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RT 10 and Crest are the same other than a few extra tooling setups for the RT10 to remove a bit more material and lighten them up.
RT also gets the variable hardness whatever yeah? The adjustable clamping for skin mode to deal with wearing toe sockets. Not sure it gets the nicer magnetic heel flippies like the HR10 or the raider series.
Thanks for the summaries. That's all great info.
Can the brakes be removed/installed from the Crest/RT10 after the heel piece is mounted?
Yes. Its very easy. By far the easiest brake install/removal on the market. That said the only functional reason to have the brakes on is to stop resort staff from yelling at you on the lifts, they are flimsy and won't do much to stop your skisQuote:
Originally Posted by Buke
I do think they're useful for clicking in at the top of line. Holds the ski a bit better in place on firmer conditions in the spring, but yeah....if you release going down they're not gonna stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Got my voyagers installed at the shop with the free ride spacer. It looks like there’s an extremely tiny bit of space between the spacer at my boot (when The boot is clicked in on my workbench).
I can’t find any manual information about how much clearance should exist between the boot sole and the spacer. I see the shop didn’t use any of the included shims on the spacer.
Any pointers?
It's supposed to just touch the boot when installed on the bench. https://www.atkbindings.com/wp-conte...al09_rev01.pdf
Anyone know where's the best place to buy front brakes for ATK Raider 2.0 12?
PM spyderjon
Has my inaugural ride on my new deathwish tour / voyager 12 combo today. Did a few laps of mellow skiing followed by an icy 40-45 degree couloir.
On a nothing hop turn through some ice , my downhill ski pre released and I saw a piece of black plastic fly off down the slope. I took a small tumble and managed to collect myself before getting to my ski.
The AFD has fully broken off the brake, and the brakes themselves got pretty mangled too.
No replacement AFDs or brakes here in Whistler.. so I’m sad. Was looking forward to a few days of touring while I’m off work on the new setup :(
I’ve reached out to moment and my local shop, so I’ll report back.
How big are you? I could see that happening, but it sounds like the heel piece lateral released too easily too. Sorry to hear :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
You broke the plastic off the brake. Not the Freeride spacer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
I responded to your email.
You can still ski these without the brakes.
Saw that, thanks. I’ll see if I can find a leash in town in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melee
5’9”, maybe 165-170 lbs without gear. Local shop just set me up at 8 for the release value.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
I ski my pivots around 8.5-9, but didn’t want to tamper with things too much until I had some experience. That said, I ski much harder in-bounds - I’ll probably stay with the shop’s suggestion for now.
The bindings themselves walk well and seem to drive the skis nicely. I’m impressed overall.
So my front brakes came today, but they didn't come with pin/screws/socket head studs. Anyone know where I can order them or what size they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by f=ma
Not sure if this is helpful: https://www.bindingfreedom.com/atk/Quote:
Originally Posted by f=ma
I've had good luck with tech support in Fiorano https://www.atkbindings.com/en/contact-us/
So I emailed ATK, they don't sell the screws to attach the front brakes to the Raider 12 2.0. But they did reply back that it's "...socket screws flat point are 4x10 mm (ISO metric threads)."
random request but does anyone have a photo of the underside of the fr14 heel? IE the plastic base. trying to figure something out without pulling the heels off my skis.
I'm still looking for pictures of the new Raider or any other 2022-23 models. I want to see what they are doing with brakes next year. Anybody have one?
Two seasons now on the FR14 mounted on BGTour116s. A few things to note after skiing them last year with the Tecnica Zero G Pro and this season with the Radical Pro.
- With all the talk of the toe shim and especially Moment making the toe thicker to begin with, of course I made a shim from cutting board. Seemed to work out ok when skiing with the Zero G but this season when moving to the Radical, I was skiing so back seat and just felt toe high when moving around, sidestepping up, etc. Removed the shim and definitely skiing better.
- The risers are fairly short in length so sit shallow on the boot heel. No problems on the Tecnica but on the Dynafit, add in the rearward movement of the heel piece on the spring and its worn the end of the sole off where the small size riser seats, to the point where the rubber ripped off and I had to fill in with epoxy (we'll see how long that lasts).
I've got the 22/23 ATK catalogue as a 12mb pdf on my laptop so if someone can tell me how to post a link to it then I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmaio
upload to google drive and share here?
Upload to either issuu or googleQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon
22/23 catalogue here: https://issuu.com/thepisteoffice/doc...eng_europe_low
So it looks like the Raider Evo has the new autobrake. But I'm confused how it works - you turn the heel piece and it holds the brake up, but the Raider series allows you to use lifters with the heelpiece in normal or 180 deg. Also adjustable toe release, that's awesome!
Thanks Spyderjon.
So the difference between Raider 11/13 Evo and the Freeraider 15 Evo is the release values, and the 15 comes with freeride spacer included?
Sign me up for the 13 in Black! Add a spacer and toe shim please.
Whoah, the new Raider EVO models in that catalogue have some improvements. Adjustable toe release (???), automatic brake - no more push button. You lock the brake by rotating the heel...like og radicals I guess? Thanks for posting.
Received a pair of C-Raiders in the mail today thanks to Spyderjon! Highly recommend his shop.
Bindings are sexy too...can't wait to get out on them.
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Three dozen models! Plus probably about a couple dozen rebranded models. This thread is sure to continue to be active into the 2022-23 season!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon
Well the C-Raider stated weight is consistent with the Raider 12 stated weight (i.e. about 20 grams low). Toe weighs 93g, heel (with brake) 230g, crampon clip is 7g for a grand total of 330g with brakes and crampon clip (stated total weight of 305g). No screws in these weights. Brakes are 46g, same as the R12.
Raider 12 stated weight is 335, but Blister measured it at 352g (it doesn't say explicitly, but this must be without screws). The Raider 12 toe is 124g according to Blister, so ATK did indeed shave some weight with the plastic infused carbon.
If you're trying to hit a weight loss goal I would recommend getting an italian scale =D
My only complaint on the Trofeo is that I really dislike the silver color on the current gen. Disappointed to see they have not changed those. I liked the all black + green much much better.
Tempted to get the World Cups. Jonathan, do you think they are as robust as the Trofeo or no?
Comparing my pairs side-to-side, the differences are relatively subtle. And for people who weigh about what you and I do, I don't think whatever the add'l robustness of the Trofeo might be would matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by CirqueScaler
I went with the (rebranded) Trofeo a couple years ago (on a non-race setup) b/c frequently replacing the Ti springs on race bindings gets old after awhile (whether on my Hagan/ATK race bindings or my older Dynafit LTR 1.0 and Plum 135 bindings). But now that the WC comes with the rolling-in springs that have the steel inserts, I would mount all my future setups with the Hagan/ATK race binding.
(The Trofeo does have the higher heel elevator position, but the one time that would have come in handy, I totally forgot I had that option, whoops!)
Re the new 22/23 Evo models. Production is going to be limited to about 15-20% of the Raider models and retailers can only order in that ratio so I'd recommend pre-ordering. ATK's new factory doesn't come on stream for another year or two and they're at capacity until then. And the Raider Evo has the same mounting pattern as the regular Raiders.
And here's the friendly PSA that the first three rules of tech bindings are as follows:
1. Don't buy a first year product
2. Always cycle your toe pins while transitioning to ski mode
3. Don't buy a second year product
I'm stoked to get some 24/25 model year FR15 Evo's, but I wouldn't ski those things if someone gave them to me before then.
ETA: Someone needs to shake these lying Dagos until they start posting accurate weights for their products. Their lying with regards to weight is enough to make me never buy another set of their bindings, regardless of how they perform. If I'm going to pay a premium to be lied to, I'm going to get an Eliot Spitzer grade escort to say she loves me while she blows me, not a pair of bindings.
^^^ on the new Evo...
spyderjon - The square toe mount pattern, or trapezoid? Either way, good that not a new-new mount pattern!
I actually like the brake button, and that you don't need to spin the heel when doing quick laps
My one pair (FR14s) weighed-in right at the spec weight. Maybe I got lucky?
SquareQuote:
Originally Posted by tang
Unrelated to current convo, but found myself needing to set gap distance on my Voyagers this weekend so I mocked up this tool over the weekend. Figure other mags might also want it, since its a little more ergonomic than a 4mm hex.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5256765
ExcellentQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon