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I just wanted to point out that it takes me an extra 45 seconds to scroll down the page whenever your avatar is present...Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
Magic should prob be in the VT section:
http://www.magicmtn.com/static_page.php?id=38
Stowe VT is state land on the Mansfield side, so they can't kick you out. I have never been hassled, but ussually hit it before lifts run. The Long trail is a good option if the lifts are running.
Sugarbush, it is not allowed unless there is wind hold, then it is.
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Originally Posted by bedtime4bonzos
This seems to imply that if a ski resort is on forest service land that they can't prevent you from being on the land. I believe this is very false.
Why? It is actually true. You can't snowmobile while lifts are turning, but as I understand it, after the season ends its free game.Quote:
SuperDuperGaperWithaCherryOnTop This seems to imply that if a ski resort is on forest service land that they can't prevent you from being on the land. I believe this is very false
The lifts and any buildings are private property and you cannot use them with out a ticket, or outside of operating hours, but the land belongs to us. If you want to use it, you can. In most cases this is enshrined in the ski area's lease.
Research this issue with regards to Mount Bachelor. There is language in the lease that lets them control the land that they lease. That is why if they tell you to leave, and you dont, they will call the sheriff and YOU WILL BE ARRESTED FOR TRESSPASSING.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgnar
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Originally Posted by SuperDuperGaperWithaCherryOnTop
first off you cant get arrested for a infraction. ticketed yes but not arrested.
Also the sheriff has been quoted a number of times saying that he is not about to drive up to the mountain and enforce some policy that bachelor made up.
there is this thing called the area access condition and it states "the lands and waters covered by this permit shall remain open to the public for all lawful purposes"
have you ever heard of any ticket to arrest? NO! this is because if they try to prosecute this little rule that conflicts with one of the underlying laws of public land leases it would get broken and it would then be illegal for them to say a word to hikers.
the policy is the ski resorts rule not the forest service.
---Utah---
ALTA:
"feel free to ski" -ski area rep
So, I emailed Connie in Public Relations at Alta regarding this, and she emailed the patrol director and his reply was:
"Up hill traffic is never allowed during the operating season.
We often do avalanche control work without the benefit of interlodge and
before first light in the morning or after sweep at night.
In the non operating hours snowcats and snowmobiles are operating all
over the mountain and are not looking out for or expecting skiers on the
runs.
This policy has not changed in recent memory. Although enforcement is
not our highest priority during non operating hours."
So there you go. In the words of the patrol director, it's never allowed, but enforcement is not a high priority during non operating hours. Also, I believe that I've seen on other threads stuff about how Alta can be strict about their no uphill policy at times.
I've been introducing my daughter to AT skiing this winter, and I wanted her to begin skinning in an avy controlled environment. We skinned up at Marmot Basin, Jasper this season, without any hassle from patrol, etc. We stayed to the side of the runs, keeping visible to traffic, and stayed on gentle green runs/slow-zones as much as possible.
Canadian National Parks, right of public access.
Lake Louise has a bunch of signs telling Skoki bound traffic they are not allowed onto the ski runs. Bullshit. When we saw those signs, we skinned up the Larch runs just for fun.
well, well, well, now that alta and many other ski areas are closed it is a good time to ski there. we are getting dumped on in utah and i plan to ski down alta from the bird tomorrow or next day.
Anyone know about the Canyons? Why would you want to skin at the Canyons you say? Because I will be working in Jeremy Ranch for a bit and need somewhere to dawn patrol by myself more for exercise than good skiing. I lack much knowledge of the backcountry terrain near here so exploring alone in the dark outside a resort is probably not a good idea. Although suggestions on easy access, mellow terrain in the area is also welcome. Also I realize they are not open at the moment, so steeper stuff up there is to be treated as uncontrolled right now.
Skinned up Keystone with the whole Dynafit crew a couple weeks ago but was asked politely to call it quits once they started the lifts.
Big Sky-not sure if there's been a response to this resort or not, but it's an emphattic, "No!"
Big Sky is on private land and their policy dictates no uphill travel on their property of any kind. Not only will they ask you to leave, but I've heard of people being banned for life!
Moonlight Basin is on private property and does not allow uphill travel. Not as strict as Big Sky, but I wouldn't test them either. Patrol at both Big Sky and Moonlight take there respected mountains very seriously.