NSR: Bertuzzi should be tossed out of the game

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Originally posted by seldon
And I think the primary criteria should be intention to injure. If I'm just pushing from behind on a loose ball to intimidate a kid, fine, but if I'm slamming him into the ground and trying to break his knees, then it crosses over into an area where I personally should be liable for that.

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Seldon - you are seriously trying to tell me that you can watch an act, and determine intent from that act? Result does not always indicate intent. It I am driving my car and swerve to miss an animal, and loose control and crash into your car, was my intent to hit your car? No. It was a result of an action that I took.

Duph - fanstasic point on the state of the game. The media has really taken notice of violent incidents in hockey, and they have helped create the preception that it is a barbaric game.

When was the last time anyone talked about Latrell Spreewell choking P.J. Carlissimo? Every sport has had a player - or players - that have lost it in the heat of the moment.

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Originally posted by Canuk
...in response to your sportswriter buddy - no surprize that he doesn't like Bert, no sportswriter does because he isn't a media bitch.

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No, there are lots of players who are not "media bitches" but are still highly thought of by the writers who cover the NHL (and hockey fans who read the papers).

Apparently Bertuzzi really is a jerk and a bully.

(Let me guess, you have him in a hockey pool. ;) )

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Originally posted by Eldo
No, there are lots of players who are not "media bitches" but are still highly thought of by the writers who cover the NHL (and hockey fans who read the papers).

Apparently Bertuzzi really is a jerk and a bully.

(Let me guess, you have him in a hockey pool. ;) )

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Nope - not in the hockey pool. Not even a particularly big fan of the Canuck's. Just a hockey fan.

Bert is a big, strong, physical player. He thrives on emotion, and this time emotion got the best of him.

Well I'm not one of those who think he should be banned for life. I do think it's right that he's being punished harshly. Of course he didn't intend to nearly kill the guy, but the fact remains he almost did. What he did was thoughtless, reckless and dangerous.

Maybe the stiff punishment will help keep him and others in check when emotions start boiling over in the future. I hope so. And hopefully Moore's current state will serve as a reminder to players that their opponents are human, and human life is fragile.

There will be more cheap shots in the future; hopefully they'll be a bit more 'calculated' as to what the possible concquences will be. Remember Travis Roy? Checked from behind head first into the boards, paralyzed for life. Yeah, shit happens, but it can be minimized with a little more care.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...im&id=1757143#

I don't know if this guy is Canadian or not, but this is one of the reasons why I refuse to listen to American hockey announcers.

When me and my brother have played down in the States, there's way too much stickwork, because there is no fear of retaliation. Maybe we're all just greasy thugs.

You're right fridge, that guy basically said that canadians are what's wrong with hockey. Totally absurd.

Ironic about your experience against US teams. The teams we played in Quebec were dirtier with their sticks than any other teams we played. It's probably more specific to region than which side of the border a team is from.

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Originally posted by duph
Ironic about your experience against US teams. The teams we played in Quebec were dirtier with their sticks than any other teams we played. It's probably more specific to region than which side of the border a team is from.

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I know exactly what you mean, Quebec players actually are super dirty. When they played here they would get everyone so riled up with their antics, and then you'd go to hit them and they'd basically lay down on the ice to avoid a body check. Its funny now when I look back at it.

uum ok, i'll weigh in on this one.

i think it's right that bertuzzi is out for the rest of the season and the playoffs. its only fair given the ferocity of the hit he laid down - even if the resulting injury wasn't "intentional".

furthermore, i think the NHL should reserve the right to ban bertuzzi from NHL play for the rest of his life IF - and only if - the injuries to moore prove to be career ending. that would send a message to all players that anyone who lays down a potentially career ending hit like bertuzzi's runs the risk of ending their OWN career...

game on!

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Originally posted by fridge
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...im&id=1757143#

I don't know if this guy is Canadian or not, but this is one of the reasons why I refuse to listen to American hockey announcers.

When me and my brother have played down in the States, there's way too much stickwork, because there is no fear of retaliation. Maybe we're all just greasy thugs.

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Jim Kelly is a douchebag. Plain and simple. If he was going to write a column on violence in hockey, you need to include Gary Suter's hit on Paul Karya in 1998. But rather than get to the heat of the matter, he chooses to villify Canadian hockey players.

Way to throw around a bunch of stats, Jim. Of course you are going to be able to prove that the Canadians are the dirty ones. Canadians have always - and will most likely always - make up the majority of the players in the NHL. Way to prove your point. No talk about 'can openers' or any other such move popularized by Europeans. What about the Havlat incident a few weeks ago? Way to omit those.

There are going to be dumb-asses in every culture, country, and walk of life, but this guys article is a crock of biased horse shit.