Might as well at this point! Seriously though, reading through this thread leaves me confused and stressed out with zero desire to ski up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutah
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Might as well at this point! Seriously though, reading through this thread leaves me confused and stressed out with zero desire to ski up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutah
Well.. the season hasn't really started yetQuote:
Originally Posted by raisingarizona13
I have no business starting the season thread but next year I propose we make a stoke and conditions thread and a BCC/LCC bitch thread like the front rangers have. Only other thing that will fix this thread is 2-3" of SWE (and no more) every week until closing day.
Curious to see how the cottonwood traffic hydra rears its head this year. HYPED for another year of whatever we get, hard to believe its only weeks away as we sit in the seasonal waiting room building anticipation. I loved how it just started on halloween and never ended last year, but I also kind of love the way tension ratchets up in november/december waiting for a base to build. Cold sunny days and empty trams for the white ribbon, will this be the worst season ever? Will we get any proper pow days before the Xmas hordes descend? Corn in January?
I'm personally most excited to go tour in some of the ranges to our west this year. Ive got a keen partner looking to hit some new places, and a wife who is actually excited to ride the bird finally.
That's fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Patience on all fronts.
Winter always arrives round here.
Parking is always found. Skiing is always good.
One of the more dependable places for snowfall, specially in a tweener winter.
Any positive stoke points gained tgapp?
who's going to the MSP Movie? I know it's like the third time it's been in the state. I'm excited for a little video stoke to get me through the next two weeks of pre-season.
Here's a rainy day mission for someone better on these machines than me: Find an article about 3 weeks old on ksl quoting an IOC guy saying that there would be no Olympic events in the LCC or BCC. Too much snow.
I thought it would be a bigger deal than not at all; wasn't a major "point" of the gondola the Olympics and needing an alternative access?
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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2023/1...s-coming-into/
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Bullock did not offer up any other options for the downhill. He did, however, take some off the table.
The Cottonwood Canyon resorts, particularly Snowbird and Alta Ski Area in Little Cottonwood Canyon, he said, are not an option. As much as that decision has to do with the congestion on State Route 210, Bullock said it’s also an issue of snow. As in, they get too much of it.
“The cottonwoods would never be considered,” he said. “No. 1 is we made a commitment not to put any Olympic events up Little Cottonwood Canyon. And, the Cottonwoods, particularly Little Cottonwood Canyon, get too much snow. …
“When a ski course or snowboard course is prepared, a tremendous amount of work goes into that in terms of contouring and shaping of the hill. And if snow happens, they have to start all over again. It sounds strange, but it’s best to have less frequent snow than the Cottonwoods get in order to have a more predictable course.”
Because it requires so much real estate, the downhill will almost certainly have to be held at a ski resort. For two other relatively new ski events, however, the Salt Lake Valley can literally be their playground.
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Fraser Bullock, the president and CEO of the Salt Lake City-Utah Committee for the Games.
I hate the canyons
I hate the traffic
There. I said it. One strike.
Reliable sources were floating rumors that Snowbird was frothing to host an event and the single egress point was a roadblock to that, but AFAIK there was never an official public statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Can't stop, won't stop. Where's my spoon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
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Snowbird never went public with their desire to hold an Olympic event. It’s my understanding that they’d also like to host a World Cup event, but the schedule is full for the next decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Good interview with UTA ski bus lead on this year's status. I didn't fully follow it but UTA now actually rebating resorts for private employee shuttles since bus blows. Also some gondi talk.
https://saltlake.citycast.fm/podcast...ss-this-winter
Demand UDOT Instead of Politicians Control Traction Sign Policy in the Cottonwoods
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/521/294/415/
Seems like common sense?
Thanks NBABucks1.
Saying the same thing, but the ksl article had an IOC guy saying that and more.
Thought it woulda produced a bigger reaction locally.
Fact is, there are no homologated hills for Olympic events at this time in BCC and the LCC. Cutting and dozing would be needed to create events.
On a different note, if Vail owned Brighton and Alta they would connect a Gondi from the private land of Park City and connect to upper BCC and the LCC.
Through Guardsman's and Twin Lakes Pass.
And Laughlin jr. isn't so true to style as his forebearers were bout keeping Alta like the old days...
Would that concept be so bad considering current travel times?
I dunno. Whadya all think?
I think that would change my opinion on whether I’d ever consider living up in PC…Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
I don't understand how giving PC access to LCC/BCC would do anything more than raise prices, increase lift waits, increase backcountry crowds, and overtax a couple small canyons. There would be a ton of people flooding in from the PC side. I thought we wanted to solve the problem of overcrowding our scarce resources? More people in an overcrowded underdeveloped area is not a solution, it's a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Sure it'll give those poor PC locals a better commute and all their 2 million annual skier visitors an easy way to wake up and casually access the cottonwoods on days it dumps out there and not PC, but was that ever a problem needing to be solved? I like the thought of connecting ski areas, but in this instance it sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
Mike Maughan made these comments at the September Town Council meeting. His comment about bus service being a challenge is an understatement. Maybe the resorts can push UDOT / UPD or whoever to start enforcing traction regulations.
Mike also mentioned that while bus service is an
option, it poses its own challenges, especially during adverse weather conditions. Instead, he expressed
more optimism about other solutions such as traction control, keeping the main line open, and the
possibility of closing uphill traffic for a few hours on weekends and holidays to alleviate traffic
congestion in the area. He said he may come back at some point requesting the council’s support on a letter.
I think that you would be surprised about how few people would utilize the connection from PC to BCC and fewer yet to LCC. That would mean a twenty plus minute wait from the bus to the resort. Twenty 30 plus minutes from the base of PCMR to the connection lift, 30 plus from the connection lift to B-RIGHT-ON and then another 20+ to Alta. Not many people who are rich spoiled and dropping mega$$$ to stay in PC would want to two hours and more to get from their hotel to ski the cottonwoods when they can drive and be there in less than 1/2 the time. Moreover, many, if not most of the tourists visiting Park City are flatlanders who travel with their families to visit a winter wonderland with good (not Alta/Bird good) skiing, restaurants, spas, slednecking, nordic and more. Most who come to PC are dentists who want to ski the big bad west and then brag about it to their friends at the country club. Just look at the Jup and 9990 lifts. Usually walk on and hardly ever a line. For PC skiers from FL., NC, NY and NJ those two peaks are enough for them There is no reason for a lot of them to slide on anything more than PCMR/DV. A lot would not be more at home in the cottonwoods. As for me, a Parkite, I would rather drive my veh. to the Collins lot any day (other than weekends) than do through a connection from PC to LCC.
OTOH, if the public transportation could get me from the base of the Can. to Alta in 35, then I would be a taker, but that will not happen in my lifetime
Here is some stoke from yesterday's storm. Hiked/Skinned to the top of the kitty. Found soft snow all the way down. 3" The main grassy areas are the place to ski.
Heard from many folks that rode main chute. One Betty said that the entrance was terrifying. But after that the turns were good to go.
The rock garden below is real and I would not mess with it. Saw a snowboarder take a horrendous fall in rocks and boulders. Would not recommend.
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Hey kind folk (i just know you'll be kind) I'm much more familiar with Colorado as a solo usually last minute storm chasing traveler; familiar with the nauseating mess of I-70, best way to avoid all that I find is a Monarch season pass, but ....
Will finally have a chance to ski with my grown sons, stay in SLC and ski Brighton, Soli, Snowbird (yep, Ikon) planning ahead for some reason seems important to them. Ten years since I've skied BCC and LCC, mostly hitchhiked up from the Park and Rides then as I recall.
Question: mid season weekends how viable are the buses, do they usually fill and leave you standing at a stop watching a packed bus go by without you/? How early do they fill, first bus out? My strategy is to try to get to either Sandy station or Midvale/ft. union in time for for an early bus and NOT the park and ride lots, does that strategy help? I don't even want to fuck with driving up and parking a rental car.
Raising a glass (mug) to a 900in. season
Some good points made, but i do think more people will take advantage of the connection from PC than you think. And you are not saving any time driving over to Alta on a big powder weekend. And you better have reserved a parking spot before trying to navigate the Great Powder Migration up LCC.Quote:
Originally Posted by schindlerpiste
One of the ski coaches at snowbird told me the idea would be to winch great Scott as the start of DH, To men’s downhill to to chips face to lower chips. Could be total and utter bullshit. Also used to run SG in mineral?
just listened to the previously linked saltlakecitycast podcast. "ghost buses" was my take away, all in favor of paranormal activity but sounds like a dubious solution
It's not free but I used this last year once https://www.visitsaltlake.com/cottonwoodconnect/Quote:
Originally Posted by daviski
It allows you to make a reservation for guaranteed spots and was able to follow the UTA busses past traffic.
I think your plan to get on in the valley is sound. For best experience, try to be getting to canyon mouths before 7am. Relax, eat and stretch in the lodges. I drive but have come to really appreciate this routine. I don't know if I would recommend bussing up on a major storm day in lcc with a delayed road closure and potential for closures later, getting down on the bus can be the real problem now. No road closure, leave by 2 or wait until 6.
Stoke share...
Went to the Black, everything it said it would be Steep Scary Sustained... cant wait to go back... the end...
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Bitch Ticket Score:
- Stoke: 1
- Bitch: 1
- Net: 0
not sure if stoke from outside utah gives 100% credit tho.
looks sick otherwise! :)
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Originally Posted by D-Roc
sick adventures this fall! xd
On local note>get up and get some...shin deep pow above mid station today, and fun skiing all way down. Alot need more coverage so play safe ya'll ;)
Come on up party people!
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...4-A-TRG-SUMMIT!
I've found similar info in other places. Don't exactly get the logistics of why getting the bus back down is so much worse than the bus up. BTW we will probably do Brighton and Soli on the actual weekends, but it sounds like BCC and LCC can be equally horrendous.Quote:
Originally Posted by crankplank
Will def be checking the Cottonwood Connect as well, their website isn't fully up yet
Careful, your walking the line of a bitch ticket... consider this a verbalQuote:
Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1
You will have to go elbows out on 13 year olds and entire families desperately fighting for one of the seats on the bus after standing in a crowd of 100 people. Some of those people already missed the last bus and are losing their manners REAL fast. At this point in the day, you are sweaty AND cold, tired and extremely hungry, you have to triage food/water - bathroom - just getting home, and everyone else is in the same boat. The giddy excitement of getting up there to SHRED POW in the morning is gone. If you are leaving at the same time as everyone else (between 2 and 4), the red snake has reformed and you, lucky enough to get on the bus, have to stand on it for the next 1-2 hours. No toilets on the bus. You have to plead in front of all the people on it to get the doors open so you can pee on the side of the road- IF traffic is actually fully stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviski
Its the same as showing up at a park and ride at 8 AM, just with a load of other worsening factors. A lot of it could be alleviated with better headways- it took me an hour to get on a bus down from solitude on a sunny sunday last year. There isnt a Ft union station hack for the descent. Hitchhiking down is an alternative as well. If I were only here for a couple days and with others I would 100% shell out for one of the shuttles.
Please dont construe this as bitching- its just what its like. Im actually stoked- going to the boner zone tomorrow to embarrass my aging, helmeted kook ass in front of the cool kids. Pass pickup at the bird after. I have refrained from putting on my whole kit in the family room so far but I dont think i can hold out much longer.
thanks crankplank! solid info., glad your season is about to commence
no i think cranks post is very valid and a reality of taking the bus that should be known to the niave traveler. Heard a similar situation from friends. Take the bus up trying to do the right thing and get absolutely burnt on the way down and that's how you never take the bus again.
Our son, John Collinson, made a movie with support from his sponsors last year.
Honored that so much respect is shown in it for his mother and I.
Premiering at the Rose Wagner Theatre downtown this Sunday Nov. 12th at 6 pm.
Info in his instagram bio.
Collinson clan will be there, hope to see some mags as well...
The "why would I use the interconnect to get to Snowbird from PC" really misses the point. The concept is more dimensional than just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
Hop on board the Nabs train and you're gonna get scared :DQuote:
Originally Posted by D-Roc
Heard about your trip, props on actually wanting to go back. Nate and his buddies are Black Canyon fiends and they're not fucking around down there.
I'll be out of town but I'll catch online at some point - congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
fully expected the cash grab to start this year but I have to give sb a little credit in actively trying other solutions to help with parking and see how it goes.
Love adding content to your Wasatch PARKING stoke thread, tgapp :)
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Meh, I had far less complaints about parking than I had about overall crowding of the mountain. So apparently the fix is to get more people to the mountain and make more parking available. Yeah.
The Trappers Loop to Snowbasin turn off is a serious issue.
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