Um, I don't know about Portland, but currently, 8am is just half light in this part of Montana, and driving without lights on isn't legal in those conditons, because PEOPLE CAN'T SEE YOU!!!! :nonono2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Um, I don't know about Portland, but currently, 8am is just half light in this part of Montana, and driving without lights on isn't legal in those conditons, because PEOPLE CAN'T SEE YOU!!!! :nonono2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Heh. Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongLegsInAlaska
If Western Europe includes Belgium, Germany, France, Spain or Portugal ... : No.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemas
DTL have been tested where I live and I think they're actualy a bad idea.
They're a good thing on long stretch of roads with a low traffic and if all the vehicles got their lights on. Otherwise, non lighted cars get even less noticable.
In every other circumstances it's basicaly useless and very dangerous for motorcycles, which became invisible in car's mirrors.
Well, the very limited driving I've done in those countries would suggest that even though DRL ain't the law, vast majority are still using 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR
The real reason the daytime running lights are not mandatory is the government wants a certain percentage of us dead. Plain and simple.As we cure various diseases and up the average life span we must understand that there isn't enough natural resources to support the new load. So they "governments" come up with these lame excuses why perfectly good safety devices are denied or stalled.So if we look at this more closely we will see that as the average life span goes up = the medical costs per person will go up since the bulk is paid by the goverment "medicare/medicaid" they need to keep the total counts in check .I am sure if some one wanted to dig deeper it all out there to be found.
Oh baby,im out there
The Pubes
I have to agree. Rootskier may have outdone himself this time. I think he has been trying to come up with redonculous stuff lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
This is true. When your car is running everything really runs off the alternator. The battery is there to start the car and help when your car is at low RPMs but the alternator is powering your headlights for the most part when you are driving. Of course the lights will power off the battery for a given amount of time but they are really not designed to run that way -- much like a high power car audio system is not designed to run off the battery. You need to install a high power alternator for high power audio.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
I completley understand your point, but even now with a kid in the car, I cannot think of one time where I have had a close call and thought to myself "Gee, I really wish that person had their lights on for the safety of me and all those around us." For me it is so low on the list of dangers when driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
I can, on the other hand, count maybe 5 times just on the way to work today where I have thought "Holy crap, I almost got in a wreck because someone was simply just not paying attention, didn't yield, was weaving and speeding in stop and go traffic, was talking on the phone drinking their coffee, was driving a jacked up pickup being an ass, or just generally being irresponsible and not knowing the rules of the road."
Maybe it is just the demographic of vehicles we have driving around out here. People driving around in their audi's during the middle of the day with headlamps and front and rear fogs blazing away.
Don't forget that I display a level of passive-agressiveness to rival any other city in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
JONG driver... I cut my teeth driving in Detroit and Chicago amongst other places so you can go fuck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
And go ahead and keep advocating a technical safety feature while flaunting speeding. It makes your argument look real compelling.
Nothing I can do about others' idiocy, but I can mandate DRLs in all new vehicles. No harm, no foul.
There is absolutely no compelling argument AGAINST DRLs.
OMG I agree with Jer, ya know what we really need is a war on accidents, it has gone so well with terrorism and drugs. What I don't want is another fucking law telling me what to do all the god damn time. We make comprimises on car saftey all the fucking time because some efforts would be a pain in the ass, like limiting your cars speed maximum. What is worse is how many people clamor for the government to legislate something everytime they have a fucking problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Yes, there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
It's dangerous to motorcycles, which need to be more visible since they are much smaller and fragile than the 2.5 tons trucks you call cars. DRL had been abandoned in France on this basis alone.
Oh, and Rootkskier : 80mph ?! OMG, May I touch you ?
Huh - I don't find many on the road. Just the completely clueless "I turned on my blinker I don't need to look before I change lanes" type drivers. Or the "the lights green, there's 50 cars behind me, but I'm going to stop so one car can make a left turn" "nice" drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
Try driving in Manhatten in New York. The driving in Manhatten is crazy -- it's pretty much survival of the fittest -- you have to drive crazy to deal with the cab drivers. Chicago is a cake-walk compared to New York. There might as well not be any lanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy
I could care less about making DRL manditory or not, but I disagree with this assesment based on a study in the 80's by Greyhound, they found that full time light use extended the life of the headlight substainsually. The reason being is the current flowing through the filliment made it more difficult to blow the bulb on rougher streaches of road.
Give it some time. It's a mix of the overly nice and cautious and the passive asshole. My favorite hits include:Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
"I see you coming down the street as I'm waiting to make a right hand turn into your lane, and by golly I'm going to turn right in front of you. I have no respect for your right of way."
Or
"I also see you in the merge lane as I'm in the stop and go right lane. No, I don't think I'll let you merge. You're not trying to sneak in the lane and merge late or anything, but I'm going to suck the bumper in front of me anyway and I'm sure the guy behind me will let you in."
And
"It is my right to cruise at 65 in the LH freeway lane! The speed limit is 60, and 70mph is too fast! The RH lane may be nearly empty, but the 2 cars in there going 60 will definitely impede my travels!"
I knew this would warrant a comment either about NYC or Boston. Pretty soon someone from Bangalore, India may chime in and certainly lay claim that Manhatten driving is weak sauce too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crass3000
Fuck NYC, Boston, and Bangledesh.
Come roll in Mexico City.
Chicken wire windshields, half a car, and automatic weapons bitches.
Heh. I've noticed those but figured it was the California plates that provoked it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
I'm a big fan of 4 cars, in 4 seperate lanes of the freeway, driving within 20ft of each other (i.e. impossible to safely pass) all driving within 1mph of each other.... and there's hardly anyone else on the road.
likwid wins
I didn't know there was something to win here. What's up for grabs??? A date with Rootskier?Quote:
Originally Posted by DJMingus
Whatever, I learned to drive in a big city too. What's your fucking point? Totally different than two lane mountain roads at dawn and dusk.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
You just keep being an internet tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
Yes, and on the date you guys will go to driving lessons and his appointment with an optometristQuote:
Originally Posted by Crass3000
Everything you know says I am a thickheaded douchenozzle? What the f? Shame I have to sleep and work while people who don't even know me take jabs at me like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty50
Umm, a battery. When the car is not running, the battery takes over. Seems simple to me. Are you fucking retarded? Is this why you can't understand the science behind global warming? You think energy just arrives at the headlights magically?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Whatever dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-smear
Your confusing voltage with amperage. A good working alternator does put out 14.5 volts of current of close to that depending on the exact alternator. However the voltage regulator controls how many amps the alternator is putting out. If your car is drawing 20 amps total (all accessories, engine and battery), your alternator is putting out 20 amps. Say you then turn on the lights, the voltage will drop and in order to keep the voltage at 14.5 volts the voltage regulator will change the flow of current in the alternators windings so that the alternator is again at 14.5 volts, but that will mean its putting out more like 30 amps if we are talking low beams, maybe a little less for DRL's. Because there is more current going through the windings of the alternator, the alternator will be harder to turn, producing more drag, slightly lowering fuel economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJMingus
No its not. The energy has to come from somewhere, and that is from the alternator which is spun by the cars engine which gets its energy from gasoline.Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-smear
Uninformed? Nope. I'm absolutely right about the additional fuel that DRL's use. Remember the original poster asked for one good reason why DRL's are not mandated in this country. I gave two reasons. One, the science is very marginal as to whether they are actually safer and in some cases (you forget to turn on your headlights at night because you have DRL's) they can cause accidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperChief
Despite all of this, I still use the DRL's in my Suby as stated in an earlier post. I just question whether it is worth it, and have considered disconnecting them many times to save fuel. I think that the new low powered DRL's are probably a good solution. If there was a government mandate, I'd want it to go that route, mandate low energy DRL's to mitigate the environmental and security impact that using over a days worth of fuel per year on high energy DRL's would have.
The alternator is always charging the battery per the voltage regulator. It doesn't engage and disengage, moron. Read that again, it is ALWAYS spinning when the engine is on, no clutch, nothing. Of course a fucking idiot like yourself can't understand this, you're a perfect tool for the global warming alarmists.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
Try thinking for yourself using logic instead of parroting a bunch of garbage the next idiot feeds you.
PS-the plane WILL take off. Moron.
edit-I really like the part where you add that using DRLs causes global warming. That was a great little gem there, I just couldn't fit it into my sig. :fm:
In what possible way would DRLs negatively impact motorcycles? I ride one every single day - my headlight is constantly on - why not have lights on the cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR
I guess what he's saying is that if all cars have lights on then motorcycles won't stand out as much, so it'll be a more dangerous environment overall for motorcyclists. I don't think the cause and effect is really there - a light is a light - but who knows.
What if it is also a beer bottle opener?Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
can a beer bottle opener burn twice as bright?Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
It would only open light beer I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
OK, I'm on board with the others. You have absolutely no idea how an Alternator works. More current does not mean more drag. The copper coils still pass the magnets at the same speed at the same friction (btw - only friction is the ball bearings and the magnetic resistance, which is constant, since all the wires pass all the magnets all the time.) The only difference is how much of that current is drawn off by the voltage regulator.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
Alternators have Amperage ratings - that stays constant. You cannot cause an alternator to crank out more amps by increasing the draw. Your alternator will simply not do that. Thus heavy duty alternators exist that crank out more amps than the standard ones.
You are working for the portugese mole people.... aren't you.
a portmanteau?
Now THAT's reaching a bit - innit? What if it's a German beer?Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
what if it's a Viking bier?
We don't have light beer. We drink stout beer from the empty skulls of reindeers and feast upon flavored meats.
Thanks.
I believe it's spelled "flavoured." Fucking Savage.
I KNEW IT!!! The alternator will take off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
I'll have a half-calf gingerbread reindeer no foam
Would you like that in grand or venti sized? We do have baby reindeer skulls as well.
incidentally. I just intentionally pronounced aluminum al u mini um.