You mean like Tree of Life or a police officer going rogue and killing a bunch of Jewish tourists like in Egypt today?Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
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You mean like Tree of Life or a police officer going rogue and killing a bunch of Jewish tourists like in Egypt today?Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
Tree of Life was an individual. Don’t see how that in anyway compares to the organized terror attacks that happened yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
Edit: And the response was to the question of partisan mindset in the US.
You need me to acknowledge that there’s anti-semitism in the US and around the world, and that hate crimes are committed based on that anti-semitism? Yep, I’m very aware.
Walking back nothing. A settlement is a military object of violence, just as a tank. It's in fact worse, as the tank typically moves away after some time. Similarly a settler - soldier comparison applies. The prison that is Gaza is also an act of violence. Israel's two-tier citizenship is an act of violence. Just because we don't usually see a bunch people dramatically killed at once neither lessens the violence nor its scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
I condemn all the violence.
We need to send reinforcements to that air base in Iraq.
Seems blame is landing where it belongs, Iran.
I don't think Israel suffers any existential threat. They are the region's dominant military force. Their neighbors know it. This isn't the height of the Cold War with well-armed soviet client states. I bet on Israel in any conflict from the Persian Gulf to North Africa and don't think any country comes close.
I'm unconvinced that the best way forward includes supporting a warlike corrupt autocrat (Netanyahu), and the US and Israel would both be well served if US support for settlement and occupation was less than unwavering. Start ripping up settlements, returning farmland (and water rights), establishing an economy, extending suffrage, etc., and maybe I'll believe Israel is interested in peace. Their current policies are violent and discriminatory, wrapped in fluffy administrative bullshit. More Americans, and Israelis, ought to see through the bullshit.
I fully expect a very violent reaction that will inspire the next visible outbreak of violence. And the fluffy administrative violence will continue unabated.
What about the American hostages, the American dead?
Give a corrupt, Hamas land? You think they’ll do right with it? They will NEVER be satisfied with your crumbs.
Cono is now saying you can’t negotiate with violent terrorist states. And giving them a little land won’t appease them.
cause these particular terrorists are not currently threatening his upcoming daddy daughter dance..
but thats different! Because they have a different religion! HA!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
Giving land, and taking land back are two different things retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
Which country is the "unmovable neighbor"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
In your example, Israel for Lebanon. Apply it wherever needed at any date past or present and it still works though.
250 killed at that rav, they say. Well planned out, paragliders etc. pure sinister. What a security fuck up.
Foreigners too.
“Giving land, and taking land back are two different things retard.”
ahh, there’s the coño we know… advanced, not retarded.
please. do elaborate on these differences for those of us with limited capacities…
Islam has no valid claim on Jerusalem as the sacred ‘lifting place’ of Mohammed’s night ride.
When the Koran was written in 624 the furthest temple at the time was Medina . By 715 the Islam empire had expanded to include Jerusalem , so they changed the story to fit their needs .
Jerusalem today is a political trading chip ( as islam has literally traded it away 6 times n the last 1400 years . )
In short Israel is a grain of sand surrounded by a vast sea of hatred as the mainstream media aligns with the efforts of islam to sow discontent in the masses as they gaslight the Israelites as the bad guys .
Gangrape, beheading prisoners, executing the elderly in the middle of the street only bad sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
IDF estimated 1,000 terrorists and there’s a fair few of them dead now. Not sure the US has an internal foe with that dedication, yet.
- 465 fatalities in Gaza since airstrikes began, according to Gaza authorities.
- Picture within Israel is "dire"
- Fighting still ongoing in southern Israel
- Approximately 1000 terrorists entered from Gaza
- 700 confirmed deaths, 2100 wounded "high number of critically wounded"
- Hamas, Islamic Jihad: We hold 130 Israelis captive in Gaza
- Heavy rocket barrage targets central, southern Israel
IDF says:
- Hamas will not be able to govern the Gaza Strip
- "The situation today is fundamentally different to two days ago"
- Currently focused on burying the dead
- "In for a long, difficult, gruesome task"
- There's video of a Hamas terrorist beheading an already dying Israeli civilian with a garden hoe
- At least 260 bodies were removed from music festival that came under Hamas attack. They seized dozens of women, raped and tortured them, then executed many and took others to Gaza. Eyewitness account of the rave massacre:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/n...itness-account
- Support for Israel is no longer taboo in Arab world:
- “I am a Kuwaiti and I stand by Israel,” journalist Jasem Aljuraid wrote. "My solidarity is with the Palestinian and the Israeli people. We want to uproot Hamas and the PLO..These people have lost the ability to manage the interests of the Palestinians. Poverty is rife there, and their leaders have assets valued in the billions.” https://twitter.com/JJRefugee
- Iranian fans across the stadium at a soccer match chanted: “Take that Palestinian flag and shove it up your ass!”
- "For the longest time, I struggled with my identity. A Palestinian kid born inside Israel. Like…wtf. Many of my friends refuse to this day to say the word “Israel” and call themselves “Palestinian” only. Palestine should exist too as an independent state. And I hope to see the country thrive and become less extreme and more prosperous. I love Palestine and have invested in Palestine.But it’s not my home.So from today forward,
I view myself as an “Israeli-Palestinian”. Israeli first. Palestinian second." https://twitter.com/nasdaily/status/1711146561487425961
Haaretz Blames Netanyah: “The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu.”
“The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians.”
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/edit...f-6bfd1c880000
Good breakdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Reports of Farsi being spoken too.
Seriously, I wish I hadn’t watched these videos. It’s so disturbing to think of those girls and that rav. Damn the internet.
I seriously doubt, that in 2 weeks, the worlds resolve will be the same, it’s going to test many, especially our own govt,
Good thing for the world your track record of predicting foreign affairs developments is around 0%
“As the conflict stretched into day two, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced Sunday that the U.S. military is moving an aircraft carrier strike group and military aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support and that it will also supply Israel with munitions and other military supplies as soon as possible.
Sen.Tommy Tuberville has in place a months long blockade on at least 300 military nominees, including top officers who would command forces in the Middle East. He said his effort is in protest of the Defense Department policy that gives time off and reimbursements for service members and their family members seeking abortions out of state.”
JFC - Get your backwards thinking the fuck out of the way
Surely more munitions will produce peace. Bomb a few more buildings in Gaza or a few hundred. Blow up a bunch of families. How many fathers and daughters do we kill to make peace? How many homes do we flatten? How many businesses? This is an evil path. This is the recruitment drive for the next terror attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
Cono is always good for an n+1Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
Nice. Thanks for the clarity. You are right! You don’t reject violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
You picked a side and relabeled the other side’s civilians as actual valid primary military targets, as you put it. Valid attacks are therefore not violence in your mind. Hitler and Putin would be proud of your moral flexibility.
Think that is hyperbole? Let’s examine your justification.
You call children, civilians, primary targets because of where they live and what they are: Jews where you don't want them. Valid to exterminate in your mind; that is not violence to you.
That makes you a bigoted terrorist sympathizer who would aid and abet mass murder and ethnic cleansing. Another word for that is genocide. Your words support and give comfort to enemies of civilized humanity. You are literally no different than a Nazi sympathizer. The Nazis were also good at dressing up cold blooded murder as necessity and wrapping it with smug moralism.
People like you deserve to have their bullshit called out. You are worse than Rod.
I’ve met your kind before. I went to school with a guy who spouted how the victims who died on September 11th in New York were valid military targets because they were agents of the capitalist system victimizing the Islamist world that Osama Bin Laden was fighting for. Tourists? Contributing. Fire fighters and paramedics crushed by the collapse? They were there to save the engines and crew of the capitalist ship. All valid targets to be murdered. Children on the hijacked airliners? They were gonna grow up to be enemies. He also thought it would be just fine if the Israel was destroyed and the Jews pushed into the sea, which is the stated goal of Hamas. (Since someone will ask, he was a from a well-to-do WASP family and claimed to be a neo-Marxist which made little sense).
Fuck him.
Fuck the monsters who went door to door executing and kidnapping, torturing and raping the young, old, and defenseless.
And fuck you.
Back in 2014 the Israel plan to reoccupy Gaza was leaked, 5 years, 100s of Israeli soldiers dead, 1000s of Palistinan civilians not counting Hamas (20k). I’d suggest taking the over on those now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
Oslo 1 was supposed to be done 25 years ago, that didn’t work. The current status of Gaza doesn’t work - for Palestinians or Israelis (ISF estimate is now 1000 Israeli dead) We got here because Bibi kept kicking the can. It’s be nice if there weren’t a shitty choice, but that’s not where we are.
Summit seems to be enraged?
You can codemn fucked up Terrorists and still don't think settlements by religious Zionist zealots in the westbank were a good idea.
Same as thinking that you can codemn 9/11 and think that giving the mudschaheddin stinger rockets and Promote radical Islam in the 80s was a bad idea. Or invading Irak.
And btw. Europe gets the refugees.... like always. Thanks a lot religious nut Jobs and hardliners of the World.
You're not wrong. However, Israel must never give up the Golan heights. I fully support their occupation of that. They need it strategically both for the water and militarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
More like disgusted by the fairly blatant justification of terrorism based on race/religion while falsely claiming to reject violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
It is exactly what Rod does in the Ukraine thread. He implicitly justifies Russian aggression while saying he just wants peace.
When Rod and Percy justifies Ukrainian genocide nobody raises an eyebrow at the justified response of calling them on their BS and or just saying "Fuck Putin and fuck you!"
Sure!Quote:
You can codemn fucked up Terrorists and still don't think settlements by religious Zionist zealots in the westbank were a good idea.
Saying they aren't a good idea (we agree) is different than saying that children are soldiers because they happen to be the wrong religion or color vs where they are living.
That is exactly what LSL is saying when he says settlers are equivalent to soldiers and their very existence in their homes justifies their destruction as a valid military target. That is revolting and deserved the callout.
Remember, he also blames these Israelis for their own deaths, rapes, and kidnappings. Dunno why he would get a pass on that BS.
strong shout out to my friends on social media.
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So, a century or two ago, America had an Indian Problem. We kept making peace with them, making treaties, and giving them (marginal) land to live on. They thanked us by semi-regularly raiding our settlements, kidnapping our women. etc. We'd send the US Army to pacify things, and all was well again.
Now, with the lens of history, most people call our actions unjust. Many also label it a genocide. If US actions are too emotionally close, condemn Canada, or Mexico, or any European nation for their colonial crimes.
When are we going to stop?
who is we? if you ask the terrorists whose charter is about the destruction of Israel and who just murdered a few hundred kids at a rave, never.
there can progress without apologizing for these people, you should try it.
True. But i don't get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
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To point out that Palestinians are subjected to a lot of violence is not the same things as condoning or forgiving terrorist attacks.
Maybe the violence is necessary to maintain the existence of Israel, and is completely justifiable. I don’t think that’s an invalid argument to make. But there is a lot of violence, and the casualties are very disproportionate:
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to me it reads like you are derailing a thread about a gruesome massacre that just occurred with a whattaboutism.
when you see the huge spikes in fatalities on the years their leadership has decided to attack Israel, do they not share blame for the violence?
shouldn’t the state actors that have been acknowledged by hamas do the same?
unfortunately the political leadership decided that civilian deaths are “useful” for marketing and future recruiting.
i grieve for all innocent loss of life including Palestinian, Israeli-Arab, etc.
Fuck these terrorists and this resistance / victim narrative, the cycle must be broken.
I am pointing out that it’s a fucking disastrous situation with no hope in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
Well, it's all of us, isn't it? We're all human. Our actions, good or evil, are human. Sometimes (always?) morality isn't so clear, or in time we come to understand our actions differently. It's complicated. Hard to write about as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
There's a cycle of violence in Israel/Palestine, that would be nice to stop or slow. I bring the issue of violence now, when emotions are too raw, and reason is difficult. Hamas' action is evil, and the IDF is also capable of terror. It's now that we should try to check that terror, certainly not enable it or blindly support it. It's already bad and getting worse.
There's a million kids living in Gaza, protected by the IDF, getting their homes and playgrounds bombed by the same IDF. Their parents are scared. The kids are terrified. Those kids aren't Hamas. They aren't terrorists. About a million of their parents aren't either. They don't deserve this.
Hamas' action was evil. The perpetrators must be sought. Israel's response is surely justified. The response is honorable and one day will be rightly celebrated with flags and feasts and parades. But there's no heroes and no absolute good. Just humans.
We can hold several valid and good thoughts. We can recognize the contradictions and evil bits among the same. Leave aside the rage and absolutism. Let's try to limit the evil.
That girl that was shown being kidnapped and taken away on a motorcycle was burned to death. The video was released a little while ago :cussing:
Fuck you LSL, those parents are enablers as is every other person old enough to know what's going on in that140 sq mile shit hole. Anybody that gives a shit should've left long ago, the ones that didn't, the ones that accept what's happening around them and try to make the best of it are all enablers, they let it happen. They'll let it happen again too. Fuck them.
Where exactly are they supposed to go?
If they wanted to they could have just walked across the border into Israel. There was a fair amount of cross border traffic, regular people living their lives, going to work, going to dinner, etc. The ones that didn't believe and weren't supporters could've left.