Bindings, what do you set yours at?

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09-29-2005, 11:47 PM
Z

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Originally Posted by Sphinx

No worries, I have Dynafits, too.

heh. not the response i would expect, but ok.

I think if I put dynafits on my skis i would murder them within 1 hour of skiing. Unless i can set them at 24. In which case I am so fucking in. :D ;)
09-30-2005, 06:51 AM
Tippster

Eleventyfourand a half.

My feet are tiny.
09-30-2005, 07:59 AM
sea2ski

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Originally Posted by Tippster

My feet are tiny.

Slow pitch...
09-30-2005, 08:11 AM
crashnburn'd

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Originally Posted by sea2ski

Slow pitch...

MTV disproved this theory.
09-30-2005, 09:58 AM
Stanyo

I keep my bindings set around 9 or 10, and I'm about 5'4" and 130 pounds. I'm pretty small, but I jump a alot and keeping the din that high works pretty well, I still prerelease a bit, though.
09-30-2005, 10:25 AM
DBdude

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Originally Posted by Skip Dooley

Esp. since high din bindos don;t usually have upward toe release.

Except MARKER, hence there suckiness. I have a pair of high DIN Markers set at 11.5 and they really suck. Come of at the weirdest times, an example would be when I'm in ice moguls in complete control. I'm not a great technical skier. Sheet in and sail ugly is my motto for skiing. But damn, they suck.

With my weight and boot length at the "extremo" column on the DIN charts I'm a 8.5.
09-30-2005, 10:40 AM
Jim S

"Marker" spelled backwards is "Launch" :wink:
09-30-2005, 10:46 AM
mtbakerskier

I like to keep my looks and my sollies at 16. However Im not a jibber either.
09-30-2005, 10:55 AM
Tippster

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Originally Posted by Jim S

"Marker" spelled backwards is "Launch" :wink:

Huh. I always thought it was WREcKRAM
09-30-2005, 03:35 PM
Dside11-11

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Originally Posted by natty dread

Yep. Keep my 900s at 13-14, while the 916s work fine at 11-12.

Dude, don't max your springs. 12 max on S900's. Anything else WILL prematurely evacuate.
09-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Meathelmet

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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier

I like to keep my looks and my sollies at 16. However Im not a jibber either.

And you wonder why you Naxos wont last...

Graaaaaaaantt?!
10-02-2005, 03:35 PM
DINMS

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

Riiiiight. Easy for you to say because you've trained yourself to do it. Same with Coldsmoke; he can ski on one ski with either leg. I can't do it at all. I could probably learn, but I'm not patient that way. Maybe if I had learned when I was younger... Anyway, since I can't even ski a green run on one ski that logic doesn't work for me. I can't afford to lose a ski anywhere, particularly in chutes like Suicide, Pipeline, North Chute, Lenin, etc. If I lose a ski I'm screwed cuz there's no way I can ski down. Seriously.

How's your acl?
10-02-2005, 03:50 PM
Sphinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z

heh. not the response i would expect, but ok.

I think if I put dynafits on my skis i would murder them within 1 hour of skiing. Unless i can set them at 24. In which case I am so fucking in. :D ;)

You wouldn't destroy them.

You might prerelease a bunch, but you won't destroy them. They're hard to destroy.

And given the softness of Dynafit compatible boots, you might not even prerelease!

Plus, the new Dynafit goes to 12 this year.

Or just get the race Dynafits that don't have lateral release.
10-02-2005, 03:52 PM
Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphinx

You wouldn't destroy them.

You might prerelease a bunch, but you won't destroy them. They're hard to destroy.

And given the softness of Dynafit compatible boots, you might not even prerelease!

Plus, the new Dynafit goes to 12 this year.

Or just get the race Dynafits that don't have lateral release.

heh. i bet i wouldn't destory them....

By murder, i mean i would take my ski pole, and physically murder them. :biggrin:
10-02-2005, 03:55 PM
Sphinx

A pole won't help you much. It would take a #3 pozidrive and a tiny allen wrench. :D

I bet their metal to plastic mass ratio is higher than P18s. Bragging rights, baby!
10-02-2005, 04:14 PM
Darkside

5'11", 185lbs. and I ski my P18's at 10-11 early season, 12-14 usually.
10-02-2005, 04:38 PM
wanghoeby

I end up leaving my fronts lower than the rear. My tall stature allows the rear to heal lift out at lower settings, but my low body wieght wont twist out of the fronts correctly at the same setting. It's the tall skinny guy combo.
10-02-2005, 05:28 PM
Spicoli

I no longer mess with bindings. I'm now using Velcro and have had zero problems. As far as weight savings...wow!
10-02-2005, 07:23 PM
Z

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Originally Posted by Sphinx

A pole won't help you much. It would take a #3 pozidrive and a tiny allen wrench.

Screw it then. I'll just ship em out to mildbill. He'll take care of em. :biggrin: ;)
10-02-2005, 07:41 PM
altagirl

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Originally Posted by eldereldo

Perhaps the high settings some are using is why there seems to be so many knee injuries around here? I can twist my foot out of my binding or pull my heel up with a bit of effort, but not enough to tweek anything so if I started a slow twisting fall I can easily force my bindings to release.

Nope. I ski with my bindings set at manufacturers recommendations. And still blew out a knee skiing about 6 years ago. My other (recent) blown knee was mountain biking, on flat pedals no less. I'm talented.

I've read studies that said you could still tear an ACL if your bindings were set at the lowest possible settings. It doesn't take much force at all, and I know when I blew my knee skiing it wasn't a motion that would have made my bindings even try to release - my foot stayed still and I fell backwards and to the side (in bumps). My lesson learned out of the whole thing was to quit pushing myself when I'm too tired and sore - that's when I'm going to get hurt. My DIN setting was where it was supposed to be and I don't believe it would have made any difference if it was set lower or higher.
10-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Nate Dogg

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Originally Posted by altagirl

Nope. I ski with my bindings set at manufacturers recommendations. And still blew out a knee skiing about 6 years ago. My other (recent) blown knee was mountain biking, on flat pedals no less. I'm talented.

I've read studies that said you could still tear an ACL if your bindings were set at the lowest possible settings. It doesn't take much force at all, and I know when I blew my knee skiing it wasn't a motion that would have made my bindings even try to release - my foot stayed still and I fell backwards and to the side (in bumps). My lesson learned out of the whole thing was to quit pushing myself when I'm too tired and sore - that's when I'm going to get hurt. My DIN setting was where it was supposed to be and I don't believe it would have made any difference if it was set lower or higher.

I'll second that, my DIN is set a manuf. reccomendation and I tweaked my ACL (fortunately nothing serious) in a backward twisting fall. There is no way I would have released unless it were absurdly loose, and even then it is unlikely. With anymore force put on my knee I'd likely have joined the gimp crew...I suspect DIN is not a major factor in quite a few acl injuries
10-02-2005, 09:02 PM
wanghoeby

Quote:

Originally Posted by altagirl

Nope. I ski with my bindings set at manufacturers recommendations. And still blew out a knee skiing about 6 years ago. My other (recent) blown knee was mountain biking, on flat pedals no less. I'm talented.

I've read studies that said you could still tear an ACL if your bindings were set at the lowest possible settings. It doesn't take much force at all, and I know when I blew my knee skiing it wasn't a motion that would have made my bindings even try to release - my foot stayed still and I fell backwards and to the side (in bumps). My lesson learned out of the whole thing was to quit pushing myself when I'm too tired and sore - that's when I'm going to get hurt. My DIN setting was where it was supposed to be and I don't believe it would have made any difference if it was set lower or higher.

I just got hooked up here at the university with a biomedical internship with some professors. Sounds like this year we will be continuing their research on the how the ACL tears. We use really expensive 3-D motion capturing cameras(20K each) and all sorts of complicated programs, so I haven't gotten even close to up to date with the rest of the group and/or the comprehension of the data. If we make anybreak thoughs or we find something interesting I'll let you guys know. From the posters they made last year, it looked like fatigue might play a fair sized role in it. Generally it's up in the air though, hence the research. :D
10-02-2005, 09:38 PM
iceman

Pretty much gospel: If you keep your hands in front of you, you won't tear your ACL.

The trick is doing it. Not quite as easy as it sounds.
10-02-2005, 09:44 PM
basom

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Originally Posted by iceman

Pretty much gospel: If you keep your hands in front of you, you won't tear your ACL.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/G...39996_6168.jpg
10-02-2005, 09:46 PM
PacRimRider1

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanghoeby

I just got hooked up here at the university with a biomedical internship with some professors. Sounds like this year we will be continuing their research on the how the ACL tears. We use really expensive 3-D motion capturing cameras(20K each) and all sorts of complicated programs, so I haven't gotten even close to up to date with the rest of the group and/or the comprehension of the data. If we make anybreak thoughs or we find something interesting I'll let you guys know. From the posters they made last year, it looked like fatigue might play a fair sized role in it. Generally it's up in the air though, hence the research. :D

I know of a really good way to capture some torn ACLs on film:
1)Put boot on and step into binding.
2)Twist foot violently until boot releases from said binding.
3)Increase DIN setting.
4)Reapeat steps 2 and 3 until ACL is torn.
10-02-2005, 09:52 PM
iceman

Base, I think most people's hands end up in front AFTER the tear, but maybe I'm wrong.

My point was about skiing. The major culprit in skiing is the slow twisting rearward fall where the ski gets to act like a lever and just rips your knee apart. Keep your hands in front of you and you have a drastically improved chance of staying in one piece. Reaching out to save yourself as you fall is what fucks you in this scenario, it multiplies the force bigtime.

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.
10-02-2005, 09:59 PM
basom

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Originally Posted by iceman

Base, I think most people's hands end up in front AFTER the tear, but maybe I'm wrong.

no, i think your probably right. although, my tear happened in a hyper extension, and my hands were certainly in front of me. it was, however, two runs past "the last run" on one of the most tiering ski days i've had.
10-02-2005, 10:00 PM
nesta

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.[/QUOTE]

Lucky me, I'm 2/2 on the other ways.
:frown:
10-02-2005, 10:04 PM
iceman

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Originally Posted by basom

no, i think your probably right. although, my tear happened in a hyper extension, and my hands were certainly in front of me. it was, however, two runs past "the last run" on one of the most tiering ski days i've had.

Yeah I just edited that post trying to be clearer. Not sure if I succeeded.
10-02-2005, 10:35 PM
Meathelmet

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Originally Posted by Sphinx

Plus, the new Dynafit goes to 12 this year.

Hmmm?

Does it or did I get served?

I am "supposed" to have 05/06 dynafit comforts,ordered from TP.
They only go to 10.

They are totally grey,not the red-gray i saw last year.

?
10-02-2005, 10:42 PM
Sphinx

No serveage. Looks like they're not out yet.

http://www.wildsnow.com/backcountry-blog/backcountry-skiing-4-show.html[/url]

Near the end of the page.

Next year maybe?
10-03-2005, 10:17 AM
altagirl

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Originally Posted by nesta

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.

Lucky me, I'm 2/2 on the other ways.
:frown:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my last one on the bike just involved putting a foot down in sand followed by pop, collapse, you have got to be *#&%^ kidding me... Just ungodly bad luck with the placement and weighting of my foot I guess, but my hands were definitely out front. ;)

My first torn ACL (other knee) was the classic overtired (on top of early season) resulting in hitting a bump wrong and twisting and falling into the backseat. Which if I remember correctly, I had hyperextended the day before and decided to ski anyway. A whole string of bad judgement calls on my part because I didn't want to miss out on a minute's worth of skiing. Not ever having been really injured before, I had no idea what I was getting myself into...
01-26-2006, 02:25 AM
MeatPuppet

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Originally Posted by Highway Star

From 12 to 14 seems to be the sweet spot for me, 13 for any normal freeskiing ski. I'm 6'1, 180 lb, but have a very short boot, 293mm, which means I need more din. I'm not particularly reckless, I just like to ski fast on choppy snow, which can cause pre-releasing at lower dins. Ususally ski race stock salomons, 9-16 or 11-17 din, but I bought some Look p18's this year.

Highway Star

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