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Attachment 448097Attachment 448098 finished them up today. 4.7mm of toe lift. A hair rough around the edges but it should be good! Was a hair nervous about using the same holes but seemed to be good and they held torque! The just shim photo was pre finishing.
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Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Dug up this quality old post.
Do these measurements still hold for the newer Tecton 13?
Another great thing about brands like on3p and praxis. Quality cores hold screws well and you can feel it putting the initial screws in. Nice to have that confidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by soupcan66
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Redrilling the insert holes if you've already got the proper holes drilled is the easy part. I've found that inserts have a bit of wiggle room so the torque ing maneuver you did with your original mount also works well with inserts. Fear not.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
I got out on my new tecton 13s today and pre-released on my 4th turn. I figured I stepped in poorly, but then found that there was broken plastic piece in the toe, just below the pins. Here's a pic of a normal toe.
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Here's the broken toe (see just below pin)
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Is this common? Replaceable? Let me know if you've got experience with this issue. Thanks.
I had that exact same piece break off of one of mine. It seemed to function just fine with it broken it just didn’t spring out by itself when stepping in. Black Diamond was great and sent me a new toe piece.
wait, what - you shimmed the toes on a Tecton?Quote:
Originally Posted by soupcan66
I've found the delta to be 3mm lower (lower heels) on tectons compared to castified pivots with my Lange XT3s, making them hard to ski for me.
GW Pivots are 4 or 5mm higher in the front than say STH2s. I would have added a shim under the heel to get them flatter / more similar to pivots, not raised the toes even more.
Adding 4.7mm would make the delta 7.7mm compared to castified Pivots, causing a huge difference in angles, like >20 degrees - aka instant back seat skiing for me. Aka tech race binding type delta here.
Cool that you set it up to make them work for you though :)
How would decreasing delta make you instantly backseat? It makes no sense. I get that get that people get backseat on bindings that have high delta angle but don’t understand how a flatter delta puts you backseat
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hell I don’t even know that I can feel the ramp angle but I’m a beater and I just ski
first, I wouldn't generalize what happens to me to all skiers. I couldn't ski tectons for the life of me last year after having grown used to xt3 12 degrees boots + castified pivots delta.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
secondly, yeah - it perhaps makes more sense with too high delta. Though, if you drop the heels you'll also shift the center of gravity rearwards, so it makes sense in that way too.
Anyway, I did not mean to spark a delta debate here - I was just really surprised at somebody shimming vipecs as much as 5mm up front. Good on you if it works for you. I guess they end up like Marker Alpinists or some such, and lots of people enjoy those.
I appreciate learning about this stuff - all any of us can do is share our own experience
https://skimo.co/bnd-shims
there’s probably a reason B&D sells a 6.4mm shim for Tecton
I hope i didnt steer the op's question in the wrong diection, or stancs as it were. Kid kap is a good numbers guy so that had me thinking. Its been a while since i went back to back w/wo risers on my tectons on a ski i had. I thought i remenbered liking it but maybe the boot affected that opinion and in tge end i couldnt make the ski work for me and sold it.
When i think of a poor delta i think of seeing my self and others on a dynafit radical. It looks and feels goofy. Front of the boot noticeably down below the heel. Terrible feeling too. It was night and day after i put a toe riser in. Toe riser did take weight off the tips and to the tails more. It wasnt a ton of shift but noticeable. I think just being more level to the ski just gives a bunch more predictability as well. Being on an even fulcrum point so its easier to switch pressure for/aft. Im fine with pivots but i could see having a couple mm higher toe but thats hair splitting at that point
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The delta on tectons are 10mm heel high approximately if I am not mistaken. With my tiny BSL it felt like I was tippy toeing around especially in variable snow. I unfortunately haven’t been able to get out and test them out yet sadly to see the difference but I think it will have a large positive impact on allowing a more natural pressure on the tongues. I may say screw it and try to ski them inbounds tomorrow on a Monday pow day but we will see.
Could I ask the collective opinions on Vipec vs Tecton - how much better does the Tecton ski for the extra weight? Will be for an 90/10 touring/resort setup, mainly lift accessed from Whistler. May ski inbounds on the way to/from touring but would not be used for a full day inbounds.
maybe the reason I don’t notice the delta (besides being a fkn beater) is that I have a large foot (BSL 337)
this makes me wonder about the delta on my girlfriend’s Dynafit Rotation 7….
I like my tectons I think they ski really well but the truth of the matter is I don’t find myself in many situations where I’m like dam I’m really glad I’m not on a pin heel here. I do find myself making more calm and less aggressive choices in the BC but I think that’s most of us.
I'm with Soupcan here, have the v1 Vipec Evo 12 (the toe denter) and a v2 Tecton...I don't ski hard enough in the BC to notice the difference and I am mildly frustrated that lighter weight boots I'm considering might not even be officially compatible with the Tecton.Quote:
Originally Posted by soupcan66
I'm taking it even one step further though and mounting some Xenics to trial.
Vipec. I can’t tell much difference skiing wise. I would shim the toe if you’re sensitive to steep binding delta.Quote:
Originally Posted by samp
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I agree with Going Coastal. I’ve never skied Vipecs but pins to Tectons is pretty noticeable and for whatever the difference is (550 Vipecs to 600 Tecton grams?) Tectons seemed like a no brainer.
I think I accidentally deleted my post because I suck at the internet, but yeah the weight penalty isnt big, something like 50g.
The Tectons ski a little better depending on how you ski and what your skiing, but I really prefer the transition from walk to ski on the Tecton. I had Vipecs transition unexpectedly a few times, which is mechanically impossible with the Tecton. I think it was a slightly large heal gap that was causing it, never had it happen again after I adjusted.
But the Vipecs ski a lot better than a traditional pin in my experience as well, so I'm team Tecton but the difference between them really isn't that big.
Just here to say I wish I had tecton’ed a slackcountry setup rather than shifts. Unfortunately no turning back with too many holes to drill more. Ya live and ya learn
Thanks all for the feedback. I'm definitely in the not skiing hard enough to notice the difference category, though it's interesting the weight difference is only 50g that is less than I realized.
This is to replace a 2200g ski + shift setup and am going to ~1800g ski + vipec/tecton so either way it should be a big improvement.Quote:
I wish I had tecton’ed a slackcountry setup rather than shifts.
Tectons + V-werks Katanas has been ideal for Whistler slackcountry for me. Skis fine inbounds too. Hawx XTDs rounds out the package.
Ski'd both the vipecs and tectons for years. You do notice the lack of heel elasticity in the Vipecs inbounds, but having the elasticity in the toes really does help. The Tectons are a notable difference in better downhill performance and they are only the slightest bit not as good as full alpine bindings. But if you're really just looking to use them to access bc terrain off of the resort the Vipecs would be just fine. Also the Vipecs ski better than any other tech binding (minus Tecton of course), and I'd put them equal if not better with Kingpins for dh performance but you don't have to worry about your front pins going missing, they're WAY lighter, and you can easily do ski on transitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by samp
The ski in/out at Whistler is relatively mild compared to all other touring spots that go through a lot refrozen trails and subalpine. No one needs a tecton to get down from Duffey. You don't need a tecton to ski the cat track at Whistler.
broke the small plastic piece right in front of the toe - seems to ski just fine
I think that may be the forward fall release nub that broke. The nub that was denting the toe on boots. The new nub design looks a little easier on boots. I guess you lose that one release feature on that toe. I think theyll still have more release features than a traditional pin tech binding like a dfit speed turn type. Could be a good thing if they warrantee it for the new toesQuote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
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yeah I’m going to send in a warranty claim when I get home
Vipecs have heel elasticity, the only difference that I can feel between Vipecs and Tectons is the Vipecs have a higher delta.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
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No, the Vipecs do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
They have ski flex compensation that utilizes a spring for that action, like many other modern fully featured tech bindings that try to claim "elastic travel". Race style u-spring bindings achieve it through a 4-6mm heel gap. Vipecs do not have elastic heel travel/retention in the vertical or lateral direction. The Tectons DO have elastic heel retention in the vertical direction just like an alpine binding.
Try riding Vipecs and Tectons all day in the resort. You'll notice a difference.
This is definitely true, but I ended up getting the tecton as the 50g weight difference seemed worth it for the potentially better downhill performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
Am looking into the actual Tectron 13. Does anyone know whether Fritschi fixed the boot toe denting issue during a forward fall in climbing mode or does the stepin still need to be grinded down?
Thanks.
yes, the forward release nob is now wider and distributes the pressure better over the toe box.
I used them both all day at a resort. The difference is minimal. Yes the tecton feels more like an alpine binding. The Vipecs do have longitudinal elasticity and that helps smooth the rideQuote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
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I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Thanks, but does that really mean the boot stays intact? Got a brand new touring boot and would hate to mess it up like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by twat
I toe punched Vulcans with Gen 1 Vipecs. Also saw a touring partner toe punch their Backlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
New gen toe pieces, no problem
Thank you, much appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
got this from BD on 04/01Quote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for reaching out about your Black Diamond product.
We should have the part you are looking for but it will need to be sent out directly from our office.
We only have one person in the office per day for such requests and we will get the part out to you as soon as we can.
Thank You,
Nate