Alec Baldwin WTF

most reasonable mags either have you on ignore or if they don’t they just pass by your “dear diary” walls of text where you make up shit and try to pass yourself off as an authority on everything like a 7 year old kid who is so needy and pathetically desperate to be right. You shoulda outgrown this need but you didn’t. Which is why you now admit you’re a troll. Sad.

Every once in awhile some mags will engage and, after pages and pages of back and forth where you double and triple down on your bullshit, then - occasionally - mags will have the patience and fortitude to bust down the giant wall of entitled narcissistic bullshit and it always always ends with you saying “ok I was wrong. But whatabout….”

Lol.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Its not just probably, the guys running the wick movies took proactive steps to make sure this won't happen because they have engrained habits for gun safety.

I'm not inserting any agendas, hollywierd is super wierd and has a contradictor hate boner for guns, and a weird culture about handling them, echoed by you dumb cunts saying 'no you don't have to follow safe handling rules if you're an actor' for some dumb reason.

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By calling it hollyweird you're signaling where you're coming from and you jump to massive conclusions on any number of things.
Just shut up

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I'm not inserting any agendas, hollywierd is super wierd and has a contradictor hate boner for guns, and a weird culture about handling them, echoed by you dumb cunts saying 'no you don't have to follow safe handling rules if you're an actor' for some dumb reason.

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think about what they are doing in a movie they are pointing weapons at and shooting someone which is never in any way safe handling of the weapon they are in fact portraying the unsafe handling of weapons thats why weapon should be checked and certifyed cold by the armorer, i wouldn't trust an actor to do that cuz that is not their job and they don't have the weapons background

Executive producer (Baldwin et al) chose to save a lot of money with location and crew. Normally there is a high degree of specialization on a set. There are many jobs on a set that if done ineptly could have tragic results. Grips work with heavy shit and gaffers work with lots of current.

Producers were cavalier in hiring someone incapable of doing one of her two jobs. IIRC she was the daughter of someone in the biz, that’s typical in LA. I once worked on a production with many 2nd generation producers. Sometimes they go from assistant prop master (a crew position) to associate producer ( above the line in Hollywood speak) The death was a result of the producers’ desire to save money.


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Her dad is a super well known / respected armorer in the industry. Knowing that, it’s surprising to me that she fucked up so badly having been around that scene most of her life. It wasn’t like she was some rando exec’s kid working in an unknown area. Can’t imagine how her dad felt as I’m sure he vouched for her ability

there could be many ways to fuck up the job but its hard to top someone getting killed with the gun she declared cold, I would take the point of view that she got the job due to nepotism not cuz she knew what she was doing

The AD handed the gun over after announcing "cold gun." The armorer wasn't present at the time.

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Originally Posted by charlesj

Executive producer (Baldwin et al) chose to save a lot of money with location and crew. Normally there is a high degree of specialization on a set. There are many jobs on a set that if done ineptly could have tragic results. Grips work with heavy shit and gaffers work with lots of current.

Producers were cavalier in hiring someone incapable of doing one of her two jobs. IIRC she was the daughter of someone in the biz, that’s typical in LA. I once worked on a production with many 2nd generation producers. Sometimes they go from assistant prop master (a crew position) to associate producer ( above the line in Hollywood speak) The death was a result of the producers’ desire to save money.


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“Let’s save money and hire one of those cheaper armorers - you know the kind that will often bring real bullets onto the set.”

You’re painting this as a lack of skill or experience issue. Like all up and coming armorers have a habit of bringing live rounds onto set and only the more experienced (and more expensive) armorers have learned not to do that.

Well, it isn't about "experience", per se, but it is about sloppiness and half-assedness, which I would presume a movie set is likely to have more of if it's poorly funded and poorly managed. And I presume that paying more for a more experienced armorer improves the chances that they aren't a total flake.

But then we should see a corresponding glut of shot dead actors and crew from Hollywood B movies and independent films due to their low budgets.

Yeah. Well I guess it's a fine line; probably most low-budget flicks aren't bothering with you-can-see-the-bullets-in-the-chamber authenticity, even if they do cut some corners and have some inattentive types on their crew. I just rewatched the awesomely low-budget classic Tapeheads the other night; the guns in that movie were probably water pistols.

more dead actors from gunplay than i would have thought, according to teh googles. not really enough to be considered a "glut" though...


fact.

If this happened to Clint Eastwood would we see so many people passionately calling it his fault for not trusting the armorer when she passed him a cold gun?

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If this happened to Clint Eastwood would we see so many people passionately calling it his fault for not trusting the armorer when she passed him a cold gun?

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But it didn't. And it wouldn't It isn't just coincidence. People who have safe personal gun handling practices, will hire and trust an armorer, but will also take personal responsibility when the gun is in their hand.

I don't get what is so rocket surgery about this.

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Originally Posted by m2711c

more dead actors from gunplay than i would have thought, according to teh googles. not really enough to be considered a "glut" though...


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I count 3 gun related since 1990. What number are you looking at?

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If this happened to Clint Eastwood would we see so many people passionately calling it his fault for not trusting the armorer when she passed him a cold gun?

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no.

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Originally Posted by bobz

Well, it isn't about "experience", per se, but it is about sloppiness and half-assedness, which I would presume a movie set is likely to have more of if it's poorly funded and poorly managed. And I presume that paying more for a more experienced armorer improves the chances that they aren't a total flake.

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This seems pretty close.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

But it didn't. And it wouldn't It isn't just coincidence. People who have safe personal gun handling practices, will hire and trust an armorer, but will also take personal responsibility when the gun is in their hand.

I don't get what is so rocket surgery about this.

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you probably don't get it cuz you are generaly considered to be one of if not thee dumbest dumb-ass on TGR

if I was the armorer on set, after I seen you wanking about trying to do my job checking that weapon after I did, iI will be checking that weapon again which means you will wana check it again and I would probably just quit

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you probably don't get it cuz you are generaly considered to be one of if not thee dumbest dumb-ass on TGR

if I was the armorer on set, after I seen you wanking about trying to do my job checking that weapon after I did, iI will be checking that weapon again which means you will wana check it again and I would probably just quit

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Lol, why?

You're saying if you were the armorer, and an actor cleared a gun you handed them, following the basic rules of safe firearms handling, your pride or ego or something would be so hurt you'd have to quit?

Yea, you sure schooled me with all those smarts you got going on.

Clearing a gun when it's handed to you is a basic rule of safe firearms handling. No one who isn't a complete crazy person is ever going to have any problem with that. All you've proved is you're nuts.

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no.

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https://www.slashfilm.com/1282080/jo...-with-weapons/

Ol clint isn't making movies any more, but here's the guy that makes john wick flicks, saying there is no reason to have a functional firearm on a movie set.

There absolutely is a correlation for people with disdain for firearms, and a lack of respect for the handling of those firearms. As evidence by anti gun people in this thread arguing that the rules of handling a firearm don't need to be followed, because, well, reasons.

I've been trying to stay out of this thread, But as someone who's actually worked in the business, the last thing you want is an actor finger fucking a hand prop when you give it to them, guns included.

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Lol, why?

You're saying if you were the armorer, and an actor cleared a gun you handed them, following the basic rules of safe firearms handling, your pride or ego or something would be so hurt you'd have to quit?

Yea, you sure schooled me with all those smarts you got going on.

Clearing a gun when it's handed to you is a basic rule of safe firearms handling. No one who isn't a complete crazy person is ever going to have any problem with that. All you've proved is you're nuts.

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Any of us who read your posts ask ourselves why you are such a dumb ass, which is why i wouldn't be anywhere near you with a gun

But pertaining to the job of the armorer on a movie set he is suposed to handle the guns so if he hands it to the actor it will go bang on cue when the actor pulls the trigger and it will not kill anybody

if the actor takes the gun the armorer hands him and fucks with the gun there is no telling if it is gona fire when its suposed to, the scene could be a one-off take so they might be blowing up a set worth $$$$$ so its gotta be perfect including the bang so there is 1 chance only to do it perfect

so if i was a respected armorer in the business and an actor wasnt playing by the rules and it makes me look bad I would just say get your self a new armorer

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Any of us who read your posts ask ourselves why you are such a dumb ass, which is why i wouldn't be anywhere near you with a gun

But pertaining to the job of the armorer on a movie set he is suposed to handle the guns so if he hands it to the actor it will go bang on cue when the actor pulls the trigger and it will not kill anybody

if the actor takes the gun the armorer hands him and fucks with the gun there is no telling if it is gona fire when its suposed to, the scene could be a one-off take so they might be blowing up a set worth $$$$$ so its gotta be perfect including the bang so there is 1 chance only to do it perfect

so if i was a respected armorer in the business and an actor wasnt playing by the rules and it makes me look bad I would just say get your self a new armorer

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Clearing a gun that is supposed to be empty isn't fucking with it. Its basic firearms handling rules.

You did a much better job of explaining it in this post. You prior one was near gibberish. However, in this one, you explain that this only applies to a gun that is supposed to go bang, not a gun that isn't supposed to go bang.

Besides, guns that go bang don't need to be a thing any more on sets. Read the link about the wick movies. "No reason to have a functional firearm on set." You want to ban guns everywhere BUT movie sets?

Yea, I get its sooooo dumb and reckless of me to suggest following the rules for safely handling a firearm. Good gosh.

Bless your heart…


fact.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Clearing a gun that is supposed to be empty isn't fucking with it. Its basic firearms handling rules.

You did a much better job of explaining it in this post. You prior one was near gibberish. However, in this one, you explain that this only applies to a gun that is supposed to go bang, not a gun that isn't supposed to go bang.

Besides, guns that go bang don't need to be a thing any more on sets. Read the link about the wick movies. "No reason to have a functional firearm on set." You want to ban guns everywhere BUT movie sets?

Yea, I get its sooooo dumb and reckless of me to suggest following the rules for safely handling a firearm. Good gosh.

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if that ^^ isnt gibberish i don't know what is, it would be nice to ban dumb asses but thats not about to happen

so all the actor needs to do it take it from the armorer pull the trigger when the script sez hand it back to the armorer period

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

if that ^^ isnt gibberish i don't know what is,

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I guess you aren't following american politics

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

if that ^^ isnt gibberish i don't know what is, it would be nice to ban dumb asses but thats not about to happen

so all the actor needs to do it take it from the armorer pull the trigger when the script sez hand it back to the armorer period

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Lol yea you're too fragile to interact with anyone who disagrees with but you don't have the self control to strop yourself so you want someone else to do it foryou.

Your last sentence is gibberish. I can't even figure out what it means.

Clearing a firearm that is supposed to be empty isn't 'fucking with it"

Maybe Baldwin thought it was loaded with Ich Luge bullets


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Originally Posted by XXX-er

you probably don't get it cuz you are generaly considered to be one of if not thee dumbest dumb-ass on TGR

if I was the armorer on set, after I seen you wanking about trying to do my job checking that weapon after I did, iI will be checking that weapon again which means you will wana check it again and I would probably just quit

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Maybe if it were that much of a pain in the ass to use a gun on set we'd have more movies without guns. Gun culture in the North America is not just a bunch of crazies with AR15s. I've gone 74 years on this planet without seeing a gun pointed at a human being IRL and yet I doubt a day goes by when I don't see one on a screen. I didn't let my kids play with toy guns, until I quickly realized that a stick can make an excellent toy gun. Gun culture is as much a part of life for people who don't own guns as for people who do. Guns are very powerful symbols (and I'm not talking about dicks).

I was 5 feet away from a guy with a gun pointing it at a girl in a robbery and it defintley was a gut wrench

I’ve had multiple police guns pointed at me at one time. It’s definitely something that gets your attention. Moral of the story, walking home from a pub through the park as 6’ tall male can match the description of someone who just committed armed robbery of a 7/11.

I will try not to get a gun pointed at me again. Especially by a bubba with less training than the local police. That includes Alec Baldwin.

I'm in a robbery incredibly stoned BUT i couldn't leave, I had no dope left, all i could do is nothing so just act nonchalant and order a cheesburger.

I stand in middle of the drive-in lot with hands up, cop cars everywhere, a cop car pulls up with all wheels dragging cuz he's amped buddy law jumps out and grabs me the perp " I'm innocent man !"

girl leans out the window and sez " he's just getting a cheese burger "

the cop managed to not laugh but he was smiling

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I've been trying to stay out of this thread, But as someone who's actually worked in the business, the last thing you want is an actor finger fucking a hand prop when you give it to them, guns included.

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Love the Bandini reference. I wish we could bury LJ under that pile

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I'm in a robbery incredibly stoned BUT i couldn't leave, I had no dope left, all i could do is nothing so just act nonchalant and order a cheesburger.

I stand in middle of the drive-in lot with hands up, cop cars everywhere, a cop car pulls up with all wheels dragging cuz he's amped buddy law jumps out and grabs me the perp " I'm innocent man !"

girl leans out the window and sez " he's just getting a cheese burger "

the cop managed to not laugh but he was smiling

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I'd like to think we'd all have the presence of mind to simply order a cheeseburger.