt for veneer for added damping, I suspect the weights would become more managable while the ride quality would become more lively.

Does anyone recall ever reading about someone getting veneer and regretting it?

I don't mean expressing a natural curiousity about how much it contributed to the build.

... Thom

I recall some complaints about the bamboo veneer when it was offered, because it chipped/gouged easily, even when beveled, but other than that, no I haven't.

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Originally Posted by Muggydude

Currently somewhat debating whether I want to go Heavy/Carbon/nylon or enduro/veneer for FRS skis. I love veneer, but kinda want the heavy core. Ideally I’d have both, but extra $150 has me shying away

Anyone have time on heavy/nylon or heavy/Carbon/nylon layup? And can compare to heavy/Carbon/veneer, or enduro/veneer?

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Thanks for asking this. I’m in the same boat for the same skis.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Blobs. Curious to see how it turns out.

The deciding factor was looking back through this thread and saw mallwalker's wootests on page 38 with maple veneer+cube top and they look absolutely fantastic.

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Great choice. Blobs is also on my radar, along with Maze Green and Quartz. I've abandoned the idea of Alpenglow, as it looks like with veneer, one of the brightly coloured graphics is the way forward. Too much choice!

FYI my experience is with the coloring on veneers is really positive. Blues and reds come out really well and blacks are really rich. The purple on these skis are also very deep. The seafoam type green really plays with the birdseye maple beautifully as well. Keith makes some amazing skis.

Also, any of you been on the EXPs? I'm 6'2" 225 and I cant seem to find a mid 80s touring ski that is above 180 cm except EXPs. How did everyone find the flex? I would assume a 3 would be perfect for those skis.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b650b89479.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jtlange

FYI my experience is with the coloring on veneers is really positive. Blues and reds come out really well and blacks are really rich. The purple on these skis are also very deep. The seafoam type green really plays with the birdseye maple beautifully as well. Keith makes some amazing skis.

Also, any of you been on the EXPs? I'm 6'2" 225 and I cant seem to find a mid 80s touring ski that is above 180 cm except EXPs. How did everyone find the flex? I would assume a 3 would be perfect for those skis.

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Line art is great on veneer - Ibex, Tsunami, etc.

Solid colors end up being a bit muted, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I much preferred the Max theme on my Qs (over photos of it on nylon), and the OG GPO graphic is great.

I usually tour in the 180 range, and love my 173 EXPs that I got from @grinch.

One common complaint with light, mid-80s skis is that they don't do Spring glop well. The EXPs exceeded my expectations - just drive the tip and they bust through.

The EXPs can bend a tight arc and hold an edge on harder snow. I know some folks prefer long radius skis for jump turns in couloirs. I can't comment about this or compare the two design approaches

I don't have a remote temptation to seek out a Zero G 85. I can't imagine a better ski than the EXP - different maybe, but not better, and I'm OK with the weight. If I were to do anything, I'd shave 150g by going from Plum Guides to some light ATKs.

My 173 EXPs (veneer, flex #3) come in at 1425g. I'm 5'9, 165#

I usually ski a flex 4 in Praxis.

... Thom

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Originally Posted by Jtlange

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Wish this was a stock Praxis graphic option - these are sweet

Here is a good example of how things will "wash out". When we did this design the wash out was expected and planned for as we picked colors that would show the grain nicely while popping off the ski.

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I'm partial to having just the text from the "Redwood Surf" graphic printed on my veneer. I actually have that same graphic on both of my veneer topsheet Praxis'.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

I'm partial to having just the text from the "Redwood Surf" graphic printed on my veneer. I actually have that same graphic on both of my veneer topsheet Praxis'.

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I did that on my big red Protests and I'd do it again.
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Woah, what's going on with those? Did you have the printed woodgrain from the graphic printed on top of the veneer? Or if not, how did the text end up lighter? That's a very cool effect.

I discussed with Keith. No woodgrain, just transparent red on olive ash veneer and the logos.
Basically anything white in a graphic shows as transparent when he stains the veneer. So I told him I wanted the red to be transparent, and the logo to be clear so the wood grain showed through. Logo on one ski tip, another facing the other way on the other ski tail.
He nailed what I was picturing in my mind.

Ah, cool, so a transparent red die on the veneer with clear for the logos. Very unique looking. I really like it.

Those are unbelievable.

I dug up a photo of my departed Qs with veneer/Max. Seems as if I always end up selling my prettiest skis. Maybe there's a lesson here?

https://galibierdesign.com/images/ot...ote_Max_02.jpg

... Thom

Ive got that on nylon GPO’s. My favorite graphic


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I have been a slacker regarding touring this year, outside of nordic, but I am enjoying my switch from tele to A/T lately for spring corn tours. I still prefer tele for rolling terrain on the way in/out. The edges on my BCs were sharp enough to shave with I think, detuning continues. Flex 3, Enduro+C, maple veneer.

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I have been a slacker regarding touring this year, outside of nordic, but I am enjoying my switch from tele to A/T lately for spring corn tours. I still prefer tele for rolling terrain on the way in/out. The edges on my BCs were sharp enough to shave with I think, detuning continues. Flex 3, MAP+C, maple veneer.

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Nice!!!

What do those weigh as-shown?

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Originally Posted by N1CK.

Nice!!!

What do those weigh as-shown?

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2148g / foot

Those BCs are sweet!

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

2148g / foot

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190 cms?

I ordered the same for this year except in 180 (enduro, carbon, #3).

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Originally Posted by dschane

Those BCs are sweet!



190 cms?

I ordered the same for this year except in 180 (enduro, carbon, #3).

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Whoops, should have noted that. 180cm Weight includes leashes for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

2148g / foot

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So the BCs come in at about 1800?

I guess my hopes of an 1800g, #3, UL/Veneer (maybe carbon), 182 GPO are unrealistic, then.

That makes sense though, as my 182, MAP/Carbon #4 pair comes in at 2020.

It's probably for the best, with this Spring's cash flow ;-)

... Thom

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

So the BCs come in at about 1800?

I guess my hopes of an 1800g, #3, UL/Veneer (maybe carbon), 182 GPO are unrealistic, then.

It's probably for the best, with this Spring's cash flow ;-)

... Thom

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1787 on the nose for each ski.

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

1787 on the nose for each ski.

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I'll bet they're sweet.

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

I'll bet they're sweet.

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They have been great so far in shallow dense powder and corn, pockets of powder here and there. And a total joy for climbing.

I got spoiled with the BCs being exactly the same weight. The MVP pair differed by a whopping 2 grams from each other, haha.

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