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All of that lumped into one pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
Keep in mind Columbine happened during the AWB and Australia got rid of all semi-autos and most long guns.
Getting rid of "assault rifles" isn't going to do it. Which has been my stance all along.
It's just easy to point at those as the problem.
I was just kidding. I don't kill animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I've got a couple of SEALs coming to do a training course with some of our clients. It's best to learn from people who have walked the walk.
Here’s a question, between you and me, which one of us has carried a weapon in combat? Don’t think too hard, it’ll come to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
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Here's a question. Why does that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
That's fantastic that you are a combat veteran. Thank you for your service and I hope you have a good weekend.
Learn what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
How to properly handle firearms. Shoot. Shit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
You know. Firearms training. The type of thing people rant about in this thread.
The problem isn't a training problem.. The problem is guns are so easy to kill with any idiot can shred a school, mall, Walmart, etc in a matter of minutes.. As long as they're willing to die doing it, with guns, especially sick guns readily available, we're all fucked...
And ya there are other ways to kill a lot of people.. but few as easy as this... and banning access to other things harms our overall productivity and net social value more than banning AR15s does..
Yeah... there are other ways to kill a lot of people but you gotta figure out how to build bombs or disperse poison..Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Even killing just one person. The other methods are messy and personal. It takes some real rage to beat someone to death and they get to at least try to fight back..
The Columbine shooters bombs didn't explode, so they had to use their handguns. Assault weapons were banned at that time.
Because its hard to build a bomb that works how you want. Easy to indiscriminately kill a bunch of people with guns. Any guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
I know. I was agreeing with you.
Uuuuuhhhh a 995 (amongst the Columbine shooters’ kit) is hardly a “handgun”
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Trucks, cars, knives, pressure cookers, etc all deliver a LOT of net social utility that we lose banning them.. AR15, not so much, hardly anything but fun at the range and death..Quote:
Originally Posted by mb6f50
The counterpoint to this is the popularity amongst anti-gun advocates of the expired assault weapons ban. In no small part due to technical deficiencies, it created a new class of ban-evading guns that were, in most ways, not a lot less dangerous in the hands of someone who wants to shoot a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
Treating all semiautomatic rifles the same makes far more sense to me, but it becomes a tougher sell because you're now lumping a Ruger 10/22 in the same category as an AR-15.
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Isn’t having a seal teach fire arms basics the equivalent of hiring Alan Ducasse to lead a class on how to make pancakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Maybe. Especially the ones I've got coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
The clients will get a kick out of it and it's on the manufacturer's dime. I get to smell some SEAL jock straps. Everyone wins.
It matters because all the gravy SEALs(you) with weapons of war are idiots. It’s just fantasy bullshit larping and cosplay. You dorks can do that with real toy guns. If you like the idea of carrying a weapon and fantasize about engaging the bad guys enlist or go fight in one of the ongoing wars. I can tell you that it’s not that glamorous. Sack up or get out of the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
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Ok G.I. Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I’m not the one posting pictures of blinged out ARs and bragging about my latest tax stamp acquisition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Most people lose their desire to play soldier around puberty, apparently you have a ways to go.
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I guess so. I also like fast cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
bobby’s winning so far….
I agree it’s dumb for those who develop gun safety policies to not be educated on the particulars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
I do not agree that I personally need to know the differences in order to believe stricter laws are necessary. Again that is just fucking stupid.
I’m an expert in a few things I guarantee you are not. I’m sure you’re an expert in things I’m not. It’s ridiculous to say “you need to be on my level before you can, as a member of the public, demand safer rules” around what I’m an expert in.
I don’t need to educate myself on what led to the specific design decisions around the 737 Max in order to believe that this shit shoulda been handled better.
It’s a lazy excuse for dismissing calls for better gun safety laws. Do better.
LOL not even closeQuote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
The OP ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
I will try to link the article quoting ' 'Senator' Johnson' as having determined that school slaughters are due to CriticalRaceTheory and the "woke-ness" of the liberal left -
https://madison.com/news/local/govt-...ea88b6ff7.html
I sure don't find any cause to hope this situation is going to improve in this thread ;
there's a post - it might even be in the first ten pages -
' Nothing will change. This is the cost of living in a gun culture. '
( screw) the gun culture -
... makes me want to clean-up and volunteer as a hall monitor at the elementary school ;
one of these cowards can shoot me first
( maybe the local swat team will sit outside waiting... )
Done with this thread
( Thank you for entertaining Bobby- ).
how does a community of 16,000 have a school district "police force" that sets up Incident Command inside a school that has been invaded, and orders law enforcement to stay out of the school ?
I can't wait to hear the final version of this story -
Thanks to the BorTac team that only waited forty-five minutes to engage the killer.
peace to Alvarde. tj
I just see an immature slap fight. It's not even entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
To no one's shock, the answers given at the NRA convention (especially during the periods firearms are banned) are "more guns".
Why people keep electing these fucking douchenozzles is beyond me.
Answers (not to be misconstrued as a defense or an endorsemnt) to some of the questions above:
- A small community of 16,000 has a SWAT team, armed school resource officers, Incident Command, etc., because the United States spends billions of dollars every year militarizing its police.
- The effort to ‘Harden’ campuses is now a $3 billion school security industry. It includes: Kevlar backpack inserts for children, bulletproof whiteboards, impact-resistant film for classroom windows, “ballistic attack resistant” door shields, armored saferooms, surveillance cameras and facial-recognition systems, software to monitor potential threats, gunshot and “aggression detector” microphones, even smoke cannons to disrupt an active shooter in progress.
- Local police and feds say they waited outside the door because two police were already shot by the shooter using the door as cover and because the shooter continued shoot at them from behind the classroom door. They believed the shooter barricaded himself inside intent on shooting more police. They now openly admit they fcked up.
- After the feds finally breached the door the shooter was hiding in a closet "and began firing when US Border Patrol agents entered the room more than an hour after the shooter began his rampage." The gunman is believed to have waited for the agents to enter the room, then kicked open the closet door and began shooting.
- Bobby is in fact winning so 'Get your crying done now' because Republicans are not passing shit. ← hat tip The Onion.
This shouldn’t be entertaining. Posters like Bobby are the epitome of our stupid gun culture, posting pictures of his blinged out “toys”. It’s disgusting, it’s not really the guns that are the problem it’s the fetish of people playing with these instruments of death like they’re toys. Bobby said he doesn’t hunt, why does he need military style weapons exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by schuss
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Just to clarify, Multi-,
I read Alvarde has a school district police force. if that's just the school resource officers - "meh" I did not encounter a school police force until I was at a University with 50,000 students...
'Incident Command' is just chain of command - it sure should Not have been set-up inside the invaded school ( while law enforcement was outside tazing parents ) ;
Thank you for your insight regarding the school defense industry. tj
The military doesn't use a 300blk SBR.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Gun manufacturers can’t be sued if their guns are used in a crime thanks to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Really limits the cost for them. They can flood the market with lethal weapons essentially without consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
The Sandy Hook families got Remington by suing for their marketing campaign. Sure seems like the same law could be used against Daniels but Texas probably has even more protections for gun manufacturers.
Fear sells, but all the play acting in the world doesn't mean shit when you have cornered a heavily armed shooter who wants to die. How many times had the Alvarde SWAT team deployed and dealt with a live active shooter?Quote:
A small community of 16,000 has a SWAT team, armed school resource officers, Incident Command, etc., because the United States spends billions of dollars every year militarizing its police.
- The effort to ‘Harden’ campuses is now a $3 billion school security industry. It includes: Kevlar backpack inserts for children, bulletproof whiteboards, impact-resistant film for classroom windows, “ballistic attack resistant” door shields, armored saferooms, surveillance cameras and facial-recognition systems, software to monitor potential threats, gunshot and “aggression detector” microphones, even smoke cannons to disrupt an active shooter in progress.
It is fantasy land and all these guys with their fucking AR platforms and rail systems and the tactical gear are little different that Civil War re-enactors.Quote:
it’s the fetish of people playing with these instruments of death like they’re toys. why do they need military style weapons exactly?
Not really. But if you want to label it that then go right ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Just say anyone that has an AR15 is racist. Might be easier for you.
I'm sure there's a range of motivations and use cases but I'd bet good money that the vast majority are a lot closer to Civil War re-enactors (i.e. people who like to dress up and pretend they're soldiers) than they are to SWAT team members.
I don't know the answer but I suspect mostly routine drug interdictions, nothing serious. For a small town it's probably more of a jobs program, a daycare for grown men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Considering what we have seen out of the most recent SWAT team, that's nothing to aspire to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
Bobby is a rich boy playing with toys. As a well schooled rich boy, he'll basically always get to. It's a distraction, especially given a significant portion is likely client relations as a seller of luxury goods in the gun mad south.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
His kids don't go to public school. He doesn't have to care.
That's why it's a distraction. Sure, he's a person, but his resources etc. Are the far minority.
It's about everyone else getting together and pushing for meaningful change. That won't happen if you let yourself get hung up in the weeds.
Thanks Schuss. I appreciate that.
Whatever man, just vote for the change when it comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Hillsboro dad goes viral for surrendering guns; here’s how to get rid of yours https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...-of-yours.html
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“Today I’m turning in my weapons to the Hillsboro Police Department in Oregon,” Beers said in his video. “Both my AR-15 and my 9-mill handgun. I no longer want them.”
“I know this will not change legislation or anything to do with gun culture in America, but hopefully it’ll be a form of symbolism and hopefully America can wake up because no other country has the problems that we do with gun culture and ideation and gun violence like we do.”
WhooshQuote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
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