'Rona back in the hizzy

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Originally Posted by The AD

This thread jinxed me. I started feeling a bit of a sore throat last night and I'm definitely sick today. I haven't taken a COVID test yet, though.

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Sort of a sore throat today. Sinuses slightly clogged and leaking the post nasal which I hope is why the throat is sore. Took a covid pregnancy test, negative, not preggers, need to rinse, lather, repeat on Friday. I'll probably skip my exercise class tomorrow that is all old people and do the YouTube recording from home. Bummer because I like the in person version much more better.

Could seasonal flu or pneumonia vaccine cause cold symptoms? I had both shots on Monday.

For those that haven’t had Covid:

1. I’m not being a dick, but you’ve had it. Probably just super mild illness. I’ve had it three times, kid the same. Zero home precautions, my wife has “never had it”. Fucking impossible given our little kid is a cough/snot machine. How could someone not have had it. Aren’t there some seroprevalence studies out there? Too lazy to look.

2. If someone is truly immune naive it would be interesting to see how current covid would affect them if unvaccinated. Is it mild now because it’s less virulent, or because everyone is vaccinated+had exposure?

Edit:96% seroprevalence in 2022 per CDC. So it’s a pretty darn rare unicorn to have not had covid.

I think "never tested positive" is a better way to say it. But only if you actually test when experiencing any type of symptoms...not if you just don't test. I've never tested positive. Wife has had it twice. Once bad, once moderate. Slept in the same bed with her and tested when she did over the course of her illness. No +. Went on a seven day river trip with 19 others sharing a river kitchen. Mass spreader event so to speak. Two of us didn't test positive. Had the initial three vaxes, nothing since.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

There is also some evidence that the immunity drop when efficacy wanes, can drop lower than you would be if you had never taken the vax, albeit temporarily.

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Immunity to what?

Would you like to explain what's known about memory b cell development after encounter with antigen for us to help prove your point?

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

If someone is truly immune naive it would be interesting to see how current covid would affect them if unvaccinated. Is it mild now because it’s less virulent, or because everyone is vaccinated+had exposure?

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The answer is both. The evidence clearly shows SARS-CoV-2 evolved into a less virulent more transmissible organism. There is also better immune response to the worst outcomes in the community at large.

I ran into a large group of WW paddling buddies who were running rivers & camping, so they all looked really happening really strong, ran into them a week later and they all looked like shit, they were all sick cuz some one had introduced a bug into the camp kitchen

the local ski hut we put in running water into as oposed to the walking water with the milk pails, the cook told me the sickness incidence went way down without the dipper & pails

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

The answer is both. The evidence clearly shows SARS-CoV-2 evolved into a less virulent more transmissible organism. There is also better immune response to the worst outcomes in the community at large.

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Right, agreed. But it's hard to gauge true severity in a community that already had 95+% seroprevalance either from vax or exposure or both prior to Omicron.

I mean clinically, you could see it was less virulent. I was doing a lot of lung ultrasounds in the first two years of covid, horrible shit, even in "mild", non-hypoxic patients showing pathology on ultrasound. Then Omicron, and all of a sudden, ultrasound of lungs looked very different. Like night and day different.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Not much has changed. It ebbs/flows but still rarely puts people in the hospital. Only people I've seen admitted with it in last couple years are those immunocompromised. A leukemia patient, a 90+ yr old, etc.

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Just sayin'...the more you know

The impact of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has changed dramatically since 2020.

Despite periodic episodes of high transmission, severe outcomes from COVID-19 have substantially decreased since 2020 and 2021.

The decline in deaths associated with COVID-19 is even more dramatic than the drop in hospitalizations. In 2021, over 450,000 deaths among Americans were associated with COVID-19, while in 2023, that number fell to roughly 75,000. This represents an 83% decrease since early in the pandemic. That said, the number of COVID-19-related deaths is still substantial, impacting families across the country. Based on preliminary data, COVID-19 still ranks as the 10th most common cause of death in the U.S. for 2023, a drop from 3rd in 2020 and 2021 and 4th in 2022.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncird/whats-new/...-covid-19.html

Me and the wife got it 2 weeks ago. So did 86yo FIL
We still have long covid effects

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

For those that haven’t had Covid:

1. I’m not being a dick, but you’ve had it. Probably just super mild illness.

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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
You cannot tell the difference between flu and COVID-19 by the symptoms alone because they have some of the same signs and symptoms. Specific testing is needed to tell what the illness is and to confirm a diagnosis.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

The worst place to get sick is around schools or kids and by definition all your kids friends and their family ect so if you aren't around kids or schools you are less likely to pick up anything so while it would seem less healthy maybe the single party scene is not ?

but maybe you wana quit passing the reefer and that bottle of fireball, i know i don't anymore ?

in the thick of covid a local tree planting outfit properly quarantined before going into camp and operated a full planting season out in the middle of nowhere with ZERO sickness. So usually one person on a crew would be sick is pretty standard but beside no covid they had no cold of any kind no down time so lots of trees planted

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You missed my point entirely. I was talking to the question of what's in the vax. How much do you trust your source of whatever it is you're about to ingest at that party? You prefer your mystery drug cocktail from a deal you just met because he didn't seem sketchy over something that has some level of peer reviewed science behind it?

Maybe I need to sit down and shut up. A good friend of mine just lost his son over the weekend due to a suspected drug OD. Probably fent. Another good friend just found out her brother has been on H for the last 7 years and is desperate for help. A lot of folks act all high and mighty when it comes to vax purity, and then go put whatever lands in their hand at the party into their system no questions asked.

The line of questioning and hand wringing behind 'is the vax effective, for how long, do I really need it, is it just hotdog water' is idiotic if you're not asking 'is my weed cut with fent/pcp, what is my microdose really made of, what the hell is kratom actually'. Yeah, the vax isn't 100% perfect, but it's far from the worst think any of us have ever willingly done to ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

For those that haven’t had Covid:

1. I’m not being a dick, but you’ve had it. Probably just super mild illness. I’ve had it three times, kid the same. Zero home precautions, my wife has “never had it”. Fucking impossible given our little kid is a cough/snot machine. How could someone not have had it. Aren’t there some seroprevalence studies out there? Too lazy to look.

2. If someone is truly immune naive it would be interesting to see how current covid would affect them if unvaccinated. Is it mild now because it’s less virulent, or because everyone is vaccinated+had exposure?

Edit:96% seroprevalence in 2022 per CDC. So it’s a pretty darn rare unicorn to have not had covid.

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could someone have also just been a carrier so to speak carrying it but not getting covid ?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

could someone have also just been a carrier so to speak carrying it but not getting covid ?

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Yes

Asymptomatic COVID-19 is quite common. Scientists think that at least 20% of all people infected with COVID-19 never have symptoms.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/asymptomatic-covid

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Originally Posted by Not DJSapp

You missed my point entirely. I was talking to the question of what's in the vax. How much do you trust your source of whatever it is you're about to ingest at that party? You prefer your mystery drug cocktail from a deal you just met because he didn't seem sketchy over something that has some level of peer reviewed science behind it?

Maybe I need to sit down and shut up. A good friend of mine just lost his son over the weekend due to a suspected drug OD. Probably fent. Another good friend just found out her brother has been on H for the last 7 years and is desperate for help. A lot of folks act all high and mighty when it comes to vax purity, and then go put whatever lands in their hand at the party into their system no questions asked.

The line of questioning and hand wringing behind 'is the vax effective, for how long, do I really need it, is it just hotdog water' is idiotic if you're not asking 'is my weed cut with fent/pcp, what is my microdose really made of, what the hell is kratom actually'. Yeah, the vax isn't 100% perfect, but it's far from the worst think any of us have ever willingly done to ourselves.

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huh ? I may wonder if its the right vax at the right time but I am pretty sure the Vax I been getting under gov supervision at safeway is real covid vax,

the MJ I buy from the anesthetist's kid ( really) at the really well appointed MJ store which even has a government tax stamp is just MJ

I don't see how you can talk about vax purity in the same post as fentynal ?

And actualy anestist bro tells me they used fentynal in medicine but he knew what he was doing

people take all kinds of things at a party and I'm suggesting you could avoid all kinds of germs by not sharing the bottle or the reefer which they do in the planting camps but maybe you want to quit sharing drugs if you don't know what you are taking ?




edit: and btw micro dosing psylisiben DOES NOT get you high because the standard 150-200mg microdose cap is 1/5th to 1/10 of a rec dose, so the idea is TO NOT get high, the idea is that small amounts of psilipyben or LSD might have desirable therapeutic effects in the longer term like stopping drinking or stopping MJ or less anxiety or wtf

and even if it did get you high why would you want to take it at a waffle house in the AM cuz now you arent going to sleep for a long time ??

I suggest the non-micro dose an hr before you want it to kick in on party night or a large non micro dose at the waffle house if you wana stay up all day

but i'm not that smart

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Edit:96% seroprevalence in 2022 per CDC. So it’s a pretty darn rare unicorn to have not had covid.

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I think the 2022 seroprevalence from cdc measured inflection and/or vax.

Understanding the point, though, there have been large surges in infections over the past few years.

The only times I've had anything similar, cold, etc. I've tested negative. There was one time in Feb 2020 that the wife and I had a cold at the same time but that was before testing, we thought "maybe..." later on but I don't think it was COVID. She tested positive once but as soon as she felt weird I headed for the couch and never even had mild cold symptoms. I got vaxxed twice early on but not since. I still think I haven't had it. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

<snip> I still think I haven't had it. *shrug*

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Very unlikely. See Post 7123727

I never tested positive. Ever. Not even this morning . The one time I most definitely had the 'rona, testing was not available yet. Look at my fever posts in the ratflu thread from the first week of March, 2020. I've been sick since then a few times and never, ever tested positive. Whatever serum test I got done unfortunately was after my first set of vaccines. And my doctor wouldn't order both of the required tests. Didn't see the utility.

Man I felt like shit all day today. Can't wait to put it behind me.

The first time I had covid I didn't even know it. It was spring, allergies had been killing me for weeks, I figured they were just getting worse. Finally I stopped resisting taking claritin and I felt much better when I took it. Still sick but way better. Then the next day after I took the Claritin my wife felt shitty and tested positive, so I toook a test and it was positive. Just covid was a lot better than covid and allergies.

Has anyone had hot sex when sick with COVID? Like night sweats hot.

Figure it would be like pulling baby calves out of a cow's vagina with a bunch of East Coast tick harvesting a hairy back.

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Originally Posted by Meconium

Figure it would be like pulling baby calves out of a cow's vagina with a bunch of East Coast tick harvesting a hairy back.

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yeah me too

The one time I got it I could barely climb the stairs. Fucked me up for a month. Get well those of you dealing with it.

The sheer amount of sweat I put into my bed during my first bout of Covid was insane. A full week of it. Then shivers all night. Those flashbacks are another reason I was inquiring about the new info out there. That fucking sucked hard. Probably the sickest I’ve ever been.

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Originally Posted by Not DJSapp

You missed my point entirely. I was talking to the question of what's in the vax. How much do you trust your source of whatever it is you're about to ingest at that party? You prefer your mystery drug cocktail from a deal you just met because he didn't seem sketchy over something that has some level of peer reviewed science behind it?

Maybe I need to sit down and shut up. A good friend of mine just lost his son over the weekend due to a suspected drug OD. Probably fent. Another good friend just found out her brother has been on H for the last 7 years and is desperate for help. A lot of folks act all high and mighty when it comes to vax purity, and then go put whatever lands in their hand at the party into their system no questions asked.

The line of questioning and hand wringing behind 'is the vax effective, for how long, do I really need it, is it just hotdog water' is idiotic if you're not asking 'is my weed cut with fent/pcp, what is my microdose really made of, what the hell is kratom actually'. Yeah, the vax isn't 100% perfect, but it's far from the worst think any of us have ever willingly done to ourselves.

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Great analogy, I totally remember all the mandates by private corporations that if you didn't eat (that's how you do it right) the kratom, and smoke the black market pot, and microdose at least freaking something, you're getting fired, but hey, they'll use the excuse they're just following the cdc and who recommendations, that they'll later admit just came from nowhere but maybe bill gates.

Fent is a real issue man, sorry for the loss, but i don't see how it has anything to do with the vax. they are very different issues. Fent is the biggest killer of americans thse days. Seems like it should be priority one but politicians don't talk about it or seem to want to do much. Wonder why. Us banks getting caught laundering cartel money and getting a slap on the wrist has something to do with it though.

None of which is justification for hey lets just blindly trust some different corporations cus in our youth we may have engaged in other high risk behaviors. I also think people actively using hard drugs are probably not really thinking that hard one way or the other about the vax. I know lots of people who didn't get it who aren't drug users. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but hey, drugs are bad mmkay seems tobe the obvious conclusion from your post but you seem to do everything possible to avoid that conclusion nd instead say its what, anti vaxxers?

I'm not trying to be a dick, or kick you when you're down, but this division seems so contrived, when the obvious solutions to virtually all the problems americans face today is if we had some unity, resisted division, we could demand some accountability ad change. There are a lot of controversial issues these days, they're the ones the media bludgeons us with constantly, but there are tons of things we can probably all agree on, but corrupt assholes somewhere dont' want us to. Fent, qualified immunity, cartel money laundered through us banks, and for profit prisons, are a few that a tied together and universally agreed on.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

could someone have also just been a carrier so to speak carrying it but not getting covid ?

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I don't have a source of the top of my head, but I have seen some study that seemed to support long covid actually being more likely from a minimal or asymptomatic response. Regardless, there is no carrier, you've had it, and it can affect you, even if it wasn't initial symptoms, who know how this now almost surely lab made thing actually works.

Just dear diary storytime for funsies, when i got covid i was sleeping in my car on a road trip in the winter. Pretty well prepared for overnight camping down to well below zero under normal circumstances when I wasn't sweating buckets, but with covid the sweat to shiver cycle became just fucking brutal when it was like 10 degrees outside.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

I’m still covid-free as far as I’m aware. I’ll be getting novavax again this year, likely in a few weeks prior to a large week-long work meeting that’ll involve lots of travel. Last year, I had no noticeable side effects to the novavax, while was laid up in bed for several days from the mRNA vaxes.

Topol seems to summarize the reason with some links to clinical(?) rationale, “Our best defense against Long Covid is not to get Covid. Our second best known defense is to be vaccinated. The better the vaccine, the less Long Covid risk.” https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the...le-covid-virus

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Topol wants high-risk individuals to receive biannual boosters to match the biannual surges, and thinks CDC/FDA should move faster to get better booster matches as the variants change. He'd also like to see more US efforts on nasal vaccines, and pan-corona vaccines, both of which show promise. India has approved a nasal vaccine that blocks spread (block shown in hamsters).

That nasal vaccine sounds promising if it blocks spread in humans too.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Great analogy, I totally remember all the mandates by private corporations that if you didn't eat (that's how you do it right) the kratom, and smoke the black market pot, and microdose at least freaking something, you're getting fired, but hey, they'll use the excuse they're just following the cdc and who recommendations, that they'll later admit just came from nowhere but maybe bill gates.

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Just fuck off with this. Those vaccines were approved. Yes, the process may have been truncated, but to act like it's in any way comparable to street drugs is silly. The mandates were intended to curb a public health catastrophe that has killed over one million Americans so far.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Just fuck off with this. Those vaccines were approved. Yes, the process may have been truncated, but to act like it's in any way comparable to street drugs is silly. The mandates were intended to curb a public health catastrophe that has killed over one million Americans so far.

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Srsly, though - just put that asswipe on ignore - every thread gets *way* less dumb without his contributions. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The AD

Just fuck off with this. Those vaccines were approved. Yes, the process may have been truncated, but to act like it's in any way comparable to street drugs is silly. The mandates were intended to curb a public health catastrophe that has killed over one million Americans so far.

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Please don't quote the nullwit.

Point taken, gents.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Point taken, gents.

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I've heard that one of the side effects of long covid is that you make multiple posts in a row.

People have been working on a nasal vaccine since the pandemic started. There are a couple of candidates in early trials. The India vaccine seems to work well as far as producing immunity markers. The trial I found didn't have enough people to show how well it actually prevents infection, compared to inected vaccine. At this point it might be hard to enroll enough people to do a good trial.

When the Savin (oral polio) vaccine came out all of us who had already had the Salk injected vaccine got the Sabin. The injected is better at preventing paralytic polio; the oral is better at preventing transmission--which is why they're using it in Gaza.

Day 3 of a miserable head cold with some body aches, sore throat, and the occasional loose movements. Still testing negative for the 'rona. I wonder if there is some segment of the population that can get COVID-19 and not test positive, as I have never tested positive. Is it even possible to have it and not shed it??? Or I just suck at testing. I am very thorough with the instructions.

Or you just have any number of routine seasonal viruses circulating.

In patients presenting to ED or urgent care anecdotally I’d say our positivity rate is a fair bit less than 50%

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Or you just have any number of routine seasonal viruses circulating.

In patients presenting to ED or urgent care anecdotally I’d say our positivity rate is a fair bit less than 50%

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I hate seasonal viruses.

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Originally Posted by riser4

I hate seasonal viruses.

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Especially herpes.

I didn't test positive the first couple days of feeling like crap, and then the third day the test strip lit up.

Seem to be feeling better today. Heal up mang.
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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Please don't quote the nullwit.

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Can we just get a sticky saying that? Seems like an endless job reminding people to not quote him

I was sick back in early July, tested negative the one time I have tested. Been dealing with "long" something since then, still have a cough I can't kick and general lowish energy. Doc said it might have been covid and might have been cold, he's seeing a lot of these lingering issues regardless of virus.

Still sucks.