Poor boy. Here’s a fact, I’ve never emptied a bedpan I’m not a nurse or even a CNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
I’m working, I should say I’m at work, slow day in the OR.
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Poor boy. Here’s a fact, I’ve never emptied a bedpan I’m not a nurse or even a CNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
I’m working, I should say I’m at work, slow day in the OR.
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We need a new thread discussing how much internet banter is too much when the guy on the other end pretty clearly has some sort of spectrum disorder.
I’m on Comcast, never tried Spectrum, how is it?
What kind of loser still has cable?
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This is why we can't have nice things.
I'd be preparing for a mass casualty event if I were you, if the last couple of pages are to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
And buttah--if you're going to keep at it, at least try to be a little more original and a little funnier. A well crafted insult is a work of art.
Anyway, we have to thank Buttah for enlivening what was an awfully tedious conversation.
Getting back to the tedious conversation--men being what we are, death sports are preferrable to war. Generally only a life or two is risked at once, women and children, the elderly and the meek (like me) are spared, and there is much fun to be had in the process. PTSD is relatively rare.
A 140 pound geriatric roadie threatening people? Funny StuffQuote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Since it is apparently important that we keep score, here is my play by play.
Somebody I know died. Buttah need to say it didn't fit nice definition of an accident. I basically responded by telling him to shut the fuck up not because he was wrong but because it didn't think it was the right place. Its not just what you say but how and when you say it.
Then I went skiing all day with friends morning the loss of three members of our community in less that a week. So yeah, laps. Next was a day of work. And ya'll are still doing it.
Other than those that I've meet in person, I don't pass judgement on character. I just respond to posts. I have and will stick up for the mod mentality, including those that pile on Buttah.
Life experience is that those that threaten physical violence tend to have no experience with it and are the first ones to pee their pants when it may get real. So perhaps reconsider. That goes for anyone that is escalating an internet disagreement.
If Foggy's post is TLDR for some I'll sum it all up with,
Don't be a fucking pussy.
Good article.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrantN
Taking chances is ok. Death is ok. Don't be a fucking pussy.
Death is OK?
I dunno, maybe so but I will reserve judgement for a while yet. Go ahead and then report back.
Yes. It's ok. If someone accepts it being a risk in their activities there's nothing wrong with that. It's really no ones business. It's their life and their death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
I'm a firm believer that none of us is as important as our egos like to have us believing we are. We all die and it's going to be just fine.
https://youtu.be/R-0Z9OAa2W8?si=xQSFreYrlXNM-8Zn
“Do you know who the hell I am?”
Fucking savage.
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That’s a good read. He talks about the power of negative thinking in other things I have read. I use this myself. I don’t think “if” I think “when” that slope rips where am I going to wind up and in what shape. He also mentions wrecks, a better term then accident in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrantN
An acceptable level of risk is what you’re comfortable with IF you understand the consequences. I think a lot of folks don’t really understand the consequences until they’re older and have experienced the carnage. I’m comfortable with my mortality and have been very lucky but I want to string this adventure out as long as I’m able.
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Attracted to danger but survived my youth.
Managing risk becomes it own reward.
I have yet to see anyone in this thread talk about anyone other than themselves--no mention of partners, parents, children, friends, people you owe money to. Not that I'm surprised.
Why would I talk about them here? Nobody knows them. They all know the risks involved in my recreational activities and participate. Life is dangerous and short.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
As far as people that I owe money to, that’s down to the bank for my mortgage that’ll be paid off soon but would be covered by life insurance if I were to pass before. I’m not sure what the intent of your post was, care to elaborate?
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What are you getting at? Are you planning to put others at risk?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Don't agree with old goat much but do on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren Jakal
Said it in the Tof thread and got hammered on some for my opinion.
Sayin it again.
If one has children it's a moral obligation to dial it back some.
Or don't have kids and live life to it's fullest with your ambitions.
For me, living life to it's fullest in my 30's was having kids and sharing life with them.
Full circle, having kids and all, won't know unless ya do it...
That's because I haven't posted in this thread yet. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
I think what people don't get is that when a person takes mortal risk, others suffer in the wake of failure.
I hear people say, "I would never commit suicide because it is such a selfish act and harms the ones I leave behind the most."
Extreme sports risk does not carry the same harm to others as suicide primarily because the individual that died was doing something they loved. This is much easier to rationalize. Suicide on the other hand, may result in the statement, "If only I could have done something?"
Now, if one truly believes dying has no effect on others or one simply doesn't care... then have at it with abandon.
I took serious risk kayaking class v and v+ water and first descents as a young man. I had friends die. I knew the risks and accepted the possibility of death. I legitimately almost died once and was accepting of death during and after the event. I also knew I was being selfish and putting my parents, siblings, and friend's mental health at risk. However, I don't think I understood the magnitude of their risk at the time. If I were to do it all over again, I think I would need to have some serious conversations with them prior to sending it.
Flame away.
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Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
In addition, the research is pretty compelling that humans do a poor job of assessing risk & consequence at most stages of skill/experience. Mostly on the optimistic side.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. How your kids influence your actions does not concern me one way or the other. We are all going to understand and manage our own risks in our own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Question for parents - do you dial it back (A) out of moral obligation, or (B) you find being with your spouse/kids brings greater joy than the risk/return of whatever death defying feat you are contemplating?
I was in Camp B
A not B. But it was also tied up with fear. I started getting scared in places that didn't use to scare me. I wasn't scared of dying. I was scared of not making it home.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
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A and B.
The two combined were quite powerful.
Was responding to old goat, sorry, my bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren Jakal
This. B is still fun but not as fun as before.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
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Neither, really. I didn't want to die / get grievously injured before kids, and I still don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
To the extent I've dialed back on risks, it's because I'm older and I'm aware that I'm not as strong and fit as I once was, and I take longer to heal. While people die on mundane shit all the time, none of the stuff that I'm doing feels like it's toeing right up to the line of deadly consequence. But if I shy away from teeing up some drop, it's generally because I look at it and recognize that my legs probably aren't strong enough to muscle out of a manky landing, but I'm not thinking "this drop feels too risky and I've got mouths to feed." Like, freak accidents aside, the realistic consequence is I blow a knee or whatever. Which would certainly suck, but it doesn't really affect my kids' broader wellbeing.
B is great, but I never found it to be a replacement. It's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Not that I was ever risking life and limb on a regular basis. But my skiing goals definitely shifted from scary to aesthetic. Now I'm just limited by an aging body that increasingly refuses to do cool shit.
CoolQuote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
A and B. I don't really know how to separate it all.
I got caught in a slide in 2009 and got sucked through a forest. The only thing I thought about in that white room was my pregnant wife. In another wreck, I blew my knee because I was about to faceplant a tree at 40mph and I had contorted my body so severely to avoid the tree after my kids' faces flashed before my eyes at the sight of that tree.
Now that my kids are in school and I have so much life experience with them, I pictures their faces all the time when I'm ripping through the forest. And when I do, it means I'm worried about the snow, so I go home. If the snow is feeling safe but I'm seeing faces it's because I'm skiing too fast. So, I dial it back.
I had a life-threatening roll-over in my truck on the highway. No kids at the time, but I accepted that I was about to lose my head and I was completely at peace. I didn't think of anyone. At all.
All three of those accidents or wrecks shared one thing in common-- I saw doom coming but I got lucky. The kids being in the picture resulted in absolute, horrendous fear.
I don't like that fear. So, yeah, I dial it back every chance I get.
I was all set to navel gaze at my selfish reasons and their re-balancing as I've gained experience, increased risk tolerance and lost fear as a source of adrenaline after accepting mortality. Then I could use that to chastise others for their inferior choices and values. But now you're saying there's an option to get altruistic, take the moral high ground and chastise them from there?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
I'm going to have to rethink my contribution to this thread.
Not suggesting chastising anyone. Just that if there are people who love you, you might want to take their feelings into consideration when taking on risk. If no one loves you, have at it. (I'm not referring to any particular you.)
So no risk taking if someone loves you? Sounds like a joyless existence
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I have a wife and two small kids. I haven't dialed it back avie wise because I always wanted to come home. I guess I ski even closer to the avie limit than 20 years ago.
Hucks: well. Since my flat landing n 05 I've never really hucked anything above 3-5m I'd guess. And I've never liked to ski you Fall you die ski /into rappel lines. So I didn't have to dial it back.
Thanks for articulating what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
I didn't say that, but it should be part of your equation. But then it's not surprising to hear a bunch of skiers think only of themselves. We're a selfish bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I've taken my share of risk (although what I consider risk, unathletic nerd that I am, would not be considered risky by most here). Especially when I was young and single.
Circumstances matter. Girlfriend, or wife and kids? Significant risk of death, or "just" of injury?
The other thing to consider is how risky something actually is. The Alex Honnolds of this world are certainly taking risks but not as much as people might think. They're extremely well prepared--I don't remember the number but Honnold did Freerider a bunch of times before he soloed it. That doesn't mean people like him can't die but they're less likely to do so than the average risk taker who doesn't understand what it takes. I used to climb with a guy who has a first ascent in 50 Greatest; I was struck by how careful he was compared to my somewhat reckless, ignorant style.
I do believe one can live a joyful life without taking significant risks. But maybe not for you.