the point being that the redsox dont hold a candle to the pinstripes.
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the point being that the redsox dont hold a candle to the pinstripes.
I don't think Steinbrenner is concerned with tix sales or revenues. the Yanks are always on tv and every game is full or sold out - there are 30 million fans within driving distance of yankee staduim. plus he's already got his new stadium. I was just there and it is going up quick - turning some of the only parkland in that area into a parking lot.
Steiny wants to win the WS every year, and that's why he brought clemens in. having said that, clemens is a tool and baseball should have a retirement cap just for him.
having said that, steiny has reverted back to his ways of the 80s, just buy off the best players from the year previous. when he started developing talent in house, the yankees went on a five year tear. then he wanted to keep it up, and he can't this way.
but we'll still be in the playoffs, bitches.
some pinstripes are so awesome they get cheered for in Boston!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...efieldfool.jpg
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Well, considering the grand jury names shouldn't have come out in the first place, there's a pretty small chance we'll hear much for a while. I'm sure it will get out at some point though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
i like the contrast with the NFL, where a steroids user (Merriman) still gets All-Pro and is celebrated like he never did anything.
Are you SERIOUS? As a baseball fan, I'd expect you to take a hard line of absolute NO USE throughout baseball. There are treatments and conditioning that get a pitcher through a season, most pitchers do it all the time. "Responsible steroid use" sounds like an oxymoron. Clemens is (among other things obviously) known for having the most regimented, intense work out sessions. The man has worked very hard to keep himself conditioned at an age where injury and fatique set in much faster. He has also changed his game up a bit and has become much more precise and more of a Maddux-esque precision pitcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas
As a fan of the game, I do have a problem with him only playing for the post season and not becoming a true member of his team. But heh, if people are paying and you are winning...I guess you can do what you want. Schilling said the same thing today...who wouldn't jump on that? He'll be a stopper for the Yanks, and that might be all they need to pick up the momentum...those young guns are going to raise their game just being near the man.
Well...in the playoffs...he didnt do anything. Total fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
I'm pissed about the whole affair! We had an agreement in principal to have Clemons pitch for our co-ed softball team.
If you're accusing Clemens of steroid use, might as well go the distance and accuse everyone in the 70s and 80s for coke and most of the old-timers for popping greenies. Drugs have been involved with baseball for as long as baseball has been a sport. Stating that certain kinds of drugs are acceptable versus others is just silly.
As a baseball fan, I want to see pennant races decided by who plays better baseball, not whose starting pitching stays healthiest. Steroids have a real medical application, which is why they were developed in the first place; I have no problem with someone using them to correct a medical condition. Like I said, however, it's a really hard line to draw- all steroid use is rehabilitative, but at what point does rehabilitation become cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by ECbum
My basic position is this: it's okay to do what you can to stay healthy and make it through the rigors of 162 games, 35 starts, whatever. It's not okay to use drugs to somehow make yourself a different player- to go from a judy-hitting centerfielder into a 50+ home run slugger (see Anderson, Brady). I fully admit that it's a precarious position, and I haven't thought through all its potential implications. And I don't know that it presents any kind of workable solution to steroid use, because it's so subjective. I mean, where do you put a certain player's baseline level of performance, above which level you say "that's cheating"? Or maybe you say, well, going from a 25-start guy to a 35-start guy, isn't that making yourself a different player?
It's just a starting point for discussion, really, but it intuitively makes sense to me. The fun is in breaking it down and making sure it really does make sense.
Sorry, missed this before: Youkilis. Also, Varitek was drafted by the Mariners in 1994, but never played a game for them. He did spend time in the Sox' system.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
steroids=bad
162 games=too many
Crap, I thought Youkilis was drafted by the A's... then I remembered that Beene just had a hard-on for him.
My point is there though- that despite all the $$$ the Yankees spend on FA's, they do a better job than most of raising their own talent.
They can also afford to pay high signing bonuses and to keep the guys they draft once they can become a free agent. Every star in MLB came up with some organization; the Yankees can keep everyone they develop (and rarely have to rush a guy to the big leagues before he's ready).Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
I never thought I'd say this, but there are far too many baseball threads going right now.
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Clarence is still available. I'm not sure his arm is as good as Roger's, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by InspectorGadget
I understand raising a point for the sake of raising it, but I'm sorry: what you are asking is impossible. All major league players are the top in their profession. Any one player can string together some great years, some great players string together horrible years. I agree that steroids were developed for medical treatment, but trying to come to some sort of level of acceptance of use would be horrible for baseball and send a very mixed message to younger players/future stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas
I say if you're found using them, you're out. Bonds should crawl in a hole in die (only because of his mouth... and I assume many other talented and record breaking players were juiced at some point or using greenies).
If the rigors of pitching are too much on an arm, then why have we seen more use of steriods at relatively the same time as the development of the bullpen and shorter outings? Because baseball did nothing about it...time for that to really change.
I don't recall asking for anything; I'm just saying that, in my moral judgment, some steroid use is okay. But that being said, I don't think steroid use and "fairness" are mutually exclusive- if team physicians were allowed to administer steroids, and their application of steroids was in turn closely monitored by WADA, well, I think that could work. There would have to be way more off-season testing, and the penalties for going outside the MLB-approved system would have to be really, really tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ECbum
Agreed with the free agent aspect, but I don't think the other argument holds true. There's slotting (to a point) in the draft with the big money rounds, and you don't see the Yankees going over that slot money often. I think the bigger example you see these days is in the first 10 picks, sadly a lot of them are dependent on the player's agent and how much money they expect. I've read about quite a few teams who won't touch Boras clients in the draft- so you'll see a kid fall from say, #3 overall to #10 just because of that. The Yankees and Sox have picked so far down in the draft for the last several years that this doesn't really apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas
Jeter was one of those guys- he got a bigger signing bonus than three of the five guys picked ahead of him, and the same as the #1 pick overall (Phil Nevin).Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
Reputation and options have a lot to do with that too... watch a guy like Andrew Brackman this year. He doesn't have good numbers for NC State this spring, but he's 6'10" and has the UPSIDE to throw really hard- so some team is going to take him in the middle of the first round and pay him top-10 money.
+++++++vibes+++++++ for roid rages
Saw Brackman pitch at BC earlier this year. Throws gas. Its only his third year playing baseball too- scouts talk about his raw ability and how high his ceiling might be. Still, maybe he has hit his ceiling and he is meant to play basketball- who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
The case about Yankees keeping their talent goes right in with being able to afford the free agents. Sure, they develop a guy like Jeter, but who else can afford him? The Yanks have the money to pay whatever they want for anyone and dont have to worry about being outbid for the most part. And the point about giving higher bonuses is right on- I think Buster Olney's book talks about this (if its not his book its another one) why even down to the draft level, the money the Yankees can throw around is ridiculous.
That said, the Red Sox are by no means cheapskates or anything, but the 140 or whatever the Red Sox have on payroll (the DiceK posting fee is totally separate and is recovered in other ways) doesnt compare to the 195M+ Clemens the Yankees shell out. Its like comparing the Red Sox and Brewers or Reds in terms of payroll. There is still much left to decide this year and 6 games is not a lot to make up for NY. They need to play better- Im not basing my happiness on the Sox on the 6 game lead, but more on the fact that one team looks good and plays well and the other is playing awful (pitching and defensively).
why shouldn't the $51m posting fee for "DICE-K"(or whatever the number was) count?
not a contract, not luxury taxable, doesnt go back to the "pool" for the low income teams. mlb doesnt count it neither will i.
kei igawa's posting fee doesnt count either.
fair enough. I was just wondering.
this posting fee thing seems like a bunch of crap.
no kidding it kinda sucks. but at the same time, these players were under contract in japan. why would the japanese team just let them go without getting anything in return? its not like they are sending us DiceK and we are sending them 3 prospects.
Kei Igawa doesn't count, period.
and we don't send cuba $50m for guys we sign from there. maybe its time it became a true World Series. Oh wait, we'd get our asses kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Landers
That's because they have to illegally defect from Cuba to play in the bigs.
no way!!!:biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
No, we wouldn't. Something like 77% of the players in the bigs are from the U.S.. If we had free access to players from Cuba and if Japanese teams didn't lock their rookies up with 10-year contracts, that percentage would sink.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
It's impossible to tell how much it would sink, but I bet at least 65% of the players would still be from the U.S.
MLB teams don't care where players are from, they want to win. Despite all the great Dominican talent, for example, there are more players from Cali, FLA and Texasss (and possibly other states, not sure about that) in the bigs than there are from the Dominican.
Just because most American players don't care about international competition doesn't mean we don't have homegrown talent still.
I have to admit, this is pretty damn funny- from today's Sports Guy blog.
Am I the only one that finds this Clemens/Pettitte thing more than a little odd? I can imagine that when Roger told his wife that he was going back to the Yankees she had the same look on her face that Michelle Williams did when Heath Ledger told her he was going 'fishing' with Jake Gyllenhaal."
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Originally Posted by iceman
World Baseball Classic, and yes the stars of the league did play and the US got its ass kicked.
A lot of the Americans didnt play. I mean, Mike Timlin was on the team. A US team with all the best players playing, and not skipping, would probably lead to a US victory, though there are some great teams out there like cuba and the DR and venezuela (on top of Japan).Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
By the way im watching a red sox game from last year right now on nesn, and vernon wells is absolutely nasty.
EDIT- For SSD: http://randomthoughts.ianbethune.com/?p=1037
That is the fucking funniest thing ever. I hope it's prominently featured in the commemorative 2007 World Series DVD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Landers
Brokeback Manny. Classic.
yep, was it 50 mil to play in the minors?Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
You're an idiot, shut the fuck up. Seriously. You know nothing, shut the fuck up you fucking squid.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
Remdawg and Orsillo laughing so hard they couldn't call the game is classic.
manny is odd.
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Man Manram looks like he is in prison and is letting everybody know Julian is his bitch:fm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Landers
thanks for the intelligent conversation. you've proven that you know more than I do by simply calling me names. good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
-aaron
Asshole.
eight characters exactly.