There’s a pair of 180’s in the Outlet for a good price. Drilled for P15’s in my BSL even… but I don’t need more skis.
https://heritagelabskis.com/products/hl-outlet-skis
Posting here so someone else buys it before I break down.
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There’s a pair of 180’s in the Outlet for a good price. Drilled for P15’s in my BSL even… but I don’t need more skis.
https://heritagelabskis.com/products/hl-outlet-skis
Posting here so someone else buys it before I break down.
Just do it - sell your other skis
They are mint. I think they only have 2 days on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skt07
Yeah, what he saidQuote:
Originally Posted by waxloaf
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Grabbed them
Share the same bsl
Gotta give them a try
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Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by skt07
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Good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
My R110s are becoming my favorite ski.
:D
It’s a really fun ski.
I had to change my style. But after that it worked so well.
I had a dream I had my R110s shipped to my sister’s place and she brought them to the shop for mounting before my arrival. When I got there the bindings were pointing to the left by about 15 degrees.
I was irate and the shop wouldn’t make it right. Said I was wrong.
I woke up like— hey, wait a minute. Yeah, I’m glad that was just a dream but that’s not the R110 dream I want to be having.
Anyway, just proof that I can’t stop thinking about this ski.
Figure this is as good a time as any for my full 186cm FR110 review. 325 BSL, mounted at rec (87.25 from tail)
About me: 31, 6' 175lbs. Skiing since I was 4. Used to ski hard, fast, looking to air anything and everything... recovering from a major injury so took it extremely easy this season and only started skiing in late Feb and ramped up to 75% near the end. Home mountain is Silverton these days, spent a few years living the LCC dream, backcountry ski 50%+ of my days, but love ripping chairlifts. I am not the most technically solid skier, and have had my skiing style described as "slashy" by a few different people.
Favorite skis: 186cm Rossignol Sickle, 184cm ON3P Aysm BG, 189cm Steeple 102s (RIP), 192 M-Free 108s, 186cm HALS Renegade
Least favorite skis: 182cm Black Crow Camox Freebird (just so meh), 188cm BC Corvus (flat camber version, though this might have been the Shift's that kept pre-releasing before I set them correctly).
Also, this is mostly going to be a comparison to the Sickle... since I know a few others here have bought or are considering the FR110 out of a love for that ski. I was introduced to the magic of the Sickle a few years ago and ever since finding a minty pair on ebay have 130+ hard days on them. There is something amazing about a ski that can do anything and everything as long as the snow is "soft." Slash, pivot, slarve, feel stable in runouts and crush chunder when necessary. Damp, but poppy... no matter the conditions you can count on the Sickle being up to the task. These skis changed the way I looked at the mountain, looking for little airs, finding fun lines through steep trees, doubling moguls... the mountain is a playground with a ski like this. My biggest complaints about the Sickle were the lower top end speed, how short the "186" felt (183cm actual length), mediocre performance in untracked and dogshit construction (outside of the magic core/rubber).
The FR110 has been on my radar since the very beginning of HL skis. Marshal teased them as a Sickle heir apparent and I put my pre-order in during the first go. My hope for this ski was similar to the Sickle with a little more top end, little more slashness, slightly better pow performance and waaaay better construction. The FR110 has provided all of that and more. From my first few turns it felt like I had owned this ski my whole life.
Groomers: Groomed terrain isn't really the point of this ski, but considering my recovery I spent more time on them here than elsewhere. I was pleasantly surprised by how eager they were to carve turns of all sizes on soft piste. Even with a sharp edge the Sickle was mostly meh on that kind of terrain, happier to run bases flat and slide than carve... the FR encouraged me to lay it on edge more than I would have expected. As long as I keep the edges sharp I expect these to be a lot of fun for those moments between the real skiing.
Pow: So easy! I only had two pow runs at Silverton averaging 6-12" depending on how the wind had blown and was really psyched on their performance. The combination of a bit of taper and the long rocker makes for a wonderful pow experience. I didn't push it hard down the fall line on these two runs, but could see how this ski would welcome it when I am physically ready. These aren't the fall line chargers that some of the other HL skis are, and that is okay. They want to find the pillows to pop and deeper pockets to slash, if you stay balanced and on the balls of you feet the skis disappear under you. I won't probably grab these for days with +12" of fresh often, but think it will be okay when I do.
Packed Pow: This is what this ski is made for. Seek and destroy the soft stuff. Slash, slarve, pivot... anything is possible and it's all about finding the most playful way down. Grinding down soft bumps, airing off stumps, finding the trickiest way through a tight choke, turns of every size and shape... all of it came easy. The FR construction is magic when the snow is cut up slightly and the densities between scrapped off and denser piles of snow vary. I did not have the strength this season to really push this ski on this kind of day, but I could feel it begging me to. In comparison to the Sickle, this ski is going to make these kind of conditions waaay more fun imo.
Hardpack: Eh. Unsurprisingly this ski is not the best on true firm conditions. The short effective edge when running base flat combined with the lack of suspension was much more noticeable with this ski than with the Sickle. Maybe I am not as strong as I was pre-injury but skiing with speed through coral reef was jarring to say the least. On firm groomers they held up well with the excellent tune, but bases flat was tougher than when I brought the Sickles out on closing day and tried them in similar conditions. I think considering how good these are in the conditions they are intended for... I will live with the drawbacks.
Corn/Slush: In proper corn they are nothing short of amazing. I was lucky enough to get about 5k of excellent corn on Silverton closing day and wouldn't have preferred any other ski. All the same reasons that make them good at packed pow make them excellent in spring. In slush the combination of flex and rocker is magic. They are so composed at speed but can shut it down at the flick of you ankles.
Steeps: I didn't really get to challenge myself in steep terrain coming back from my injury... but as long as you keep these things on edge they feel very composed, super easy to jump turn too. I'll probably update this post once I get some more time on them next year in steeper, varied terrain.
Conclusion... these things rip and will likely see 60%+ of my chairlift duties moving forward! I see them as a slightly more soft snow orientated Sickle, with more top end chops. If you like a progressively mounted ski, want to slash, pop and play all the way down the mountain look no further. If you want to be a little bit more locked in, the R version is going to be rad too. Bravo to Marshal and the HL team for coming up with a ski that I feel was created personally for me lol. I'd post pics but I am still too stupid to get tapatalk or whatever.
^couldnt have said it better myself. 100% echo this
Out of curiosity, what’re your main low tide and pow skis? Working on creating a 3 ski quiver with this as the middle ski. I think pow ski will be Jeff 118 but can’t get the low tide ski figured out. Tried dw104 this year and didn’t love it
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Ya that’s a good FR110 review.
Once I got my FR 110’s base tuned (thx Marshal!) they were so good that they were pretty much all I skied at the end of the season when we had some fresh.
So stoked that I ordered R120’s for next fall.
For a three ski inbounds quiver, ya the FR 110 is a good middle ski, I can see me having this for inbounds:
HL R120
HL FR110
Line Optic 104
Which means I can see selling my Line Optic 114 and BC Anima as I’ll likely pass them over for the FR 110 or R120 most days I’m sure.
KC
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FWIW, out of pure speculation, I'll be selling most my skis, including my M102, only keeping my Renegades and R110. Probably gonna get an RC85 for a firm snow ski.
I might do a partial quiver dump after skiing mostly HL skis this season (mostly 186 R110).
This would work for me:
R87
R110
R120ST
But I won't get down to just three skis.
Great write up Smiley
you are much better at articulating your thoughts on these skis than I. I think you’re spot on, they(fr110)to me are an improved original Devastator(never skied the sickle much but did spend a season on the scimitar). They float much better(devs were bottom feeders) but still retain the crud smooshing abilities due to the weight and mass. As long as it’s soft out(read: not bullit proof) they are a great all mountain/do everything ski. I’ve not skied the R110 but for me the FR profile is perfect for how I ski. Great skis
Heard mention of adjustment in technique to ski the matched radius camber aspect of the FR110’s, or 110’s in general.
Would any of you consider describing that adjustment in this thread?
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I've only got experience with the FR110, which is more or less matched sidecut to reverse camber.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
My key takeaway from these skis is that neutral is a great place to be. Which is more or less how we designed them to begin with. I think staying forward, pressuring the tips, is a very good recipe for over torquing the sidecut, and the ski overall is better matched to a dalbello lupo, compared to a genuine faux race boot. All in the forward lean, you see.
Once you get over that crap, and start driving from your ankles, you'll have a very good time. They can be ON if you want them to, but they're better as DD soft snow comrades. If you want ON all the time, get FL105s or 113s. In that order.
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Is that something that you think is sidecut to rocker profile matched specific?Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
I ask because I was skiing my fully rockered bmt 122 today (mounted around -8 or -9) and I'm not sure if they are similarly matched but they kind of want to be driven in the shovel even at +1cm from recommended.
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I was driving the 19Xcm FR110s when I was skiing them. I A/Bed them with 191 Katana 108s thanks to Bry, and kept the same stance. I put 5 hard runs on FR110s all through blacks or doubles at speed, but take my words with a grain of salt cuz 5 runs. I felt a decent amount of tail on the FR110s while driving them, but that didn't stop me from having an absolute blast. I think I preferred them to Katana 108s, but both are great skis.
The tails on the FR110 felt more noticeable more often than 3D radius on Katana 108s, but I'd prefer FR110s for predictability. I wannnnt
Yeah, or at least in this case, a tighter sidecut radius (<24mR) with a matched reverse camber. Now, of course you can drive them, but feathering shin input is more rewarding, imo, and again, throwing too much weight forward is a pretty surefire way of engaging the front part of the sidecut (and the corresponding reverse camber) into an oversteer situation. Super responsive skis, and requires a bit more finesse to ski really fast than say the FL105.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
Now, there are a few confounding variables here:
Mount point
Forward lean
Skier weight
Mine are mounted at -7.5/-8 - can't quite recall.
They're more accepting of a classic forward driving stance when I'm in Lupos(more upright), compared to skiing in Raptors (more racelike). I weigh 92kg, so just north of 200lbs.
Helpful or not?
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One super fun thing I found was steep chute skiing in smooth snow. This was on the Headwaters at Big Sky. I got to thinking about how they are already bent into the shape a normal ski would be when it was fully engaged in a carve. I just stood straight up and tipped them a bit side to side while arcing nice carves down the chute with no effort. Didn’t need to worry about them hooking up with the reverse camber. It was really cool, especially after watching people make exhausting looking jump turns to slides down the same line.
I adjusted my boots to have as little forward lean as possible which I thought helped.
As has been said a lot of times these are a ridiculous amount of fun in soft trees. Lightning fast turns, double a few moguls, shut it down instantly. Def found myself skiing more of this style terrain than I had in the past just because it was so awesome.
They were the ultimate ski when I hit an 8 inch day at Alta(1.5 inches of water). So awesome in the tight spine lines in eagles nest and under supreme chair. I did switch to a different pair of skis for the last hour for making huge turns down Alf’s. That isn’t so much their sweet spot.
I spent too much time skiing them in hard snow and chopped up hard crud. They are ass in these conditions-don’t bother. The lack of camber just transfers all the bumps straight to you body. Painful. I apparently forgot the soft snow part of soft snow gymkhana. Ha.
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I think what you're saying makes sense, but I'm still wondering if it's a matched sidecut to rocker profile thing.Quote:
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It could also be the realively less tip and tal taper in the FR where the bmt 122 has quite a bit of taper, and could also be the less pintail in the FR vs the BMT.
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The reverse camber of the BMT122 is pretty low rise/gradual, right? If so, that would make a lot of sense the way you describe them wanting to be driven, even though you're pretty far forward on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
And yes, the tapers of those are about double, both tip and tail, compared to the 110, but I think it's more of a pintail thing, as you suggest- the BMTs are, at least on paper (sorry, haven't skied them, unfortunately) some of the most directional and pinned skis out there, at least talking in terms of the tip/tail width relationship, which usually, ime, isn't very conducive to very upright stance skiing. Depends a bit on where the sidecut center/rec mount is, though.
Cheers,
A
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Haven’t skied the 110s yet, but have plenty of time on “matched” camber skis. I think it’s more to do with degree of full reverse and/or tips and tails not engaging until you’re in 3d snow or fully angulated than any particular magic in matching radii and camber… but anyways.
My technique adjustment was mostly adopting more of an always stacked attitude and using far less hip/waist articulation, especially at the beginning and end of a turn. Once the turn/edge is locked in I can separate upper body and lower body, but otherwise I had better experiences staying a little more compact with my skis more under my upper body. Skis with more radius than camber can be engaged and loaded up with hips down only, but that’s something I couldn’t do confidently or dynamically with Rens et al. It was a different and super fun thing that those called for.
Also, steering inputs varied quite a bit. Stronger steering but less of it, if that makes sense. They go where you point and if you don’t point they’re more apt to go wherever.
I really like the idea of the three ski quiver. That is how I am trying to build mine out at least. Three ski BC quiver, three ski inbounds... with one or two weirdos in reserve. In reality, my quiver looks more like n+1 without a lot of sense lol.Quote:
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I don't have a low tide DD right now but am pondering what ski to put in that place. I really liked the MFree 108 (was my DD two seasons ago) and was thinking MFree 99 to replicate that decent edge hold when you need it, loose when you need it, but chargy-lite feeling the 108 does so well, but am not convinced the 99 is the right choice. What HL ski fits that bill ~90 underfoot? All the RC skis are probably too much for me personally and I don't love -10 mount points.
My pow ski is the 184cm Aysm BG. I love this ski for the kind of pow skiing we do mid winter in Silverton. Lots of tight trees and weird chokes, but occasionally big wide open alpine charging. This ski handles all of that really well. I haven't been on it in over a year so we will see how I like it next year once I can A&B it vs the FR100. I picked up one of the BC Swallowtail 120s this year, but never had a chance to mount it unfortunately. That ski looked dialed. If I like it as much as I think I will for the backcountry, I have a feeling the BGs will be on their way out for a FR120 instead.