Dunno how, but Dad got his 3/4ton diesel registered for farm status. Worked out using the truck as a daily driver for many years. Enforcement is pretty lax in BC though - need a fuel tank in the bed before you get flagged for a check.
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Dunno how, but Dad got his 3/4ton diesel registered for farm status. Worked out using the truck as a daily driver for many years. Enforcement is pretty lax in BC though - need a fuel tank in the bed before you get flagged for a check.
I've had friends get stopped and checked but my trucks aren't diesel.Quote:
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So this is weird - when I got gas in OR today it was the same price across the board. Didn't matter what grade you bought.
$3.39 in the SW suburbs. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by skiballs
3.47 in this suburb
Covid killed off 4 or 5 US oil refineries, so there is a little less of that crack spreading going on.
I've got a selection of costcos on the way to some of my frequent destinations which are usually the cheapest gas around. $4.59 and $4.39 right now depending on location. Paid $4.19 at one in LA a few days ago. Lots of other stations are $5 or much more.
Navy exchange stations are a tease at 20c below Costco.
Then there seem to be a selection of stations that put false cheap prices in the Gasbuddy app. I've tried a few....basically if it's cheaper than costco it's probably a fake price.
I paid between 3.37 and 3.59 for regular (87) around NYS this week. I've seen it as high as 3.79 at a Thruway rest stop. Premium is as high as 4.90.
Oil and gas refining and marketing companies are making an average profit margin of 7.9% right now. The energy sector as a whole is closer to 15%. If you think they are skinning a fat hog, most are public so you can be an owner by purchasing shares and...share in the windfall. If you have any extra money after filling your tank that is. I don't know if it makes for good investing or if I get any of my money back but whenever I feel like I'm getting ripped off, I usually feel better if I invest in the companies that are doing the ripping.Quote:
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My Chevron stock is doing well. Inherited it from dad. I bought the shop/station 1 year before we stopped selling gas 1988, (evap monitoring was just becoming mandatory). We sold Standard then Chevron gas, oil and greases since 1928.
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$4.59 at the Costco by SFO yesterday before returning the rental car. Was fully expecting the usual $5-$6 a gallon. Pleasantly surprised.
A shop teacher told us during WWII there was fuel for tractors on the farm but it was rationed and illegal to burn on the road so they would weld up the bottom of the fuel filler, put some unmarked RUG in the filler to make it thru a fuel check and there was a 2nd remote filler somewhere on the vehical where they filled up with the illegal fuel
Don’t think regular unleaded was a thing during WWII. Maybe your shop teacher liked to tell stories.Quote:
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ok i made the mistake on calling it RUG so it would have been regular gas, but whats amazing is you couldn't figure that out yourself , the point was they fooled the gas police of the day
Sounds like a good storyQuote:
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In Jh:
$3.82 RUG
$4.19 DZL
Man, I wish the diesel would level off lower; the TDI averaged 44.7 mpg the other day so I got that goin' for me.
The regular gas old pathy tho, it gets about 15mpg, downhill, w/a tailwind.
Oddly, diesel here is 40c cheaper than Reg lately. If you call $4.49 cheap. Washington is kicking itself in the nuts.
WA gas prices are right where they should be
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No they aren't. WA fuel taxes are ridiculous and even the state politicians know it. That's why they are all backing away from the bill that jacked them up and trying to figure out what to do. Inslee is trying to pretend he didn't push it as hard as he did because everyone is pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Fuel should be expensive. People will drive less if it hurts. People need to get out of their cars. Ride share, carpool, bus, Sounder whatever.
The politicians care because people are whining. They thought it was fine when things were booming but facing reelection they backslide. I get that you don’t agree, how are the high fuel prices impacting you?
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Yes and no. Sure fuel should be expensive to discourage driving, but north america really doesn't have good alternatives.
Does anyone know why diesel was more than regular for the last few years and now it's beach to being cheaper?
Not positive on the level of impact, but Europe’s need for diesel and the issues with fuel supply as a result of Russia’s aggression with Ukraine contributed to the rise in the world prices for the fuel. Alternate sourcing and market corrections like refinery capacity have now caught up to increased demand?Quote:
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Free market capitalism?Quote:
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wow, this ain't no " Bob in the lunch room " rantQuote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound
isnt the price of petro highly subsidised by the gov of USA ?
More subsidized than in our neck of the woods certainly (or at the least far less taxed).Quote:
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Diesel for petro fuel has far greater demand in Europe than NA, coupled with seasonal demand for winter heating fuel back east and northern Canada. Not sure the numbers, but looking at news and the like a year ago, the issues with sanctioned Russian supply in Europe seemed to be the biggest factor in the high price of diesel compared to RUG.
But maybe there was another impact - like a butterfly flapping its wings in the Gulf of Mexico, or ‘unscheduled’ maintenance in a refinery in Timbuktu - that caused ‘global market rates’ for fuel to jump in price. This being The TRG, there are experts (like real petro dudes, not just dentists on summer vacation) lurking that likely know the real answer - would love to hear them chime in.
exactly ^^ we need > a bob in the lunch roomQuote:
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IME when I ran diesel 20 yars ago it was always 50 cents a litre cheaper and it made sense but if RUG was the same price it would not make a busines case, also i was always one very big repair bill away from a negative balance
Gotta pay for all the free drugs, needles, phones, free money for all the junkies somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
brain worms. Have another hit....... Of fresh air.
i'm just needling. i wish i could pay outrageous taxes, i just haven't gotten around to it yet..
Rode my bike to the top of the biggest open pit mine in the world the other day. Impressive, but couldn’t help but wonder are these huge mines the alternative to fossil fuels? Does lithium mining look like this? I’m not an EV expert but I think a lotta folks driving them likely aren’t considered where and how that lithium was obtained.
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Originally Posted by Trackhead
lithium mining looks very different. It's a bunch of evaporation ponds.
A bunch of images here: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...bih=1279&dpr=1
Now the other minerals used in the batteries, motors that may look similar to that in some degree.
60 minutes story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxGBJJH0jw
The lithium is in solution.
But aren’t a percentage of mines open pit and not evaporative? Where’s the water coming from for proposed Nevada mine? They are already out of water.
Isn’t lithium a pretty similar process to any other other mining process? Mined from ore (which will always involve a pit and digging? I think it is pretty similar to the gold mining process. Ore is mined, crushed, roasted and then leached out in bid leach ponds. Unless I am completely wrong, which I could be. But If you are going to process ore you need to dig it out, regardless of what type of mineral it is.
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You asked about Lithium. Lithium is evaporative. They certainly do have to do dig up ore in some instances but I don't think it would be at a scale of the Bingham canyon mine (you are using the most extreme example of open pit mine as you noted). Both are going to have a footprint to some degree, pick your poison.Quote:
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If you watch that 60 mins video you'll see they are grabbing brine from deep in the earth. Here I linked to the time stamp: https://youtu.be/ApxGBJJH0jw?t=288
That is one type of lithium mining - open pit is another and is currently the most common.Quote:
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appears nv mine gets it from deep salt water wells too
https://www.albemarle.com/offerings/lithium/lithium-101
"Brine containing high concentrations of lithium is pulled from saltwater aquifers using extraction wells. From the wellhead, the brine is diverted to an evaporation pond system. Using solar evaporation, the lithium salts are concentrated in the brine and eventually routed to the next pond in the system. This step is continued multiple times, until the lithium concentration reaches a level high enough for conversion to lithium carbonate or lithium hydroxide."
Yep, my company has done a small amount of work for those mines as well. Not arguing about the process just the fact there is more than one technique being employed. In the long run I am on the side of EV vehicles for fossil fuels, but to think there isnt any impacts is myopic. Pulling water out of aquifers has its impacts as well.Quote:
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Check out cobalt mining in the Congo. 80% of it comes from there. Literally slaves clawing in the ground at gunpoint w thier bare hands. Noone cares.
dam you are much more nonweldable than my ass googling things lol.
I guess i'd rather a single point source pollution of a mine that is localized to some area in the middle of nowhere in some briny aquifer that no one uses instead of mass amounts of co2 being released into the atmosphere and all the infrastructure to support moving/storage/dispensing/combusting of fuels all over the planet which has much more impact to more people