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no matter what goes on here - good or bad - it is still a great way to piss away hours of time when i should be working! keep on posting all. please.
some great beta and great pix stoke me to no end. the drama fills the boring hours between the stoke!
high sierra folks are a bit different eh....:fmicon:Quote:
Originally Posted by fullers2oh
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sftc
that was akpm-tasticQuote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
Is that what they call it these days? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
ALL the kids are doing it.
No right, well gentlemen, I'll just remind you of the faculty rules: Rule one - no pooftahs. Rule two, no member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abbos in any way whatsoever - if there's anybody watching. Rule three - no pooftahs. Rule four - I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out. Rule five - no pooftahs. Rule six - there is no rule six! Rule seven - no pooftahs. That concludes the reading of the rules, Bruce.
Fell off the front page for a while, so I decided to prove LB wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
I'm thinking maybe Rontele has violated a rool by graduating from law school.
thanx! for the refresher...
Politics of Plato and Aristotle
To compare the political theories of two great philosophers of
politics is to first examine each theory in depth. Plato is regarded
by many experts as the first writer of political philosophy, and
Aristotle is recognized as the first political scientist. These two
men were great thinkers. They each had ideas of how to improve
existing societies during their individual lifetimes. It is necessary
to look at several areas of each theory to seek the difference in
each.
The main focus of Plato is a perfect society. He creates a
blueprint for a utopian society, in his book The Republic, out of his
disdain for the tension of political life (Hacker, 24). This blueprint
was a sketch of a society in which the problems he thought were
present in his society would be eased (Hacker 24). Plato sought to
cure the afflictions of both human society and human personality
(Hacker 24). Essentially what Plato wants to achieve is a perfect
society.
Aristotle, unlike Plato, is not concerned with perfecting
society. He just wants to improve on the existing one. Rather than
produce a blueprint for the perfect society, Aristotle suggested, in
his work, The Politics, that the society itself should reach for the
best possible system that could be attained (Hacker 71). Aristotle
relied on the deductive approach, while Aristotle is an example of an
inductive approach (Hacker 71). Utopia is a solution in abstract, a
solution that has no concrete problem (Hacker 76). There is no solid
evidence that all societies are in need of such drastic reformation as
Plato suggests (Hacker 76). Aristotle discovers that the best possible
has already been obtained (Hacker 76). All that can be done is to try
to improve on the existing one.
Plato's utopia consists of three distinct, non-hereditary
class systems (Hacker 32). The Guardians consist of non ruling
Guardians and ruling Guardians. The non-rulers are a higher level of
civil servants and the ruling is the society's policy makers (Hacker
32). Auxilaries are soldiers and minor civil servants (Hacker 32).
Finally the Workers, are composed of farmers and artisans, most
commonly unskilled laborers (Hacker 32). The Guardians are to be wise
and good rulers. It is important that the rulers who emerge must be a
class of craftsmen who are public-spirited in temperament and skilled
in the arts of government areas (Hacker 33). The guardians are to be
placed in a position in which they are absolute rulers. They are
supposed to be the select few who know what is best for society
(Hacker 33).
Aristotle disagrees with the idea of one class holding
discontinuing political power (Hacker 85). The failure to allow
circulation between classes excludes those men who may be ambitious,
and wise, but are not in the right class of society to hold any type
of political power (Hacker 85). Aristotle looks upon this ruling class
system as an ill-conceived political structure (Hacker 86). He quotes
"It is a further objection that he deprives his Guardians even of
happiness, maintaining that happiness of the whole state which should
be the object of legislation," ultimately he is saying that Guardians
sacrifice their happiness for power and control. Guardians who lead
such a strict life will also think it necessary to impose the same
strict lifestyle on the society it governs (Hacker 86).
Aristotle puts a high value on moderation (Hacker 81). Many
people favor moderation because it is part-liberal and
part-conservative. There is so much of Plato's utopia that is
undefined and it is carried to extremes that no human being could
ever fulfill its requirements (Hacker 81). Aristotle believes that
Plato is underestimating the qualitative change in human character and
personality that would have to take place in order to achieve his
utopia (Hacker 81). Plato chose to tell the reader of his Republic how
men would act and what their attitudes would be in a perfect society
(Hacker 81). Aristotle tries to use real men in the real world in an
experimental fashion to foresee how and in which ways they can be
improved (Hacker 81).
Both Plato and Aristotle agree that justice exists in an
objective sense: that is, it dictates a belief that the good life
should be provided for all individuals no matter how high or low their
social status (Hacker 91). "In democracies, for example, justice is
considered to mean equality, in oligarchies, again inequality in the
distribution of office is considered to be just, " says Aristotle
(Hacker 91). Plato sees the justice and law as what sets the
guidelines for societal behavior.
Aristotle puts emphasis on the institution of the polis
(Hacker 77). This institution is not the state or society merely the
larger unit of the two (hacker 77). Neither Plato nor Aristotle found
it to be necessary to distinguish between the state nor society and
therefore it is difficult to define polis (Hacker 77). The polis was
set up to allow political participation on the part of the average
citizen (Hacker 80). This contradicts Plato's theory of one ruling
class controlling the political power and all decisions that effect
the entire society. The theory of Democracy that Aristotle derived
states that democracy is a "perversion" form of government of "polity"
(Hacker 92). Aristotle said, "The people at large should be sovereign
rather than the few best" (Hacker 92). Plato would never allow the
full public participation in government as Aristotle would like.
According to Plato public judgments of approval and disapproval are
based on belief and not on knowledge (Hacker 59).
Plato thinks that is a revolution were to take place it would
be a palace revolution (Hacker 64). A palace revolution occurs when
there is a power transfer from one power holder to someone else.
Aristotle sees the cause of revolutions originating with either the
rich or the poor (Hacker 102). He feels that the means of preventing
revolutions is to anticipate them (Hacker 107). Plato thinks that in a
utopia a disgruntled group of Guardians will emerge and break from the
rules (Hacker 63). He thinks that in an oligarchy two things may
happen to spark a revolution: the first being the ruler and their
offspring grow to be weak rulers and too sympathetic, the second is
that the number of poor grows larger and suffer exploitation at the
hands of those in power over them (Hacker 64). Aristotle states that
to know the causes which destroy constitutions is also to know the
causes which ensure their preservation (Hacker 107-108).
Plato and Aristotle alike were two men who had ideas on ways
to improve existing society. Plato, a political philosopher, was in
the pursuit of philosophical truth (Hacker 114). Aristotle was
concerned with the citizen and the design of political institutions
(Hacker 114). They both had well thought out ideas and plans on how to
build a better society. Both Aristotle and Plato have had a tremendous
impact on political scientists of today. Aristotle helped to developed
some democratic ideas. In conclusion these men were great thinkers.
Their opinions on society and its functions were quite different, but
they both had the same intention, to build a better way of life for
the societies they lived in and for the societies that would come to
be in the future.
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Works Cited
Hacker, Andrew. Political Theory: Philosophy, Ideology, Science. New
York: Macmillan, 1961.
http://www.cyberessays.com/Politics/107.htm
So who's the chick with Punani?
Looks like Lucy Thai...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
" Rules and regulations who needs em. Some day people must be free. I hope the day comes soon"- CSNY.
That songs been stuck in my head since the Suit posted this thread.
So It would probably be a pain in the ass, but I think it would be cool to roll "survivoir" style. Once a week or month somebody gets voted out. The tribe has spoken, unplug your keyboard type thing. I'm kind of clueless as to IP addresses and if it's even possible.
I really want to insert a pithy comment here.
I also want a 5 string bass.
and bubblegum.
that's cuz yer a bus driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
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Originally Posted by Odin
i believe you sound a little bitchy and moany and whiney.
http://www.ozfm.com/rockstars/Billy%20Idol.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by spook
I love you moany mo-mo-moany
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany sure I do
I love you moany mo-mo-moany
Its global warming. GLOBAL WARMING.Quote:
Originally Posted by jibij
Seriously though, I am fundamentaly opposed to moderation on this site. In the past, there has been a few times when it has seemed that the vast majority of posters pretty much agreed that someone needed to be banned, and I have been all in favor of that. The free for all aspect of this site is something that I really value, however even in the time that I have been here, I have noticed a lot more bullshit, and a lot less "community". Maybe its time for a little moderation and banning, although I hate to say it. I'm sure the suit is good people and won't ban people unless at least a signifigant portion of the respected posters on here think it should be done. I don't know if just banning the dan khuckers of the world will really solve the problem though. I think there is a lot of content on here that just mildly waters down the site, epicish content, that sort of shit, not stuff thats worth banning.
At least thats the way I see it. Although I haven't been here all that long compared to some of you guys, and I'm sure some people would put me in some of the categories I said above.
His wife now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
WOMAN:Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
DENNIS:
You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN:
Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.
DENNIS:
That's what it's all about. If only people would hear of--
ARTHUR:
Please! Please, good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
WOMAN:
No one lives there.
ARTHUR:
Then who is your lord?
WOMAN:
We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR:
What?
DENNIS:
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,...
ARTHUR:
Yes.
DENNIS:
...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...
ARTHUR:
Yes, I see.
DENNIS:
...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,...
ARTHUR:
Be quiet!
DENNIS:
...but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major--
ARTHUR:
Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN:
Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh.
ARTHUR:
I am your king!
WOMAN:
Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR:
You don't vote for kings.
Quick Photochop Job
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...Supuaretha.jpg
"How do you know he's a king?"
"He ain't got shit all over him."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...Supuaretha.jpg
The new TGR Sarg at Arms. ;) :)
yeah, it's like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
seriously ... i agree.
American Idol stinks this season.
Not so sure about that ...Quote:
Originally Posted by hutash
Just curious.
Who are all of these veteran maggots who don't post anymore? Name a few
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Blurred,
If there is one thing that I have learned it is that when you ask a question like this you are looking for a "discussion" of some kind.
I don't consider it a bad thing that people I like over the years have left, I consider it normal.
So if even one or two or three "veteran maggots" aren't around or possibly just one, two or three of people that I liked aren't around it's ok. Just like sometimes it would be neat to have those blast from the pasts around.
But I'm not going to get into a fight with you about who deserves the tags of "veteran maggot" or who is missing because it is all subjective to who you think is worth noticing that they are gone. I am pretty sure that you like people I dislike and dislike people I like. Therefore just leave it as a general comment as part of the whole picture instead of becoming specific.
HRDCORESNOWRIDE ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
FUCK I go on a 2.5 week drinking binge and we get RULES??????
I'm outa here...... or maybe not..... is this site still up? awe fuck it, im going back to the bottle.
I felt I should post in this important thread, where the fuck is phUnk?
I also felt I needed to post in this important thread. And I have a question...
is this against the rules now?
Yes. What?Quote:
Originally Posted by birdman829
Is posting pictures of hemorrhoids allowed?
I wouldn't say I "Hate" the northeast.Quote:
Originally Posted by the Mad
I just prefer to ski on mountains as opposed to hills. I also prefer powder over ice. But that is just what I like, Oh mighty wise sage of a maggot w/ a daunting 3 months seniority over me.;)
What would this site be like without STFUYFM!? He is essential as far as I am concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by skimoore
Do Alii get out of hand? Yes. But ban them all? No way. It would turn into a crazy witch hunt to flush out insurgents. Bannings would become common place. Everything we know and love about any semblance of self-rule this place has ever had would be crushed by such an egregious act of exception.
the secret service hates profanity...
we're all in BIG trouble....here comes cheney with his shotgun..
duck, duck
down the way where the knights are gay......h.belafonte
Whitefish MT vert: 2,353ftQuote:
Originally Posted by AsheanMT
Sugarbush VT vert: 2,600ft
And we get as much snow
just because I'm a curmudgeon
Mom and Dad are out for the night apparently.
We know you'll be the first to tattle. Snitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
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Originally Posted by The Suit