21/22 Gear Rumors

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Originally Posted by MD12

Booya. Zipfits for me. Total game changer. Just picked up rx130s (replacing pro machines) and tried the stock liners for two days. Reminded me of life before I tried zipfits a year ago - boots feel great when you first put them on - then constant numbing, pins and needles, pressure points, too loose, too loose there, then run out of buckles, then cut off circulation. First night I adjusted the canting, played with spoilers and was better for first run then the same drill. Switched back to zipfits and Booya - no pain, outrageously good fit, no adjustments throughout the day, and had my best day on the mountain and aside from some minor adjustments after the first run was dialed all day. Zipfits for me are the most important piece of equipment i have for skiing (I guess aside from custom insoles, I just couldn’t ski at all without those).

Booster straps also great.

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I’m kind of the same way but with PowerWrap. I never even bother to try the stock liners.

How do you uses your booster strap? Straight up power strap replacement over the cuff, or under the cuff which sounds kind of weird to me. I’ve never got around to trying one but have one on my workbench.

Except the current offerings from zipfit all walk like shit and the cork moves around the achilles area when you use them for touring.

The lange is kinda cool, but if it fits like a boat why bother, its not even that light. If I’m going to be forced to ski in a boot that fits like trash while touring it’s sure as hell going to be lighter than 1500 grams that way its at least good on the uphill.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Could be a cool ski if it’s not too light.

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Looks like a dumbed down Invictus 108 ti. The original Invictus was such a great, overlooked ski.


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Agreed. I only use zipfits for lifts and hiking, not touring. Foam or solid cork (like the nordica cork liner which I prefer to Lange foam liners) is better for touring.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

I mean if I was going to spend money it sure as shit wouldn’t be on a stock pair of Lange liners. But to each their own. If these new liners weren’t going back to Lange I’d send them to you. They ski like shit.


There’s a reason Intuition and Zipfit are in business.... I don’t know why more companies aren’t like full tilt and roxa and just contract intuition to make their liners over all these half ass other companies. Or you can be like atomic and just charge more because you’ve had to develop your own liner and half the time it’s a failure.

Lose lose. Buy a aftermarket and be an adult.

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Consumerism creates perverse incentives. To maximize sales, stock liners are designed to fool consumers by looking impressive and optimizing shop fit but are otherwise disposable. In a world where long term comfort and performance mattered (and I have seen this in a few rare cases) ski boots would be sold as shell only (and priced accordingly), and would be fitted with an appropriate (to the users anatomy and intended use) custom liners.

I use the World Cup over the cuff. Tighten so it’s firm and a few cinches in to just barely start the stretch but not super tight.

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Originally Posted by MD12

I use the World Cup over the cuff. Tighten so it’s firm and a few cinches in to just barely start the stretch but not super tight.

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Appreciate the info.

Is there any info about new avy packs with Alpride Electronic system?

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Originally Posted by madriverfreeride

Except the current offerings from zipfit all walk like shit and the cork moves around the achilles area when you use them for touring.

The lange is kinda cool, but if it fits like a boat why bother, its not even that light. If I’m going to be forced to ski in a boot that fits like trash while touring it’s sure as hell going to be lighter than 1500 grams that way its at least good on the uphill.

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I dunno. I think the shell fits great. It’s definitely nicer then the hoji free I just sold. And walks better. Might weigh a little more then some of the true tech boots but I can tell you that the xt3 and xt tour ski way better then a lot of true tour boots.

I hear a lot about Achilles movement and all this other stuff. Maybe I’m doing it wrong but both my pairs of xt’s are set up so that I can walk with full motion with my top two buckles closed. Opening them does nothing for my motion. If my top buckles had to stay open I don’t know how I wouldn’t have blisters or hot spots on my heels, but I can tell you that my Achilles doesn’t move around. But like I said. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by madriverfreeride

Except the current offerings from zipfit all walk like shit and the cork moves around the achilles area when you use them for touring.

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This is the problem I am looking to solve, particularly the cork moving issue. Intuitions do not work for me. However I’ve heard that ZipFit is developing a touring model for next year with articulation (as per Instagram). Does anyone have more info? Hopefully the cork chambers are altered as well to keep it from flowing rearwards when walking. They’ll still be heavy though I assume.

FWIW I use Zipfits exclusively. for resort, sledskiing and touring. These days I don’t do long tours though.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

I dunno. I think the shell fits great. It’s definitely nicer then the hoji free I just sold. And walks better. Might weigh a little more then some of the true tech boots but I can tell you that the xt3 and xt tour ski way better then a lot of true tour boots.

I hear a lot about Achilles movement and all this other stuff. Maybe I’m doing it wrong but both my pairs of xt’s are set up so that I can walk with full motion with my top two buckles closed. Opening them does nothing for my motion. If my top buckles had to stay open I don’t know how I wouldn’t have blisters or hot spots on my heels, but I can tell you that my Achilles doesn’t move around. But like I said. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.

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It’s hard to believe it walks better than a Hoji Free...

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Originally Posted by madriverfreeride

Except the current offerings from zipfit all walk like shit and the cork moves around the achilles area when you use them for touring.

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This....
I'm a zipfit fan - have used them in my RX for several years - but anyone recommending them in a touring boot is doing a different kind of touring than I am.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

I dunno. I think the shell fits great. It’s definitely nicer then the hoji free I just sold. And walks better. Might weigh a little more then some of the true tech boots but I can tell you that the xt3 and xt tour ski way better then a lot of true tour boots.

I hear a lot about Achilles movement and all this other stuff. Maybe I’m doing it wrong but both my pairs of xt’s are set up so that I can walk with full motion with my top two buckles closed. Opening them does nothing for my motion. If my top buckles had to stay open I don’t know how I wouldn’t have blisters or hot spots on my heels, but I can tell you that my Achilles doesn’t move around. But like I said. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.

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So let me get this straight, you tour with your too buckles done up, in zip fit liners?

You’re definition of touring seems vastly different than mine. The achilles talk was about the cork moving around not your actual achillesmoving, but with zipfits and the top buckles done up your range of motion is probably like 20 degrees in walk mode so no wonder you don’t notice it moving.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

And undoing buckles on the top is stupid.

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Here let me show you the new Lange liners that are now being shipped back to Lange for the xt tour pro. They are shit and the heel collapses due to the foot sole being to short sewn on the boot liner base.

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Completely disagree on the buckles. I see people doing some weird and awkward shuffle with their buckles done up all the time. It’s just not how touring boots are designed to be used.

And without having actually seen it or tried it on I don’t understand your point on this liner - the top one with orange looks pretty similar to the actual profile of my heel - way more so than the bottom one with the squared off heel shape.

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Originally Posted by madriverfreeride

So let me get this straight, you tour with your too buckles done up, in zip fit liners?

You’re definition of touring seems vastly different than mine. The achilles talk was about the cork moving around not your actual achillesmoving, but with zipfits and the top buckles done up your range of motion is probably like 20 degrees in walk mode so no wonder you don’t notice it moving.

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Great story. Thanks for the uneducated assessment. I never made a proclamation that I used zip fits for touring. Just to buy an aftermarket like an adult. I have an intuition tour wrap in them now. And yes. With the top buckles closed in the losest setting they stay closed and there is no difference in the range of motion as opening them. I assume you have you foot in the boot as well so you are speaking from complete experience?

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Originally Posted by thejongiest

It’s hard to believe it walks better than a Hoji Free...

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It doesn't

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Appreciate the info.

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I use it inside the shell, over the liner. This way it feels tight on my leg but i don't have to crank down the shell.

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Originally Posted by rod9301

I use it inside the shell, over the liner. This way it feels tight on my leg but i don't have to crank down the shell.

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I guess this is what I have never understood. How do you have that bulky strap behind the shell and not have a load of space between the liner and shell.

Seems like the method you describe would have play before the shell actually started to flex?

Edit: sorry I should also say thanks for your insight!

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

Great story. Thanks for the uneducated assessment. I never made a proclamation that I used zip fits for touring. Just to buy an aftermarket like an adult. I have an intuition tour wrap in them now. And yes. With the top buckles closed in the losest setting they stay closed and there is no difference in the range of motion as opening them. I assume you have you foot in the boot as well so you are speaking from complete experience?

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Ahh so your boots aren’t really buckled. Like semi buckled. Makes more sense.

I know some boots where it’s not that different.

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Originally Posted by rod9301

I use it inside the shell, over the liner. This way it feels tight on my leg but i don't have to crank down the shell.

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Which model booster? The wc is pretty thick. Next level down might work better. In any event I’m gonna give this a shot. 👍

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Originally Posted by MD12

Which model booster? The wc is pretty thick. Next level down might work better. In any event I’m gonna give this a shot. [emoji106]

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Wc

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Unless they changed it the booster strap is layers of neoprene sewn togetehr at their ends into the strap,

so if its too strong for you its very easy to just cut one layer and then you got the next model down

I forget which model I have but its got 3 layers

unless you are pretty slight i would just go for the WC

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Unless they changed it the booster strap is layers of neoprene sewn togetehr at their ends into the strap,

so if its too strong for you its very easy to just cut one layer and then you got the next model down

I forget which model I have but its got 3 layers

unless you are pretty slight i would just go for the WC

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2 layers - Intermediate
3 Layers - Expert
3 + Nylon - World Cup

I'm betting most use Expert as the WC is essentially a NRS strap..

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Originally Posted by dub_xion

Ok, so back again to the topic. Any ideas what changes are coming for next year’s Hoji (ski, not boot)? https://www.instagram.com/p/CLnnCSll...=1vmcxz147l7q0


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Saw some Prototype 4frnts on the skin track this weekend. Definitely wider than the ravens that were on my feet so had to be a hoji or a renegade. They had the 4-lock skin system like on this years raven.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

Feels just like my 100 last xt3. The volume is the same. It feels like a Lange usually feels like. It has a lot more motion then the xt3. I don’t know why. And I don’t understand it. They are both supposed to be the same 53 degree rom. But im not going to complain. They are nice to slide in and out of that’s for sure.

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How would you classify the Instep Height? I'm definitely on the high instep side of things with a med-wide forefoot that usually gets a 6th toe punch.... is the boot board removable if I had to grind it down a little for a bit more room? TIA