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The R120 beta is a killer ski. However for personal style the new rocker profile will likely end up as a Goldilocks for me. The touch higher tip and tail make it a touch more soft snow focused and likely a touch “less” ski. I still don’t think I’ll be anywhere close to the speed limit on the updated R.
The Whitehorse is also a stupid amount of fun and is one of the easiest skis I’ve ever been on. Much more on the playful side for an HL offering.
Okay I was curious but now these skis have my attention...Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
I think (emphasize think) that they are a 193FR110 with respect to to sidecut, but with the HB rocker profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
Not sure on flex, but my guess is round.
softer tips and tails, nice and stable underfoot from the quick hand flex the other day.
FR taper/sidecut, HB flex, and a kiss of camber underfoot. Mine are about 2280g per at 193. I can ski bell to bell on these are not be the least bit tired. A playful dad ski that can pushed much harder than its flex would suggest.
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Would you all stop it? I don't need to buy any more HL skis when I already have two unmounted pairs in my shed LOL
My unmounted amount for next year is concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
Updated R120
HB122
191 Jeff 118 and 124
186 ripper rocker Jeff 108
I guess my point to that is. What’s one more? lol
I’ll be real curious on Jeff 118/124 vs HB122. Glad someone is testing. I thought jeff118 was a lock on pow ski for next season but hb122 seems like it’d be stupid funQuote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
Jeff 108 was the favorite DD, but FR110 has edged it out
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Just chatted with MO, and this...
...was his description.Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
Aw, hell.
You did it didn’t you? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
How could I not?Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
TouchéQuote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
I'll probably regret not getting them since they were affordable for me right now, and nothing is guaranteed to pop up in that price range.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
I was kind of debating sizing though too. I have the FR110s in 193, and that size was very easy to ski. I bet R120 would have been fine in 187 though. I don't mind shorter powder skis since my places get tracked out so quick and everything turns into powder moguls quickly on deep days.
Loving it! Keep up the good workQuote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
HB122 and Whitehorse seem super fun. Depending on how close to center they can be mounted, that's the type of ski I want to size down on and get jibby.
Jeff 124s are the first On3p freestyle ski I've drooled over in a long time. Never got along with Jeff/Kartels personally. Those J118s in Factory Finds are nice too, but I got a feeling I could actually get the 124s to work well for me. I don't have the money for a custom set, and if I did, I'd probably stick with Heritage Labs, but I can't wait to hear your findings on the ultra Jeffs.
I’m not a jibby skier, but have skied the HB122 and can confirm they are ridiculously fun. Whitehorse also seems like my vibe, stoked to get on those. And with an R105 also on the way, the inbounds quiver feels pretty dialed.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
I currently have (and love) the BC105 so clearly a big-ass touring ski that complements the rest of the collection would really tie the room together. The BC120 Swallowtail *could* scratch that itch, but a touring/carbon layup HB122 would be hilarious and amazing!
They're backQuote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
Sounds like HL nailed it, making slightly more stable old K2s that retain the playfulness/forgiveness. Easy to ski all day, every day. Surprisingly stable for how easy going they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
They are gone! My buddy snagged em
Thank God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upinsmoke
I put them in my cart a few hours ago, to think about it.
Make sure he posts up his impressions.
I’ve got the FR110 (it is so good!) and have ordered the R120ST…..
Pretty sure the two HL skis will get the most of the use next year if we have good snow.
Almost feel sorry for my Pilsner Hojis and Renegades.
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That hurts my feelings, kc... with my Rens on the wall, and R110's on the way. (I kind of know that the R120ST is my Ren replacement. Please don't tell my Ren.)
But it begs the question-- What is the actual mount point for my 186 R110's? MO recommends 86.75 from the tail. My 186 Rens (a completely unrelated ski) are mounted at 87cm from the tail.
Perhaps another question is-- what is the exact center of sidecut of your FR110's from tail?
You're one of the dorkiest mount-point posters on this board. I'm gonna lean in to you for your input on where you personally think recommended is for the FR110 based on center-of-sidecut. Or-- your personal experience.
In further news... my OG plan is to listen to Marshall, and then grab some calipers to find the true center-of-sidecut, and then choose my line based on previous experiences. All said-- I doubt I'll be questioning MO in his recommendations. I trust his work. I usually trust the work of the designers. Almost always. Perhaps always.
But we all know kc dances around with mount point more than most. So what are your instincts for the R110, kc? I'm curious if they fluctuate at all with MO, et al.
Put demo bindings on mine. Ended up liking -6
I’m more trad. You can go further forward
-6 is pretty progressive, Hoji’s skis are mounted close to that. -5.5 for his boot and a little farther back for bigger boots. I ski my Renegades and Ravens at -8 and that’s for a bsl 327. That’s probably where I will put my bindings on my 194 r110s.
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YOYOYO!Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
My honest rec is to keep it simple. If you are coming from a Hoji designed ski and happy with the location, and moving onto the HL 110 or 120 of relatively similar length, just mount them at the same position.
So if you are pleased with -6.5, for example, just do that again.
Gaijin….thank you for the compliment! More people in the world should think about mount points.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
I’m pretty lucky to have the Hoji Trinity. But I’m thinking the FR110 + R120 Swallowtail’s are gonna get more use next year.
My Rens, Hoji’s and Ravens are all on the Hoji rec lines.
Here are my measurements:
184 Ren, 182.0 straight pull, I’m 85.3 cm from tail (-5.7cm)
184 Hoji, 182.5cm straight pull, I’m 85cm from tail (-6.3cm)
184 Raven 182.5cm straight pull, I’m 86cm from tail (-5.3cm)
Another way I look at ski mounts is what is the distance from your boot center to the tip? Eg I don’t like “too much” ski in front of me, as I ski centered. It’s a feel thing.
Based on above:
184 Ren has 96.7 cm in front (eg. boot center to tip)
184 Hoji has 97.5cm in front
184 Raven has 96.6cm in front
Note sure why the three 4FRNTs measure different, and each have different recs, or why the Hoji rec is mounted -1cm from the Raven but they all feel great on the (dimple) line. I’ve been in front of Hoji’s rec lines and it’s not as good. Rec on the 4FRNT’s is dialed.
My ideal rec range is -4cm to -7cm. I do have 170cm Head e-Titan SuperShapes at -11cm but they’re irrelevant here.
For deeper soft snow I think 96cm/97cm in front works for me. For everyday ripping around 95.5 cm “in front”. I have this all in an Excel since 2012, with about ~100 ski measurements (of which I’ve owned ~36).
Re my thoughts on the 180 FR110/R120….
I spent the majority of the last 1/2 of the season on my 180 FR110’s. I would continually pass up the Rens, Hojis, Animas, Optic 114/104s and instead grab the FR110’s if there was even a hint of soft snow. The FR110’s are that good. They feel like they are a part of you and you ski like a god.
My 180 FR110’s straight pull at 179.6. I’m 84cm from tail (-5.8cm) which gives me 95.6 cm “in front”. They are perfect. Rec is -6cm and may even be more perfect. Trust Marshall.
For the 180 R120ST….instinct is that I’m likely going on rec which per Marshall is -7cm…or 96.8cm in front (similar to Ren/Raven). And slightly more in front than the FR110, which makes sense as the R120’s will be used in deeper snow.
KC
FR110 mount:
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Hoji Trinity mounts:
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Ordered some 186 FR110’s today. Taking the HL plunge!