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How the hell are you going to use that for self-defense? Tell the bad-guys you're calling a timeout while you put your gun together and load it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
Str8line got a regular safe, not a gun safe (as I read the OP.)Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
Dude, I don't think it's cool that you made your baby take a gun training course. I don't care how good of a shot she is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
That's the universe's way of saying, "Get the fuck out of Philly. :)"Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
yeah...he didn't say he was going to keep the gun in there he indicated that buying a safe was part of the impetus for the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
A keypad long gun safe should be about a 10sec to open affair and a biometric/combo handgun safe should be about 1 sec. That's pretty fast.
These work pretty well...
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1165351036
On a seriuos note, i think guns should only be used for protection from deadly bodily harm. Its not worth shooting someone over property, thats what insurance is for. I would never, never use a weapon in a home invasion situation unless faced with injury. I would proably beat a hasty reatreat out the window and call the cops. Not worth the reprussions of shooting someone in a robbery like that.
It is a keypad safe. I bought it to protect things from fire, etc. As my kids get older I'm sure it will double as a porn storage device too. Then I thought that if I got a pistol it could reside in the safe and be accessible quickly. Since I'm thinking shotgun now I will probably just use the safe for its original intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
One way you could keep you shotgun ready for use but inoperable for children is to use one of those free cable locks that gun companies and the government give away. Load your magazine then slide the action half-way open and loop the cable through the bottom and out the side. The action will still slide a little bit, but not far enough to chamber a shell. Keep the key on your bed stand, and still keep the shotgun out of reach so it can't be knocked over.
Those things are a joke. My buddy was hunting one early morning this year and didn't notice he still had his gun locked until a few miles in. It took him two minutes to break the lock, and it was a step up from the crappy plastic free ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peewee
For young kids they're fine and to make a nice one would cost exactly $4.89 in aircraft cable, swages and padlock.
Yes, they are a joke- they're free. But they'll keep a little kid from putting a round in the chamber. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1165351036Quote:
These work pretty well...
Do you headbutt them with the foam tanker helmet before or after you throw the LSAT prep book at them? ;)
And I am truly suprised with the number of people here using .22s for home protection.... :eek:
Prodigy child!Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
That is why I did. Not sure why he has not used his brain yet. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
Just remember, shoot a perpetrator and you're probably going to jail.
And kill them or not, be prepared for the impending civil suit.
It may cost you more than they planned on stealing.
Indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
My friend (same 'hood' here in Utah that I was held up in) had an individual break into his home while he was there. Now my friend is just one of those paranoid guys that has a gun in every room of the house(little whacko, but good guy none the less). Anyway, the guy that broke into his home was some drunk dude with a shotgun. The guy saw my friend and took a shot at him. In his drunken state, he missed. My friend put 6 hydrashock .45 rounds into the guy, killing the man.
The police on the scene did nothing to my friend, but took the report..they werent concerned about the killing of the home invader since there was shotgun shot plastered into the wall. The story gets wierd when later my friend was formally charged with excessive force. The state was not at all concerened that he killed the man. They said he was justified in defending himself with equal force. The problem they had was that he put 6 rounds into the guy(they said he didnt need to unload his gun on the guy, and that he could have killed him with less shots, and that he had an anger management problem and had used excessive force)
It took about 1 year of legal bullshit and an attorney, but eventually all charges were dropped by the state. My friend is alive, and a free man, but I think his attorney's bill ended up being about 1 years worth of wages for him.
No shit he's got an anger management problem, some fucker broke into his home and shot at him! The dude definitely deserved a wedgie and a swirlie on TOP of getting 6 shells pumped into him.Quote:
Originally Posted by shmoesmith
BTW, what neighborhood do you live in in case someone I don't like asks where's a good neighborhood to live in?
I lived in South Salt Lake..just off of State Street. We had break-ins, rapes, and tons and tons of meth busts over there. Now I live in a much nicer section of the valley :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by str8line
Man, you guys have either got it pretty rough or you are over-compensating for something...
I live in downtown Calgary and my locks don't even work properly.
(and no, you can't have my address)
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Originally Posted by Blashyrkh
I'll sell it to interested parties....
Fucker!
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Get a Chesapeake bay retriever, he/she will do a lot more damage then a hand gun, but not the shot gun. Plus you have the added benefit of fewer lawsuits. I pity the fool who breaks in my house when Coot is on duty.
I am not a gun control freak, but I would not trust kids, especially teenagers when they get that old. They manage to find things like this, especially if you keep it with you porn stash, and then do stupid things.
alarms, locks and well trained dogs are more noticable to the burgler than a pistol locked in a safe. training a dog to protect your family is alot more fun and productive than having a loaded pistol under your pillow. everyone wants to blow away the fucker who breaks into the house, but its just not practical. train a police pedigree german shepherd instead. Ive seen these dogs in action. anyone stupid enough to break into your house will wish you had the pistol.
depending where you put them, and as long as you keep them all in one piece, the upper and lower receiver take about 2 seconds to slap back together, and another second or two to load your clip and chamber a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
that's how.
I have my gun right at my bedside, loaded and hot (with safety on), but I don't have kids.
It was just a suggestion...honestly, it'd take about a second longer along with hiding the ammo. Just how far you want to disassemble and scatter is up to you.
The way the laws are in Minnesota, if they enter the house,and pose a threat then you can shoot. But you had better kill them because if you don't they can sue you for their injuries. However, their family can't sue you fortheir death. So if someone, God forbid breaks in my house, I will kill them. I have two beautiful little girls and will do anything to protect them. I shoot a fair amount, not as much as I would like, but I don't ski as much as I would like either. I keep the gun locked, in my bedroom, and only my wife and I know how to access the gun. Honestly, she doesn't stand a chance, so if I'm not home I can only hope the dog will put up a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeti
Good Luck,
Jay
as they say: better to be judged by 12 than buried by 6. ;)
Colorado = strong make my day law.
I don't have the patience to read the whole thread, so my apologies if this has been covered: More people with guns are shot by burglars than those without them (as a per cent). The reason is that most people can't just bring themselves to shoot an intruder. Instead, they yell "Halt" or "Freeze" or whatever and then of course the burglar blasts them before they can get a shot off.
So guns are fine for home protection, but only if you are brave/heartless/smart enough to just fucking shoot them and put them down for good. Are you willing to put a bullet in them without warning, Gordy?
If not, a stout lock on your bedroom door and a quick call to 911 is a lot better way to go.
The ultimate in home protection:
http://www.tool-net.co.uk/data/tools/axma512lb.jpg
Bump for relevant news
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/163148Quote:
AZ Daily Star
Resident wounds, kills home invaders
By Dale Quinn
arizona daily star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 01.04.2007
advertisementA Southwest Side man shot two men Tuesday night, killing one and wounding another, after a group of men burst into his home and broke down the door to the bedroom where he had been sleeping.
The armed invasion is the third time in a week armed men have broken into Southwest Side homes threatening the occupants.
In the latest incident, the occupants of the home — three adults and one child — were not injured, but concern about possible retaliation from the armed robbers or their friends has the family thinking about moving.
Philip M. Mendoza, 22, shot the intruders with a shotgun after they had rushed into the house, forced his family to the floor and attempted to break into the bedroom, said Sgt. James Ogden, a spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
The day after the shooting, Mendoza said he didn't know why the invaders chose his family's house, but that his mother no longer feels safe there.
"I'm pretty sure we're going to get out of here," Mendoza said. "My mom is scared. My mom is terrified."
He said people had already driven by his house saying they'd known the men who'd been shot at the home.
Anthony Ralph Amavisca, 32, of the 700 block of North San Rafael Avenue, died at the scene and Carlos Jesus Alcaraz, 31, was taken to a hospital in critical condition.
Many invasions unreported
Tucson police are investigating a possible link between two earlier home invasions — one that occurred Tuesday morning and one Dec. 27 — that happened near South Midvale Park and West Drexel roads.
Sheriff's Department investigators have not yet determined whether the latest home invasion has anything to do with the previous two. The fatal shooting happened about five miles from the previous two incidents.
"It doesn't look like it is connected, but it's still in the early stages of the investigation," Ogden said.
Tucson police will work with the Sheriff's Department to see if the crimes are linked, said Sgt. Mark Robinson, a police spokesman. He said there hasn't necessarily been a rising trend of home invasions and sometimes the crimes are never reported to police.
Historically, victims of home-invasion robberies are sometimes involved in illegal activity such as drugs or people smuggling and "do not report these types of incidents to the authorities," Robinson said. "Local authorities learn about them from neighbors or witness reports."
Invaders flee with wounded
According to the Sheriff's Department, the latest case began after 10 p.m. Tuesday as a woman was doing laundry near the back of a house on West Valencia Road near South Mark Road.
Six men, some of whom were armed, entered through an unlocked rear door. The men yelled at the people in the home and ordered them on the floor.
The noise awakened Mendoza, who was sleeping in a bedroom. He said he then locked the door to his room and got a loaded shotgun that was in his room.
He saw the doorknob turn and then one of the men kicked down the bedroom door. Mendoza said he fired the shotgun, wounding the man. Then a second man appeared in the door, and Mendoza shot again, killing the man.
The home invaders picked up the wounded man and fled in a dark-colored sedan, according to the Sheriff's Department.
Mendoza called the police at about 10:40 p.m.
A few minutes after Mendoza's call, sheriff's deputies received a second call about a shooting victim and went to a residence nearby in the 5000 block of West Corona Road. There they found a man with what appeared to be a gunshot wound and saw a dark-colored sedan in the driveway.
Four men in the house were detained and questioned. Deputies released two of the men and arrested Philip Nidez Valencia, 28, of the 800 block of West Calle Ventura, and Robert Sanchez Escobedo, 25, of the 1400 block of West Sonora Street, on suspicion of first-degree murder in connection with the home invasion, according to the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
The men were arrested under the felony-murder rule, which allows an individual to be charged with murder when someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, even if the individual is not directly responsible for the death.
Ogden could not say what the home invaders expected to find when they entered the house, citing the early processes of the investigation.
No decision yet on charges
The Sheriff's Department will present the evidence to the Pima County Attorney's Office, which will decide if Mendoza will face charges for shooting the home invaders, Ogden said.
According to court documents Sanchez has been arrested several times on charges including weapons misconduct and possession of drug paraphernalia. Alcaraz also has past arrests on drug charges, court documents show.
In the Tuesday morning home invasion, several men forced their way into a home in the 1600 block of West Maplewood Drive and demanded valuables. On Dec. 27, just two doors down in the 1500 block of Maplewood, assailants invaded a home in a similar manner.
● Contact reporter Dale Quinn at 629-9412 or dquinn@azstarnet.com.
Now that is quite a fucking MMD law:
homeowner kills intruder(s)
undead intruders charged with fellow intruders death
:yourock:
Actually that is just application of what is known as "felony murder", which is part of common law and that of most states. If, during the comission of a felony, someone dies as the result, a person(s) comitting the felony, whether or not they in fact caused the death, is subject to 1st degree murder charges. It applies between co-felons also.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
total sweetness!
That is an awesome law!
In a state full of unusual politicians, you’re going to wind up with some unusual laws. Down here there’s a law called the “stand your ground law “
In a nutshell “A person, in any place that a person has a right to be, HAS NO DUTY TO RETREAT and may meet force with force including deadly force.
It’s also known as the “shoot first law”
Even with all the rednecks down here you hardly ever see public arguments.:fm:
For you to get arrested for killing someone that enters your house is ridiculously absurd.
Are they just going to take the silver, or did they come here trying to rape your wife? Who the fuck knows.. They are getting a round in the head/chest in my house.
Can someone find a case for me where a homeowner was prosecuted for killing an unarmed intruder ( again, how do you know if they are armed? Shoot fist, questions later.)
I remember a case a few years ago in NY where a man was charged for shooting an intruder. From the case details I remember, he was an ex-marine who had recently moved to NY. Apparently a man was in his daughters room. He warned the man. The man rushed him, and he shot the guy in the leg or something(non-fatal). As I recall he was charged because he had not had his gun registration go through yet in the state of NY(he had moved to NY from another state where it was registered).
I don't know what the outcome was, but it was on the news and stuff and the state DA was not backing down on the charges.
I prolly live in one of the safest areas around and there isn't a room in my house without a loaded firearm. i'll skip and whistle unarmed through the roughest neighborhoods like a little twinkie. But when it comes to my home and family, i have no problem "thinning the herd" when someone decides to enter without knocking. and my 10 year old daughter knows more about gun safety and proper firearm handling than most hunters I know.
cops don't stop crimes, they show up after a crime has been committed. don't rely on them to protect you. they just notify your next of kin.
a polite society is an armed society and i think it is the responsible thing to do for every citizen to arm themselves to avoid being victims of crime.
and lock your fuggin car/house doors! you're far more likely to be the victim of a petty crime of opportunity than a felonious assault involving a shooting.
crap, my soapbox just broke under all the weight i gained over the holidays
Here in St. Louis we had a case where an elderly landlord evicted one of his tenants. The guy came to his house and ended up assaulting him. The old guy shot him ionce with a 22 that jammed afterwards, so he grabbed another pistol from another room and shot him again. Im not sure wether the guy was still after him or not, but since by leaving the room he proved he could have fled, he was sent to jail.
I think we need that stand your ground law here, but something to think about none the less.
BUMP for another law abiding gun owner saving the day
Honking their horns? Thank god for the gun owner..Quote:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...=2007703050350
March 5, 2007
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A death averted
Passer-by uses gun to halt attack
By Nicklaus Lovelady
nicklaus.lovelady@jackson.gannett.com
Brian Albert Broom/The Clarion-Ledger
Police place Henry Watson, 42, of Jackson into a cruiser Sunday afternoon after he allegedly attacked his wife, Gracie Watson, reportedly stabbing her then pouring gas on her and trying to set her on fire outside Family Dollar at the intersection of Hanging Moss Road and Nakoma Drive.
As customers watched in horror Sunday afternoon, a man stabbed a woman and attempted to set her on fire in the parking lot of a Jackson store, witnesses said.
The attack was stopped by a passer-by, who held the man at gunpoint until police arrived, witnesses said.
The suspect, Henry Watson, 42, was arrested and is expected to face aggravated assault charges, Jackson Police Department Cmdr. Lee Vance said. Watson's wife, Gracie Watson, 42, was transported to the University of Mississippi Medical center, where she was listed in good condition.
"It wasn't five minutes from when she had left my line when I heard a scream outside," said Theresa Stuckey, a cashier at the Family Dollar at 516 Nakoma Drive in Jackson. "I looked out, and (the attacker) was on top of her stabbing her, and stabbing her and stabbing her.
"She was screaming, 'Help, he's trying to kill me!' She was rolling on the ground, trying to get out of the way, but he kept stabbing her. He stabbed her about 20 times in the neck, back and arms."
As the attack continued, people were yelling at the man to stop and honking their horns, Stuckey said. She said she called 911.
"He was just standing over her hacking away," said Dolly Baker, who had just left the Save-A-Lot store next door when she saw the attack.
Baker said she watched the man pour gasoline on the victim then try to strike a match.
"He was literally trying to kill that lady in broad daylight," she said.
Baker said a passer-by stopped the attack.
"He told the man, 'Stop, or I'm going to shoot. And if you run, I'm going to kill you,' " Baker said.
The man held Watson at bay until police arrived at the scene.
"Right now, all we know is that (Watson) attacked his wife. For what reason, we don't know," Jackson Police Department Sgt. Eric Smith said.
Police said they are looking for the passer-by who stopped the attack and would like to talk to him but don't know who he is or where he went.
The incident occurred about 3:50 p.m.
Smith said he did not know exactly how many times Gracie Watson was stabbed but said it was more than 10 times.
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Fuck guns! I want one of these for home protection.
http://myspace-272.vo.llnwd.net/0005...55213272_l.jpg
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Originally Posted by P_McPoser
It took you 3 months to dig another story of a "law abiding gun owner saving the day" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
Wow. I've changed my mind on gun control...:D
Holy crap! See the kind of shit that happens outside Family Dollar? I avoid that place like the plague. You'd never see that in front of the Neiman Marcus. The worse you'll see men in suits sitting around crying into their lattes while their wives shop for shoes.
While I agree that Arty is the *ultimate* weapon, I personally prefer to keep lots of heavy objects good for serious bludgeoning around the house within easy reach.
Nothing says "You are so fucked, buddy" like an angry little cuban chick swinging heavy objects around, chasing you, and screaming expletives.
The expression on the face is worth the extra effort involved, totally. Plus it's a good workout to boot.
Sprite
law-abiding? they're still looking for the dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
besides, that wasn't home protection.:confused: