Seriously?? I had no idea.. I guess I better check on that before taking a loss on them!! Thanks for the heads up!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
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Seriously?? I had no idea.. I guess I better check on that before taking a loss on them!! Thanks for the heads up!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I usually can go between a 25.5 and a 26.5Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Went with a 26.5 in these and it's feeling tight in a shell fit and I'd never get into a 25.5.
Appreciate it, helps me realize I'm probably not missing out too much on that deal ... although it sounds like those boots might not be for sale anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
Yeah I think it depends on how comfortable you are with a VERY tight fit in an AT bootQuote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Anyone able to directly compare the fit to the Vulcan?
I needed a slight big toe length punch in the size 27 Vulcan. Would a size 28 Ridge be the move (other fit details notwithstanding)?
Fit notes comparing to ZGTP were great, too.
Thanks
I’ve had a 26 Vulcan, hoji pro tour, free 130 and found the 26 ridge to be too small lengthwise. Sized up to a 27 w/ Zipfit gft which is a more substantial liner and am happy w/ fit, rom and skiability.
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Copy. Thanks.
Fuckit, just ordered the last 28 from SkiMo after calling to confirm BSL (standard 10mm increments so 307mm for the 28)
I’m so excited for more real-world reviews from mags I trust!
I’ll probably take the plunge on some 27s soon…
One pair of those left, too, Z....
Anyone with a pair that can weigh just the shells?
My 27 shells were 1129g/1131g
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Got the boots today and... they're too big. I could tell as soon as I unboxed them. Back to skimo they go.
I bought 28s, after being in 27 Vulcans for a while previously which needed a length punch. Current boot is a 26.5 shell Tecnica, which is just a tad longer internally than the 27 Vulcan and didn't require a punch. But I think the 27 shell Ridge might be dang tight, almost too small.
Nice boot tho. Pretty complex, and I'm skeptical of the longevity of some of the small features and details. These make my ZGs look like caveman boots. Twist closure seemed wimpy. Tough to compare fit with the shell size being wrong but the heel pocket seemed a little bigger than the ZG. Toe box is wider at the very front but I felt width pressure at the ball of foot, which I expect would demand a punch there if I seriously pursued this boot.
I'm gonna keep skiing the Tecnicas as they fit well enough, ski great, and remain in decent shape. Also, while the Ridge has more range of motion overall and a little less friction, I think the forward travel is on par or even slightly less than that of the ZG, which is by far the more important direction for cuff mobility IMO. Does anyone put their foot way the fuck in front of them when striding? I need to push off with my foot way behind me, especially when on a slope, and need the cuff to come forward with my shin. The floating tongue is kinda cool but I think there's more material there than necessary (unless they really intend for it to play a meaningful role in the flex characteristics in conjunction with the hoji-lock spine) and maybe it hinders the forward travel a bit.
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I’d say yes. I value rearward range more than forward. Similar reason that people want a flat option in their binding. Stride length, rather than stride frequency, is generally where you gain efficiency on the skin track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
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anyone else feel like the front of the toebox is really low? Or did I just do a shitty job molding these liners? They're beefy.
Well, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Utah
But there's a practical limit to how far in front of your body you can weight a foot. I like to stride out long on the flats, too, but IMO you only need so much rearward ROM to get there. I'd prefer to have balanced ROM forward and backward, rather than biased rearward. Personal pref.
Wait, did you mean 27.5 Tecnica, or is your ZGTP really 2 mondos smaller than the Ridge? I did not realize the ZGTP was crazy long compared to other boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Regardless, good notes on fit. I am kind of between a 26 and 27 in most boots, so I'm still hopeful the 27 will work out. In a couple days, I'm gonna be near a shop that supposedly has both 26 and 27 in stock so I'm hopeful I can try them on in person and make a decision.
And you're the second person in this thread who mentioned specifically the forward ROM being lacking. That sucks for a boot this light. I agree that an even balance of (frictionless) forward/backward ROM is key. Rearward ROM seems to get more hype because I think it's more easily noticed when striding on flat ground and walking around a shop, but forward ROM makes a bigger difference on the skintrack for sure. Also, I think people's ankle dorsiflexion makes a big difference. My ankles are pretty stiff in dorsiflexion but less stiff in plantarflexion so I tend to notice a lack of rearward ROM a bit more than a lack of forward ROM.
Not sure I can get these to work with my feet.
The instep gimmick is nifty but there's just not a lot of space vertically for my feet in the toebox.
**Sold my pair***
I dunno that it's that long comparatively. Tecnica's 26.5 is comparable to the older 27 Dynafits in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Edited to remove wrong info
I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect. Scarpa is the only brand I know of that does that, I’m almost positive a Tecnica 26.0 and 26.5 are the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Whoops yeah I guess I had that wrong, sorry for the errorQuote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Tecnicas are known to run a little bit on the longer side. I can usually wear a mondo size smaller in them because I'm right in the middle.
I managed to try on a Ridge Pro in the size 27 today. The 27 is indeed the correct size for me, coming up from a 26 Vulcan makes sense for my foot. It sounds like if you’re in between sizes, maybe sizing up is okay. My 26 Vulcans had like a 5-8 mm shell fit before punching.
I’ll echo Norseman’s thoughts re ROM: not enough forward ROM vs tons of rearward ROM. I tried on the Radical Pro right afterwards, and it felt like the ROM was very similar forwards, maybe even more forward ROM in the Rad Pro with the instep buckle nice and tight. I tried both on with my footbeds and broken-in intuition pro tour liners.
Ridge Pro does feel pretty dang nice in ski mode, though I find it hard to carpet flex a boot with a rockered sole. Nicest I’ve felt in that weight class. If it fits, I can definitely see the appeal.
Sadly for fit, it felt too tight a lot of places. In the 6th toe area where I often need space for my tailor’s bunion but also particularly in the lateral midfoot, like in the styloid area. I’m not sure how much it can be punched, so I decided to pass. Especially at retail price. If I can find a pair for cheap in a year or two to play with, I might still give them a shot.
I also think rearward movement is a bit more important for my stride overall. I still need some forward flex but less degrees from neutral than rearwardQuote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
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I have the day off work, so I spent more time with the Ridge Pro. Maybe nobody cares about additional carpet testing impressions but I’ll give them in hopes it helps someone.
The forward ROM is better than I thought at first. Playing around with the buckles and stuff does make a difference. Upper Hoji lock strap and middle buckle tightness does impact things — looser than what you’d use for skiing reduces friction and gains a little ROM. In some ways this is great: you can keep it all tight for hot laps but also loosen things up to maximize ROM if there’s a long ascent.
Floating tongue placement also makes a difference. You can move the floating tongue upward/inward before tightening the BOA to lock the floating tongue where you want it. I think that helps keep the heel back/down and increase the volume in the midfoot a smidge, mostly vertically but also a little laterally IMHO. I thought that also helped with forward ROM, but I could be making that up in my head.
I first thought the ROM was similar to my Vulcans, but after more time I think it’s better than the Vulcan. Not night and day, but definitely there. I don’t think the Ridge Pro walks quite as well as the Skorpius, but the Ridge Pro is noticeably stiffer than the Skorpius in ski mode.
The Ridge Pro flex really seems dialed for how well it walks. Been a while since I had a ZeroG Tour Pro on my foot (this shop was out of my size) and I know the new ZGTP is supposed to walk better. So that will be a major shootout, I think.
I do think the Intuition Pro Tour liner is increasing friction in the walk mode. If I bought these, I’d be very curious about finding a substitute liner that walks better and is as low volume.
I’m really on the verge of buying them. I would be more hung ho if I hadn’t had the experience with the Skorpius where I was sure it would work with “just a little punching” only to find they couldn’t be punched enough for my feet.
Hope someone finds this helpful.
It does. Thanks. Pretty much tells me tha my considering the scorpius might be too risky. From what im gathering it'd need some punching for my foot. Ridge walks as well or better than the vulcan works for me if it skis as well as , now, multiple data points. Plus hoji free, vulcan have been good for me and the ridge fit seems atleast close enough to them. Now wait for the deals
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If anyones lookin for a pair of 26.5s, I'm selling mine. $700 shipped CONUS, never skied, liners molded once.
Would you ski the radicial in a 27.5?Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I’m in a 25.5 radical same as my langes, wondering if I would be a 26 here or not
I’d be 26.5 in the Radical, which is the same as my Langes, Vulcans, etc. I can’t speak to how the length in the 26 would feel for me — they were sold out of all but the 27 (and of course the width/volume would be worse in the 26).Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I have to punch my 26 boots for length, and the length in the 27 Ridge was on the upper end of reasonable for me. Norseman’s experience makes me think it will be close for anyone who decides to size up.
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Originally Posted by auvgeek
I’m curious how you think the Vulcan is close to the Ridge ROM. The Vulcan (with bump stops) had zero forward ROM. The ridge pro has a lot, much like the Hoji free and Radical.
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Originally Posted by nyskirat
I removed the bump stops from my Vulcans.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
I dunno man, I’m just going based off how they felt walking around on flat ground with one on each foot (with my footbeds and Intuition Pro Tour). I didn’t walk uphill, which would have been a better test of forward ROM.
Eric sighting... using the boots he designed
Supposed to be getting my pair " any time now". Running out of season
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will we be getting a 'free' version of these?
Didn't ask but I wouldn't be surprised at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Super curious about these boots, but even more curious about his binding setup...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
If hoji gets the 255 they could have made a few more :frown:
The guys at Mediocre amateur had this to say about it.
https://youtu.be/YPjahS0PHbQ
In the comments he mentions having skied the radical pro in a 26.5 and went with a 26.5 in this boot. Should be a good reference point for many here. Could be the goldilocks boot for skis ~1700 grams.
I sold my pair of 26s, but will likely at least try on some 25s next fall when they become available. I wear a 25 Zero G with a punch of punches, including a big toe punch. As has been noted, the Ridge seems short so I'm not sure if I'd be able to stretch a 25 enough to make it work length wise, but if so the volume might work enough that I wouldn't have to put a much thicker liner in it, which is where I ran into the problem of reducing the touring ROM. To me, with the stock liner in the touring ROM is pretty impressive (but not at all impressive with the thicker liner in it.)
Somewhere someone asked about touring with the middle buckle tightened to hold your ankle down. I tried this on my last day in the boot. This seemed to not have any impact on forward ROM but killed the rearward ROM because as you can see above its not a normal ankle buckle, its like a lower cuff buckle, and with it tight the cuff cant flex backwards compared to the tongue. Again, this was with the thicker liner.
The BOA like dial is kinda slow and tedious, much slower than a buckle and the slowest part of the transition with the boot (except when the Hojilock is really hard to push down). But I guess a buckle wouldn't work in this application.
Someone mentioned loosening the Hojilock velcro for long approaches then setting it to the appropriate tightness for doing laps or whatever. To me this is like the Scarpa F1 buckle not having enough throw to allow adequate touring ROM without resetting the velcro, if you have to do that then the system was designed poorly, because isn't that sort of the whole idea of the system?
Looks like a stripped down speed radical with a homemade riser, and a free ride spacer of some kind. Hoji may have designed the Ridge boot but he clearly had nothing to do with the Ridge bindingsQuote:
Originally Posted by alive