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Originally Posted by LeeLau
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Don’t worry,eventually that buthurt will subside. EventuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
#winning
I ordered a pack from Unit Pack Power, if my house burns down form faulty cell's I'am blame you guys. I did make sure the description claimed LG / Samsung cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate
The uci can fuck right off. That was my opinion before e-bikes existed, and it continues to be my opinion now. Those fart sniffers should stick to fucking up road racing.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
How long before the UCI holds an e-moped Tour de France?
Looking at setting up a group buy on butthurt ointment
I may need some to with all the additional mileage I’ll be doing soon
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All that saddle time you will be getting, better order a 50 gal. drum.
So much for the argument that there will not be a need to mess with the power outputs.
You talk about the American way and Sheeple?
Part of the "American Way" is to take whatever is stock and begin to tweak it for more speed/power.
Sure people are going to tweak shit.
My point was UCI are setting limits for their races ,based on standardized speed limits for the assist and power output, that is aligned with the current speed and power regulations in most countries. It seems most people have stayed within those limits were evokes are popular. In most cases the trail dictates the speed anyway, apart from going up. The market has widely said the power is there now, some are questioning the new/to be released Haibike motor being too much tourque, and they’re wanting the bike companies to be focusing on lighter weight and more battery capacity. Seems to be the consensus atm . More power and/or tourque is going to add weight and/or decrease battery life
One thing is for sure, they’ll be good courses popping up everywhere. It’ll be easier to shape less hilly locales into good riding areas . The hill here in revelstoke is now making some trails and word is they’ll have a fleet of ebikes. With all the existing trails there now that makes a substantial e bike zone. That should make in excess of 20k vertical feet of quality trail in year one
FTR , Canadians are sheeple too. Lots of anti ebike hate in North American in general from people without trail advocacy concerns. Followers of hate, fragile ego and ignorance of what emtb’s actually are(as evidence by the misinformed throttle motoX , no pedaling comparison). Crazy talk with no basis arguments from nosey neighbors . “You must ride this way because I do, even though your way has no detrimental effect on my riding”
No “I” in ebkes bud. You can be the “rebel”Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
Please define
"no detrimental effect on my riding”
a) trail access
b) trail user interactions
c) trail impacts from increased use and range
d) public perception
e) trail user rules and enforcement
A) I stated in my post I was referencing people’s stances that weren’t related to advocacy. That’s another argument whether they should be included or their overall effectQuote:
Originally Posted by Redsmurfer
B)if I ride an e bike up a shuttle road and down a trail what’s the dif? Some two way trails maybe e bikes aren’t going to work. Nowhere did I say there shouldn’t be common sense regulation
C)trail/environmental impact would be slightly less at shuttle areas and slightly more elsewhere. In the big scheme of things comparatively speaking there’s not a lot to support an overwhelming increase in environmental degradation. It will separate trail users over a larger area. E bikes are also a good tool to haul trail tools farther into the backcountry . More riders(11%) = more trail $’s
D)public perception is ignorance. Say no to ignorance duh
E)trail use rules and regs should be common sense not ideology based. Start with shuttle and one way trails are open then decide which 2 way trails are useable or designate alternate “climb to” routes for access. Conflict would be minimal with common sense regulation. We seem to get along fine now giving right away where necessary to avoid conflict
It’s not rocket science. There’s countless other countries that have paved the way. I guess you can stick your head in the sand and stick with the imperial system even though there’s more to lose than gain. It’s fun and they’re going to be everywhere and I can easily use one without conflict and even lessen my environmental impact so your lose my gain. Oh well
Totally faking it!! Must be getting large paper
EMTB or not, this is just a beautiful bike . Could be the perfect North American entry as it can be a normal acoustic 30lb enduro bike(without the battery/motor) or a 39lb EMTB . Zesty with a shorter stroke shock and same eye to eye can be 140mm rear travel. Add a dual position 150-180 Tavel rs lyric and it’s a quiver killer
Hey Grinch you got your DOT approved helmet and DOT approved tires and full insurance for your electric motorcycle yet?
Sounds like RSTBC is scrapping the draft plan they had for all Crown land trails in BC, the original just defined them as a separate user group from moto and from bikes. Now it seems they are going to be considered full motorized and have some insurance and DOT regs thrown in.
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Originally Posted by grinch
That is a beautifully built machine. If you didn't know any better it could pass for a fully human powered bicycle. $ 8800.00 isn't that far off from other high end carbon setups.
Perfect for "Smashing the Trails", as the Rep says.
I have no idea really on current regs or how these new ones will apply. I find it hard to believe they’d be ticketing Mt bikers for non dot helmets and tires though putwho knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by shirk
I see the local cycling club here has put out a survey on members thoughts on EMTB access. The ski hill is building trails and apparently will have a fleet of emtb’s.
I think it could be a great marketing approach for a community or communities. “The number 1 destination for emtb’s in North America”
Shirk, you should build one. How is your curent diy build doing? Build a high single pivot with the Shimano 7000 mid drive with your current B.B. type pivot tech would be dope
Not that I would ever spend $9K on a bike, but are there any Lapierre dealers in North America? My local E-Bike shop can get just about anything but they said they couldn't get those. The Lapierre North America facebook page hasn't been updated since 2015, and forum postings indicate they stopped selling bikes here in 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Bulls has a similar bike that should be available here though.
Good question . I figured there was a North American distributor. I seem to remember some mags getting in on a cheap price on lapierre’s. I think they had a sale on lower end regular full suspension bikesQuote:
Originally Posted by skysos
The bulls does look very similar. I think it’s a 140mm travel bike though. Pretty sure it has a weight limit as well(200lbs? Not sure)
So I rode an ebike today up the trails behind my house. It is so clearly NOT mountain biking. It's not close to biking. It is just a bullshit scam to ride electric motor bikes on bike trails. (I knew this but the experience was shocking so I felt like it's worth a mention) The "Assist" the motor provided is pretty much stupid. I caught myself wondering how anyone could honestly feel like they were participating in any part of mountain biking on that thing. Buy a moto. Ride it, then go mow your lawn. You'll get a better workout and you won't be try to scam your way into the fold of a group that wants nothing to do with you.
Who rides a bike for a workout? If you were riding for a workout the ideal choice would seem to be a 40 lb Schwinn Cruiser. Going from A to B for fun? Electric assist makes too much sense.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveVt
A little biased here?
I bought a180 mm travel front and rear e bike and it's absolutely great.
I'm riding now 13 hours a week instead of 9 and do twice the downhill.
Getting more exercise, same average pulse and max pulse rate as before.
What's not too like?
Plus, the downhills are more fun with the bigger suspension travel.
Not quite like a downhill bike, but pretty close.
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^^this exactly
I’m sure davevt could beat this years emtb world champ or stick any downhiller in the race and they could win because it’s not a workout and the motor does all the work. BTW this years emtb world champ is non other than Julian Absalon. I think he’s still the most winningest xc rider/racer in history. Multiple World Cup wins as well as Olympic gold medals. He wins with fitness, not downhill skill and a motor to do all the climbing. Davetv is wrong and the evidence is overwhelming/fakt
Ive now had 2 friends with ebikes that have caught fire. One while riding and one while charging in their garage. I'm aware there are ways to mitigate this hazard such as type of li battery, but still....
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Ive heard of that happening. What brand were they? There was an issue in whistler at a rental shop. I think a settlement is pending. I’m not positive on the issue, if it was battery/charger/motor, so I won’t name the brandQuote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Idk. One was over a year ago (the one while riding). Both were xtracycles. Both had been used quite a bit.
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Oh ok, something to be aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
I’m pretty sure the ones I heard about had a recall and they have something new out that seems to be getting good reviews so far. It’s one bike that is not at the top of my short list(I’m guessing they’re a little too pricey for me) but it’s a consideration
It was a friend of a friend that had/has the rental shop with the fire issue. I’ll update if I hear something.
I guess I’m just curious about what your objective reaction was to the bike? It seems kind of like your objections stem from the premise that people ride bikes primarily to get exercise and to be part of a group. So if those aren’t my personal motivators, what reasons can you give to dissuade me from getting an eMTB?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveVt
I have thought about getting into moto, but that seems a lot further from biking than you suggest. They’re loud, they smell bad, they weigh hundreds of pounds and I think I’d need a special way of transporting them. Plus, the ability to throttle definitely increases potential for trail damage that an eMTB simply doesn’t have. Oh, and i would have no idea where to go.
On the other hand, my gut tells me that a bike weighing 8 lbs more than my DH rig would feel like a bike and have no measurable increase in trail impact. And might be fun. But I love hearing first hand reports as I decide whether to buy one.
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The recent fire (garage) was when charging. Apparently, no bms and not LiFePO4 batteries. He said that he had not "kept up" on the batteries for a bit of time.
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Hey, get one or don't, but it's not biking. I've listened to people talk about how it's just a bike....let us on the trails....stop the hate....blah blah blah. It's a motorcycle. Access is the big one for me. After experiencing first hand, all the talk from folks trying to convince the MTB world that EMTBs are just part of our experience, part of our user group sounds not only false but so misleading that I would question how anyone can ride a loop on a bicycle, then ride it on a Emotor Cycle and not feel foolish attempting to claim the two modes of transportation are remotely close to the same experience.
Riding an e bike and claiming you are biking is like riding a segway and claiming you're hiking.
EMTB has to really stop trying to claim access based on it's "Pedal Assist" status. That user group needs to do it's own work, build it's own trails, do it's own advocacy. The motor advantage is huge to the point that the motor is clearly providing the large majority of the power. The fact that the throttle is me moving my legs casually in a circle while blasting uphill at 10-12 mph is hardly worth mentioning in regards to how the thing works.
Slightly different scenario, but got my wife an e-cargo bike recently to haul kids around (my non-e cargo is a beast to pedal with 100 pounds of gear and kids on it). Simply put, it’s a motorcycle not a bike. Whizzing by riders on our local bike paths, I feel like I shouldn’t be there. The cheating feeling is overwhelming, and because speed isn’t regulated by my legs, it’s honestly dangerous if you don’t really know how to ride. Whipping around a 90 degree R hand turn, uphill, at 20 mph could lead to a lot of bad things happening if you aren’t really careful. That being said, all three kids can hop on one bike and we can all be downtown in 5 minutes without my wife breaking a sweat. Unbelievably practical but it’s not riding a bike.
I see this happen a lot. A number of people only have to ride a month or a year or two and all of a sudden, they’re an authority on cycling.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveVt
Your knowledge and riding experience is very limited . Build a bit of trail , now you have a right to dictate what people do in the woods. You should ride how ever the fuck you want and mind your own business. I’m never going to ride a single speed or a fixie or gravel grind or road bike or even a hardtail for that matter. I see the attraction. More power to the people that dig it though. It’s just not my thing. I ride dirt singletrack. Emtb is a good tool as is my trail, dh, dj bike. Moto would suck on dirt singletrack but of course you’re to narrow minded to understand that part
'Merica ^ x2
A Contradiction: There an area that i used to ride (from my house) that had ton of fun, tight, techie singletrack. All originally created by motos. The zone is now generally closed and those trails have been developed. The area now hosts one of the more famous enduros in NorCal.
Supposedly, some of the formerly great trails in the Bay Area were originally created by or generally used by motos. Many of those trails are now closed to bikes and user conflicts escalated. An old friend used to ride his moto through many of them in the 80’s.
Pot meet Kettle.Quote:
I see this happen a lot. A number of people only have to ride a month or a year or two and all of a sudden, they’re an authority on cycling.
I rode a dirt bike for years and they rule on single track. So fun. Not biking, just like your electric moto.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Yes, there’s always exceptions. We have some great trails, world class, and some would be great on a moto. A lot of the lower valley trails could be ridden by a moto but they are tighter than preferable. The enduro moto trails are built by the same contractors and are similar except they’re built with a way bigger line of sight and generally way less steep. I wouldn’t want to ride a mtb or emtb on the enduro motorbike trails in the same way I wouldn’t want to ride an enduro moto bike on our lower valley mtb trails.i would love to have an emtb for all our mtb trails where appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
The lines can be further blurred, especially in places like Squamish, where a fair portion of the trails were at one point moto trials trails. Mtb and moto trials both like tighter techier trails but they’ve found a spot for each with the small differences between the sports. A lot of old downhiller friends also have moto trials bikes . I’m guessing the Bay Area trails might be a little more open and not amongst tight steep trees? Guessing idk
You have a narrow scope of what mtb trails are just like your narrow scope of what mtb riding is. You have a lot to learn. You should pay attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveVt
Never said that I haven’t been guilty of it. I have been a bike bum since mtb started so I took some lumps and learned from it. I also feel I have enough experience at this point to recognize trends within the sport . I’m open to listen to new things. I’m open to learning. Hard to learn with a narrow mind thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
To clarify, I meant mtb enduro: “tds”
WTF does that even mean? You really think you're "Biking" when you ride your eMoto? You seem to just want to shift the semantic to validate your reality. Stop trying to win at the intardnet and acknowledge the truth. Electric mopeds are not mountain bikes and do not belong with non-motorized recreation in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
^^Dtv is wrong. I win. Watch and learn newb
Yes that’s how I understood itQuote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper