Bigger Bro Model

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Originally Posted by Squatch

don't listen to the masses, splat. build the big ski. :D

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I never thought that I would say this in business world, but yeah,squatch is right.

Since your project is gonna be a Non-Profit effort with limited production, go with a Bang. Dont do any compromises. Make a ski that really kicks your teeth in and leaves you to bleed. Make that ski a legend,to whom all others skis under the sun will be compared decades after.

And most importantly: Make it pink and with unicorns,stating I AM A MAN,I AM FREE AND I AM PROUD!

Now say it :
I´M A MAN AND I´D LIKE TO RIDE THE PINK UNICORN!!!

http://www.a-rocking-horse-to-love.c...small/t_76.jpg

B??E, quit effin' with my effort...

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Originally Posted by Jumper Bones

and you're a pussy 12-year-old or whatever. Let me clue you in, in a couple years, not so far away, you'll feel the same as we do.

I recommend you stop being such a faggot. This is a rager, destroyer ski. NOT FOR PUSSIES. If you want something average, go buy a B4 or Squads or something.

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The John Bonham "Hammer of the gods" signature model.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/skifishbum/jb.jpg
I was hoping for something similiar to the BD or 190 sumo.
Only FKNA made w/ pride in America.
And if I could come personally work om my sticks that would be the topper.
3 seasons ago I gear whored some 198 R/ex's from the UAC swap. First run I did not ride good and ate some Aspen wood. Dislocating my shoulder and lost the month of Jan. Urrl had mercy on me and it didn't snow that month.So I don't know if I posess the cajones or skills to ride such a beast, but it's gonna be fun as hell trying.
Maybe the shorter fatter Notorious BIG model too.
And a "Selena" model For Adam;)

Edit Splat here is that link to lightning boards http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45732

Since I just settled a case and dont feel like working too much this afternoon, I will throw in my $.02. I agree with some others that have already piped in.... If you want to make a conventional shaped ski and make it a "real big mountain" ski, bring back the shape of the Nordica FF/105 but wider. How bout just adding 10mm all the way through and add some length. That would end up with 135-115-125 and about 200cm and would be alot of fun. You dont want to make it stiffer than Squads though, cuz my 194 Squads dont handle pow as well as they could if they were a touch softer. And this isnt going to be a ski you would want to ski on hardpack unless it was really smooth. Plus with the extra length, you dont need the stiffness as much. Now if you want to make a "non-traditional" ski, something along the lines of the 193 EHP in a 200 would also be fun. :biggrin:

If you're going to build a hammer, build a BFH. This is a niche ski; no use compromising.

208cm
The tiniest and lowest of rounded flip tails: just enough so it doesn't hang up on sideslips.
I'll let everyone else argue about waist width and exact dimensions.
Very little/no camber.
~8cm extra tip rocker, giving it the running length of a 200cm with normal tip. Then you can make it stiff without getting too much tip dive.

OK. I'm dreaming of shapes.
Thanks for the suggestions.
We're hoping to send some protos south.
The press is up and running and we have enough materials on hand to get some rough shapes out.
Anything else?

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Originally Posted by marshalolson

its sad that nobody has the sack to ski square and flat tails these days either. make that fucking thing a true 205.

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If only one could get a ski like that...

Splat - the perfect ski you need as a template has already been built. It's the 190cm Nordica FF9.1/ W105.

Just scale it up to 200cm and the waist will rise proportionately to 110mm. Simple.

It answers all the questions. Why waste time and money reinventing the wheel?

Think I don't ski well enough to enter that discussion here, sorry.

I know I don't but it's not going to stop me.

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Originally Posted by bad_roo

I know I don't but it's not going to stop me.

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I'm glad I'm not alone on that one.

If your making a 200 make a 190 as well so us smaller chargers can charge and compete on them.
Dreaming...

Even though it's clearly obvious clear that I'm not good enough to really comment... But I'll still do it.

I still say that do the 205 no compromise ski (stiff, say Squad stiffness or slightly less) version and then a tuned down for us wussies... like 195 and softer (around Explosive or slightly less), no real point in downsizing to smaller as it would be too close to the 88 Bro.

Oh, zero or very little camber, slighly flaired and rounded tail (like on Stöckli Stormriders), also a pintail would be swheet... Also the showel should be a bit softer over all than the rest of the ski, giving good turn initiation and make the ski a tad easier to manouver. Stiff underfoot and tail would mean that you could still go at mach looney on it and it would really pop out of turns plus takea a beating when landing airs. A slight pintail would be also sweet to make smearing easier and not hook up the tail. As for tail rocker, well I'd say no but the tail of Stöckli Stormrider DP's is pretty nice (slighly raised and rounded in the corners).

Just my hippy opinions...

I flexed a squad once....I am scared

195+ ! anything else is for pussies.(though more than 20Xcm (with x lower than 6 ;) ) wouldN't be necessary either i guess)
and yeah around 110ish underfoot would be great.
don't decrease the tip width. i'd say 135mm wouldn't be bad either.
(at that length the radius would still be high 30s or more..)


btw. has anyone a 198 squad for sale ? :D

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

btw. has anyone a 198 squad for sale ? :D

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Just one? :confused:

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

btw. has anyone a 198 squad for sale ? :D

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I broke the one that I flexed so that guy might be willing to sell






slappin hand on thigh

Hey...somebody call me an asshole or something and get me off the front page of this discussion....:D:nonono2:

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Originally Posted by train07

Hey...somebody call me an asshole or something and get me off the front page of this discussion....:D:nonono2:

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asshole

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I havn't read through this entire thread so I'm sure this has been said at least once....but I'll say it again.

You already have a 100 waist ski, which by many people's standards is all they will ever need. Dude...6 years ago 90 or 100 was HUGE. Pow plus' were just monsters and obsurd in size. Now it's normal.

Marketing/Financial Concern:
It costs money to make big skis. Material, time, setup/changing cost, tooling, etc etc....you know this. To build a huge ski that only a very select few people will buy hardly seems worth it from a financial viewpoint, unless you're plan is to charge $700 plus....in which case someone like me wouldn't even consider it.

I know it's pesemistic (fuck, I don't even know how to spell pess-a-mis-tic), but just my opinion.

All that having been said, I'd love to see a big bro at 195, swallow tail or twin, similar flex to softs. If they run $500 or $600 like the current bro, I'd even think about buying it. But it'd be last on my list after some 179's, and some sub 170's for my wife.

Apparently no one gives a shit what you think, max! http://tetongravity.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

edg

what everybody else said, but I think a more consistant flex through the mid-way point between the tip and the toe piece for stability in chopped is most important. Meaning from the tail to the half way point between the tip and toe piece being super stiff and then a bit softer from that point to the tip for float would prove to be optimal for hairy situations.

Just my .02

Interested to see what becomes of the Big Bros this summer. Yeah I am only 5'9" and 155#. But I am still interested in long, stiff skis that haul ass. I will be patiently awaiting the feedback of how the Big Bros perform. This would be a very specialty ski for me but its something I want to add to my quiver.

I got my tight trees and bumps ski in my 178 8800's. I got my all around do everything ski in my 186 LP's. Now I want a go big or go home ski and a pair of 200-205 pair of Bro's seem to fit that bill.

If you build them, they will come.

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Originally Posted by justcuz

I'd love to see a big bro at 195, swallow tail or twin, similar flex to softs. If they run $500 or $600 like the current bro, I'd even think about buying it. But it'd be last on my list after some 179's, and some sub 170's for my wife.

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Dood, I think you just described AK Rockets.

bit late to chime in on this, but if we are looking at a NON-PRODUCTION, big killer ski as Idris intitially stated, then the 110 underfoot and 200+ length fits that bill. Not gonna personally argue too much over the details, as Unless I win the lottery, move to AK and buy a chopper with pilot, and thats the
only skiing I do for the rest of my life, I'll never be rockstar, strong or heavy enough to need that ski. But as one offs, dreams, and limited runs go, this would be a pretty killer ski, although I wonder how many people would need it to be too much stiffer than the Squad in all seriousness.

However, of we're talking the next production shape I'll be somewhat uncool and say something a bit skinnier. Not a conventional bump ski, but a maggot midfat. Something of a similar shape to say the Karma or the PR - high 80s to low 90s underfoot. A lot of peeps who ski in areas with firmer snow want something a bit quicker edge to edge, but generally have to get something soft like the PR, which isn't always grippy enough, or something too skinny for trips out west or on the odd pow day at home - like the 6 star.

I reckon the bro, with all 3 flex options, in a 180 (+-5cms) length, but about 88mm underfoot, (and maybe with a bit more twin to it to goof on?) would be a more commercial option, whilst still being
big enough for most here to consider and not feel undergunned on. Example, early/late season out west, maybe perfect one ski quiver out east, and with the weight benefits the layup provides, a serious contender
for a near perfect spring/summer corn harvesting plank. Also, the shape looks fat enough for the more 'commercial' buyer - what they would consider as a fat ski, without being '2 snowboards'

my $0.02...

Goddammit, give me something that I can't just go out and buy in a store. Keep in mind that I already have a 137-108-128mm ski...2 sets of them! Give Igneous a run for their money, make something that I'd have to pay even more extra for just to order it from them. Don't hold back!

For you people wanting something 100 or 105-waisted in a 190, go buy that shit in ski shops because that shit is average and it's readily available. Stuff like we're talking here isn't. This Pussification of America will not stand! It is the death of us!!!

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Originally Posted by Jumper Bones

This Pussification of America will not stand! It is the death of us!!!

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hear hear

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Originally Posted by jonski

However, of we're talking the next production shape I'll be somewhat uncool and say something a bit skinnier. Not a conventional bump ski, but a maggot midfat. Something of a similar shape to say the Karma or the PR - high 80s to low 90s underfoot. A lot of peeps who ski in areas with firmer snow want something a bit quicker edge to edge, but generally have to get something soft like the PR, which isn't always grippy enough, or something too skinny for trips out west or on the odd pow day at home - like the 6 star.

I reckon the bro, with all 3 flex options, in a 180 (+-5cms) length, but about 88mm underfoot, (and maybe with a bit more twin to it to goof on?) would be a more commercial option, whilst still being
big enough for most here to consider and not feel undergunned on. Example, early/late season out west, maybe perfect one ski quiver out east, and with the weight benefits the layup provides, a serious contender
for a near perfect spring/summer corn harvesting plank. Also, the shape looks fat enough for the more 'commercial' buyer - what they would consider as a fat ski, without being '2 snowboards'

my $0.02...

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Ooh if PMGear had made that kind of ski for the regular price of Bros I would've jumped on them right away.

That said, PMGear is catering to a certainly niche market, and as such, making a ski like this would open up that niche significantly. Whether they want to do that or not depends on them. The bigger Bro would help extend the niche in the opposite direction. In a perfect world, PMGear would make Small Bro, Bro, and Big Bro so that almost everyone's wishes could be fulfilled, pretty much.

I'm all about a super stiff, nice and long, fat ( like 115) ski for charging. As has been said, a pintail would be killer and a rockered tip too. But please, please, make em in TWO sizes. I mean, I know I'ma strong skier and I love stiff skis (ex-racer, yada yada) but at 5'7" and 165lbs, a true 205 is just too long. So please hook up us vertically challenged charging mags by making this new Bro available in like a 193-5 and a 205, same dimensions, same flex, etc, just like a midget charging ski. Thanks from the little people...

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Originally Posted by rugbydave

But please, please, make em in TWO sizes. I mean, I know I'ma strong skier and I love stiff skis (ex-racer, yada yada) but at 5'7" and 165lbs, a true 205 is just too long.

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As Idris stated in the first post, THE SKI IS A FRIGGIN PROTO!
It will be a limited edition SHOWCASE.


So stop asking for a fucking watered down pussyfication of it. Let PMGear have a biggest marketing tool of the ski-industry outside the skijumping and get some weight,dude.



i am about the same size as you,so i dont even fantasize about the sticks..ehm..well..i do..but you get the point.




Shivering in anticipation.

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Originally Posted by Jumper Bones

Goddammit, give me something that I can't just go out and buy in a store. Keep in mind that I already have a 137-108-128mm ski...2 sets of them! Give Igneous a run for their money, make something that I'd have to pay even more extra for just to order it from them. Don't hold back!

For you people wanting something 100 or 105-waisted in a 190, go buy that shit in ski shops because that shit is average and it's readily available. Stuff like we're talking here isn't. This Pussification of America will not stand! It is the death of us!!!

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WELL PUT!!! If i want 190 gotamas i'll go out and buy some, but I want something badass, huge, burly and preferably with "gaper-killer" written somewhere on it. Seriously, the industry need some skis that are stiff and long, a ski that makes the legend pro xxl look like a rental ski, we need skis that will make people step up, we need a true big bro...:)

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Originally Posted by soul_skier

WELL PUT!!! If i want 190 gotamas i'll go out and buy some, but I want something badass, huge, burly and preferably with "gaper-killer" written somewhere on it. Seriously, the industry need some skis that are stiff and long, a ski that makes the legend pro xxl look like a rental ski, we need skis that will make people step up, we need a true big bro...:)

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says the guy who is 5-10 and 140lbs.

Creative and ingenius suggestions specific to size, dimensions, radius, amount of rocker, and stiffness (fore and aft) that could be formulated into a poll and voted on? Once we feel like we have something that has enough appeal to work for a good number of skiers here, it makes it easier to hone in on a design. Maybe a template for opinions would be cool. ;)

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Originally Posted by splat

Creative and ingenius suggestions specific to size, dimensions, radius, amount of rocker, and stiffness (fore and aft) that could be formulated into a poll and voted on? Once we feel like we have something that has enough appeal to work for a good number of skiers here, it makes it easier to hone in on a design. Maybe a template for opinions would be cool. ;)

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For the record, this is really cool to see. I can't wait to see what kind of prototypes come out in the end, whatever beasts they may be :p

[QUOTE=soul_skier]...preferably with "gaper-killer" written somewhere on it. [QUOTE]

Best idea in this thread. The graphics should have bloody starter jackets or somethign else mothers would shield thier childrens eyes from.

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Originally Posted by soul_skier

and preferably with "gaper-killer" written somewhere on it.

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and put FKNA on the bases

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Originally Posted by mc_roon

and put FKNA on the bases

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This is an idea someone suggested for, I think, the first run of Bros. It so should never have been scrapped!

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Originally Posted by Dromond

This is an idea someone suggested for, I think, the first run of Bros. It so should never have been scrapped!

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I think it was because it was way too expensive for a smalll run of skis.

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Originally Posted by Squatch

I think it was because it was way too expensive for a smalll run of skis.

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Yeah, lasercutting peices of base material can't be cheap.


...but really, how awesome would that be?

wi der!

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everybody now....

wi der!

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and the crowd goes wild .....aahhahhahahhhhh!!

:)